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Post by charlesuirdhein on May 27, 2017 15:28:51 GMT
I've watched the first three and while it is mysterious and visually stunning, it lacks the charm and character of Twin Peaks and the soundtrack is so bland as to be nonexistent. It just isn't fun to watch. And the amount of gratuitous gore is just un-necessary, American Gods is kindergarten stuff in comparison. So far so sad. Hope it gets better. You appear to be in a minority but to each their own. It very much takes FWWM as its template and moves on from there I feel.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 15:54:02 GMT
Really you need to know all of the show, the movie and the Missing Pieces to get it I finished my rewatch on the day the show came back I actually watched a fan edit of Fire Walk With Me...what someone had done was to take the original script of the film and used that as their guide to edit all of the Missing Pieces scenes into the film, where they were originally placed. It's called the 'Q2 edit', and I would highly recommend it. Much as I loved the original series, I thought the original/theatrical cut of FWWM was kind of garbage. This 'Q2 edit' is an absolute revelation, a completely different film--and I adored it every bit as much as I hated the original version. I highly, highly recommend it. Caveat: Of course, as with all fan edits, it's not strictly legal, so I will say that YOU SHOULD OWN A PURCHASED VERSION OF THE BLU SET THAT INCLUDES THE ORIGINAL FILM + THE MISSING PIECES before downloading. As much as that sounds intriguing, I've always loved FWWM just how it is so it never needed "fixing" for me. I'm with Mark Kermode and Kim Newman who both considered it one of the best films of the 90s. It was pure Lynch in a way that he couldn't be on network TV. I love a lot of The Missing Pieces and there is material I would have kept in it - especially the scene with the Palmers learning Norwegian and laughing together and the extended Bowie scene - but most of it seemed cut for good reasons. The tone of quite a few scenes with the TP regulars just wouldn't have worked with the fatalism of FWWM. I think it's maybe Lynch's most emotional film outside of maybe The Elephant Man. And hey,if nothing else, having that cut material meant The Missing Pieces gave us almost a whole new Twin Peaks movie 3 years before the new series. After reading about the cut scenes for years and years, to finally get to see them was a total thrill. Anyone who doesn't have that boxset.....you're missing out on some AMAZING Twin Peaks you won't see elsewhere. As to the above, I'm with Charles - this tone, this violence...it's pure, undiluted Lynch very much like FWWM. It's not jarring at all next to Episode 29 and the film for me. This is what the show would have been sooner if not for network censor limitations. Nothing in the new series has been as revolting as Agent Stanley ripping off Theresa Banks fingernail. I can't wait for Ep 5.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on May 28, 2017 4:55:42 GMT
I finished my rewatch on the day the show came back I actually watched a fan edit of Fire Walk With Me...what someone had done was to take the original script of the film and used that as their guide to edit all of the Missing Pieces scenes into the film, where they were originally placed. It's called the 'Q2 edit', and I would highly recommend it. Much as I loved the original series, I thought the original/theatrical cut of FWWM was kind of garbage. This 'Q2 edit' is an absolute revelation, a completely different film--and I adored it every bit as much as I hated the original version. I highly, highly recommend it. Caveat: Of course, as with all fan edits, it's not strictly legal, so I will say that YOU SHOULD OWN A PURCHASED VERSION OF THE BLU SET THAT INCLUDES THE ORIGINAL FILM + THE MISSING PIECES before downloading. As much as that sounds intriguing, I've always loved FWWM just how it is so it never needed "fixing" for me. I'm with Mark Kermode and Kim Newman who both considered it one of the best films of the 90s. It was pure Lynch in a way that he couldn't be on network TV. I love a lot of The Missing Pieces and there is material I would have kept in it - especially the scene with the Palmers learning Norwegian and laughing together and the extended Bowie scene - but most of it seemed cut for good reasons. The tone of quite a few scenes with the TP regulars just wouldn't have worked with the fatalism of FWWM. I think it's maybe Lynch's most emotional film outside of maybe The Elephant Man. And hey,if nothing else, having that cut material meant The Missing Pieces gave us almost a whole new Twin Peaks movie 3 years before the new series. After reading about the cut scenes for years and years, to finally get to see them was a total thrill. Anyone who doesn't have that boxset.....you're missing out on some AMAZING Twin Peaks you won't see elsewhere. As to the above, I'm with Charles - this tone, this violence...it's pure, undiluted Lynch very much like FWWM. It's not jarring at all next to Episode 29 and the film for me. This is what the show would have been sooner if not for network censor limitations. Nothing in the new series has been as revolting as Agent Stanley ripping off Theresa Banks fingernail. I can't wait for Ep 5. Me neither! That said, I LOVE FWWM (I remember being one of only two people in the cinema who saw it on the night I went. It didn't stay long). And I bought the Bluray set with the Missing Pieces and loved them too...then I hunted down the Q2 edit and watched that, and it too is worth a look! Though finding it now might be hard.
