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Post by agentten on Jul 22, 2017 7:05:01 GMT
It's pretty certain Richard is Audrey's son at this point. The only other outside chance is he could be Donna's son, but I doubt he'd call Sylvia grandma if that were the case. The theory running around about who might be Richard's father is disturbing as hell and I haven't been able to get any sense of whether the show will pull that trigger or not.
The episode in question was highly disturbing. I got a lot of Blue Velvet vibes from the depiction of evil in episode 10.
It looks like there is quite a bit surrounding Dougie, Mister C. and the opening of the Black Lodge in a few days time that is all about to start coming together in increasingly dramatic and meaningful ways.
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Post by Digi on Jul 30, 2017 2:09:44 GMT
Another thing I didn't notice till tooling around on the Wikia just now... Shelly's boyfriend, who we saw in last weekend's episode, has appeared twice before. In the first episode, he was the guy in the Roadhouse across the bar who playfully 'fired' a finger gun at Shelly. He was also the guy who was selling coke to Richard, in the episode where Richard ran over that kid.
God I need to watch this show all in one go.
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Post by melkur on Jul 30, 2017 23:50:23 GMT
Another thing I didn't notice till tooling around on the Wikia just now... Shelly's boyfriend, who we saw in last weekend's episode, has appeared twice before. In the first episode, he was the guy in the Roadhouse across the bar who playfully 'fired' a finger gun at Shelly. He was also the guy who was selling coke to Richard, in the episode where Richard ran over that kid. God I need to watch this show all in one go. I think the whole 'binge watch' thing is the main reason that I haven't watched it for a few weeks now... I'm liking it, of course I am, but without the whole thing I don't know if my heart's really in it at the moment...
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Jul 31, 2017 15:54:56 GMT
Another thing I didn't notice till tooling around on the Wikia just now... Shelly's boyfriend, who we saw in last weekend's episode, has appeared twice before. In the first episode, he was the guy in the Roadhouse across the bar who playfully 'fired' a finger gun at Shelly. He was also the guy who was selling coke to Richard, in the episode where Richard ran over that kid. God I need to watch this show all in one go. I think the whole 'binge watch' thing is the main reason that I haven't watched it for a few weeks now... I'm liking it, of course I am, but without the whole thing I don't know if my heart's really in it at the moment... I'll see you in 25 hours... meanwhile... Actually it'd be at least 14 hours of content, without taking food or toilet breaks into account. That's the kinda binge watching that can alter your perception of time and space. So you have that to look forward to.
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Post by Digi on Aug 7, 2017 19:23:55 GMT
Speaking of time and space...
The last couple of weeks, I've been getting the distinct impression that the storylines are not all happening at the same time (a la Westworld). Certainly, the Evil Cooper and Gordon/Albert/Diane stories are running parallel since we've seen them intersect, but I'm no longer convinced that's the case with all the stories.
Good Cooper and the Vegas stories haven't, to my recollection, intersected with any of the other ongoing stories. The closest we've come is seeing Evil Cooper wreck his car when Good Cooper returned to our world. But as we saw in the very first episode back, when Good Cooper appeared in the glass box in NYC out of sequence of the rest of events, that doesn't necessarily mean he was retching that black crap up in real time concurrently with Good Cooper's return.
And then there's the stuff going on in Twin Peaks itself. A few episodes back we saw Bobby, Hawk, and the new Sheriff receive the 'event' note from Mrs Briggs. Since then we've been many day/night cycles in the Vegas storyline, but in last night's episode, Bobby tells him that they only just found the the note 'today.'
It could just be down to shoddy editing, but with a show so deliberately laid out, I find that a little hard to believe. Something's going on here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 20:01:20 GMT
I can honestly say that in a series that has completely confounded my expectations, hearing James Hurley reprise Just You And I was something I was not even remotely predicting for this run, even after some of the weirdness we've seen. Coop is getting a bit closer to his return, I think. I wonder if a taste of authentic Norma's cherry pie in one of the franchises mentioned this week will be a catalyst. Lovely to see Big Ed again. So sad that he couldn't get Norma in the end, just as Bobby lost Shelley. Seeing Everett sitting silently eating his soup was quite the contrast to the other musical-filled credits we've had this year. Hopefully get back on the Gordon/ALbert trail next week - we've only got 5 eps left to get Dale back.
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Post by agentten on Aug 9, 2017 0:19:17 GMT
These past two weeks, episodes 12 & 13, have been a real roller coaster. As davygallagher said, the show confounds expectations. I didn't know what to make of Audrey's introduction last week. It left me totally bewildered, and then this week the show gives us another Audrey scene that turns the entire scenario with her mysterious husband on its head. Great performances and some really nuanced and mysterious dialog. I'm very intrigued by Audrey's situation now. I'm currently working with the idea that Audrey never woke up after the bank explosion in season 2 and what we're seeing is her internal struggle to wake up while also being terrified of what she'll find when she does.