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Post by agentten on May 30, 2017 1:12:28 GMT
Viewing episodes 3 & 4 tonight confirmed a lot of things I'd been thinking about the revival since last week's first two episodes.
This is Twin Peaks being unpacked again after many years put away. The opening scenes of the first episode depict a lot of packing boxes and shovels, sometimes prominent in the scene and sometimes in the background, but it's all there. Lynch & Frost are slowing pulling the pieces out of storage (or digging them up if you prefer) and laying them all out. It takes time to set up all the pieces again, because as Bob/Cooper puts it, there's a game beginning. The lack of music in the first episode struck me, as it did brians, and given that Twin Peaks is really known for its unique music I thought it was an artistic choice worth paying attention to so I've been listening carefully. As the show progresses, and more and more is unpacked, the show is beginning to feel and sound more and more like Twin Peaks. Each episode has layered on more music, starting with a big dose of it at the end of the second episode, and major musical cues such as Laura Palmer's theme coming back in big ways by episodes three and four. At the same time this musical resurgence is happening, the town itself seems to be waking back up. Classic characters are being reintroduced and the show's humor has made a major return, too. I think all of this is a mirror for what's happening with Cooper. His return to the real world coincides with our return to Twin Peaks. Cooper has been locked away for just as long as the show has been and as he makes his way back to the world, we make our way back to the heart of Twin Peaks, a little at a time, in music, and laughter, and weirdness.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 5:40:36 GMT
Viewing episodes 3 & 4 tonight confirmed a lot of things I'd been thinking about the revival since last week's first two episodes. This is Twin Peaks being unpacked again after many years put away. The opening scenes of the first episode depict a lot of packing boxes and shovels, sometimes prominent in the scene and sometimes in the background, but it's all there. Lynch & Frost are slowing pulling the pieces out of storage (or digging them up if you prefer) and laying them all out. It takes time to set up all the pieces again, because as Bob/Cooper puts it, there's a game beginning. The lack of music in the first episode struck me, as it did brians, and given that Twin Peaks is really known for its unique music I thought it was an artistic choice worth paying attention to so I've been listening carefully. As the show progresses, and more and more is unpacked, the show is beginning to feel and sound more and more like Twin Peaks. Each episode has layered on more music, starting with a big dose of it at the end of the second episode, and major musical cues such as Laura Palmer's theme coming back in big ways by episodes three and four. At the same time this musical resurgence is happening, the town itself seems to be waking back up. Classic characters are being reintroduced and the show's humor has made a major return, too. I think all of this is a mirror for what's happening with Cooper. His return to the real world coincides with our return to Twin Peaks. Cooper has been locked away for just as long as the show has been and as he makes his way back to the world, we make our way back to the heart of Twin Peaks, a little at a time, in music, and laughter, and weirdness. You're right. I noticed this as I watched episode 4. And I think the series is improving with each episode. I still think the opener is overly indulgent Lynch, taking too long to establish too many threads from the get-go. But it's warming up nicely.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 17:39:42 GMT
"Mr.Jackpots" HELLOOOOO-oooo-OOOOOOOOO
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Post by lurkerintheshadows on May 30, 2017 18:02:54 GMT
Rewatching episodes 1 to 4 this week - probably not for the last time - and picking up on things that washed over me the first time round. Mr C sharing Coop's fondness of a Dictaphone. The selection of books on Ruth Davenport's bookshelves. Ruth herself - what we saw of her - reminded me of Nadine Hurley - red hair, eye shot out. Another 'facial' similarity between the evolution of the arm and the thing in the box. Mr C's mention of Phyllis's grasp of 'human' nature, as if she's not quite what she seems.
I've no idea if any of these things mean anything or will lead anywhere, but I suspect - like FWWM when it came out on video - I'll be watching and rewatching these episodes when the series is complete and looking for clues and meanings all over the place.
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Post by agentten on May 30, 2017 19:24:05 GMT
Rewatching episodes 1 to 4 this week - probably not for the last time - and picking up on things that washed over me the first time round. Mr C sharing Coop's fondness of a Dictaphone. The selection of books on Ruth Davenport's bookshelves. Ruth herself - what we saw of her - reminded me of Nadine Hurley - red hair, eye shot out. Another 'facial' similarity between the evolution of the arm and the thing in the box. Mr C's mention of Phyllis's grasp of 'human' nature, as if she's not quite what she seems. I've no idea if any of these things mean anything or will lead anywhere, but I suspect - like FWWM when it came out on video - I'll be watching and rewatching these episodes when the series is complete and looking for clues and meanings all over the place. The strange visual effect when Phyllis is shot is interesting, too. It reminded me of the effect in the first scene of episode one where Cooper disappears. Also, Ruth Davenport and Phyllis Hastings have similar wounds to the eye.
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Post by lurkerintheshadows on May 30, 2017 19:43:49 GMT
Rewatching episodes 1 to 4 this week - probably not for the last time - and picking up on things that washed over me the first time round. Mr C sharing Coop's fondness of a Dictaphone. The selection of books on Ruth Davenport's bookshelves. Ruth herself - what we saw of her - reminded me of Nadine Hurley - red hair, eye shot out. Another 'facial' similarity between the evolution of the arm and the thing in the box. Mr C's mention of Phyllis's grasp of 'human' nature, as if she's not quite what she seems. I've no idea if any of these things mean anything or will lead anywhere, but I suspect - like FWWM when it came out on video - I'll be watching and rewatching these episodes when the series is complete and looking for clues and meanings all over the place. The strange visual effect when Phyllis is shot is interesting, too. It reminded me of the effect in the first scene of episode one where Cooper disappears. It also reminded me of Phillip Jeffries' staircase materialisation in the Missing Pieces scenes from FWWM. I wonder if Mr C is somehow smuggling inhabitants of the Black Lodge across into our world for some purpose of his own. The other thing I noticed was that the Rancho Rosa sign had the two 'R's circled together. A 'Double R Diner' reference? A visual clue that might help lead Cooper back to Twin Peaks?
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Post by agentten on May 30, 2017 22:13:06 GMT
"Mr.Jackpots" HELLOOOOO-oooo-OOOOOOOOO This has been a non stop meme at my workplace. It's causing a bit of a work-stoppage because it's cracking us all up.
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Post by melkur on May 31, 2017 13:46:09 GMT
I watched episode 4 last night and have to say that, whilst I did enjoy it enough, I did struggle with it at points...
Why do I get the feeling that Michael Cera isn't going to make it through to the final episode?...
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Post by charlesuirdhein on May 31, 2017 14:07:33 GMT
I watched episode 4 last night and have to say that, whilst I did enjoy it enough, I did struggle with it at points... Why do I get the feeling that Michael Cera isn't going to make it through to the final episode?... I'd be surprised if he reappears at all, frankly.
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Post by melkur on May 31, 2017 14:43:14 GMT
I watched episode 4 last night and have to say that, whilst I did enjoy it enough, I did struggle with it at points... Why do I get the feeling that Michael Cera isn't going to make it through to the final episode?... I'd be surprised if he reappears at all, frankly. Same here, to be honest. He seemed rather... Sedate...
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 17:55:43 GMT
I loved Cera. He was so....Lynchian. When he said "That's a lovely turn of phrase" to Robert Forster...I lost it. Though Arrested Development and Twin Peaks are two of my all time fave things so having George Michael Bluth in TP is a real treat.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 18:06:49 GMT
I watched episode 4 last night and have to say that, whilst I did enjoy it enough, I did struggle with it at points... Why do I get the feeling that Michael Cera isn't going to make it through to the final episode?... I'd be surprised if he reappears at all, frankly. Oh I think he'll be back. He was so delightfully surreal he actually managed to make his parents seem normal.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 19:45:54 GMT
If Andy is indeed his dad - could be Dick Tremayne ("Mens Fashions, Horne Departmen Store") I guess.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 21:01:05 GMT
If Andy is indeed his dad - could be Dick Tremayne ("Mens Fashions, Horne Departmen Store") I guess. He does have more of a look of Dick than of Andy.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 1, 2017 7:21:22 GMT
If Andy is indeed his dad - could be Dick Tremayne ("Mens Fashions, Horne Departmen Store") I guess. He does have more of a look of Dick than of Andy. Perhaps, but in the sense of nurture vs nature then he is very much Andy's kid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 11:42:32 GMT
I'm not sure...he's a quite literate young guy with wanderlust who seems to have something a bit deeper under the surface hence the knowing smirk all the time, not terribly much like Andy at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 18:53:47 GMT
Ep 5...wow. This really is more the Lynch of Mulholland Drive than the original Twin Peaks. So beautifully ornate in pace, so surreal and unapologetic in tone shifts. As quiet as Ozu one moment then as violent as Peckinpah the next.
I'm so in love.
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