I'm on the fence about whether we're seeing things happening in a linear order or not. I think something weird is definitely building in Twin Peaks right now and I'm thinking the strange blips in time such as the sudden change in patrons at the RR earlier this season, or episode 13's strange moment with Big Ed's reflection in the final scene are symptoms of the Lodge getting ready to open.
The Sarah Palmer scenes these past two weeks have been a highlight of the season for me. Her scenes are so ominous. I'm finding them increasingly frightening. Sarah is clearly haunted and Lynch's portrayal of it is as frightening as any ghost story I've ever seen because the scenes are so subtle. The glimpses we're seeing into the Palmer house 25 years later are harrowing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 2:18:01 GMT
So if this series has been a map - and it has - then tonight's episode feels like the legend we need to start finding out where everything is. We now have a clear line between Dale and Gordon/Diane/Albert and a clear line between them and Twin Peaks. The "return" of the title is on. The Giant/Fireman is now enlisting Andy and Freddy to help (presumably) and it feels like we're now moving towards the end game. Oh, and when they announced Monica Belucci for the cast, I had visions that she'd be in a role like, say, Isabella Rosselini in Blue Velvet or even Jocelyn Chen in the old series....the idea that she not only plays herself,but Gordon Cole's spirit guide version of Monica Belucci who ....only in this show! Lovely to see FWWM incorporate so tightly into this. After so many mentions, cool to see Philip Jeffries again.
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Post by Digi on Aug 15, 2017 0:05:42 GMT
Jesus there is a lot to unpack from this episode....
But without doing so, I will say that it's really nice that this episode was dedicated to David Bowie.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 11:38:12 GMT
I cried outright tears twice this week,first in thinking Norma was turning down the finally free Ed then agreeing to marry him after all, but then especially Margaret's death. Knowing the actress died a few years ago, just after filming her scenes, was quite heartbreaking. Lynch and Frost certainly wrote for both performer and character.
Elsewhere...are we getting Coop back now with that shock? We've only got two eps left to go and things are going to have to get towards end game now. Fascinating glimpse into Philip Jeffries, even if the voiceover recast of Bowie was awful, the imagery was stunning. How wonderful that FWWM is as big an influence on this show...more so maybe...than the original series itself. I think Mr C really must be Richard's father, no real reason for him to take him with him otherwise.
I'm going to miss this all so much when it goes again but am already eagerly awaiting Frost's Final History to get even more insight into this wonderful and yet terrible place.
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Post by kimalysong on Aug 29, 2017 0:52:12 GMT
Finally....no more needs to be said!
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Post by Digi on Aug 29, 2017 1:36:19 GMT
I did actually laugh out loud when MIKE said "finally" So from what he had to say to Janey-E and Sonny Jim, it sounds like he doesn't expect to come back from this... :S There are so many spinning plates right now, I have no idea how they're going to wrap it up in just 2 more hours. Good and evil Coopers, MIKE and the seeds, the Giant/Fireman, the "evolution of the arm," Hawk/Andy/new Truman and the eyeless lady, whatever the hell Sarah Palmer is, whatever the hell is going on with Audrey at the very end of Sunday's episode, crazy Jerry Horne, this business with Ben Horne and Ashley Judd (and the ringing noise in the Great Northern), Gordon and Albert and Tammy....and I'm sure I'm forgetting things, too!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 19:41:03 GMT
I did actually laugh out loud when MIKE said "finally" So from what he had to say to Janey-E and Sonny Jim, it sounds like he doesn't expect to come back from this... :S I don't think that's the case - but he left his hair to Mike to "make another one" - i.e. another Cooper doppelganger this time from Good Coop rather than Mr C as Dougie was. So Dale thinks (or knows given his insight now having been one with the lodge for so long?) that the "new" Dougie who is created an goes back to Janey-E will be a better man. That's what I took from it at least. I'm all for plenty of loose ends, it'd be a shame for TP to "resolve" - Lynch could have done that twice and chose not to. I like the open endedness. We'll get more info in the Final dossier this winter. Everyone - and I mean EVERYONE - in work was raving about Game Of Throne's finale wheras there's me going "Yeah.....but Dale Cooper's back."
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Post by agentten on Aug 30, 2017 7:11:18 GMT
What a wild ride this has been! I can't believe we're down to the last two episodes. I love that I have no idea what will happen in the finale. There have been so many surprises and fake outs.
This week with episode 16 everyone in my household felt Cooper would wake up, but we weren't sure what to expect about Audrey waking up. It had seemed that last week when Dougie electrocuted himself, and Audrey began to choke Charlie, that a parallel was being set up and that these two characters who occupy specials places in the show would be waking up at the same time from whatever it was that had them sleepwalking for lack of a better term. Then this week comes along and Cooper wakes, back to his 100% full self and that meant I needed to be watching for Audrey to wake as well. Lynch had me on a roller coaster from the moment she appeared. When Audrey and Charlie appear in the Roadhouse I thought that the jig might be up and that they really were in the real world and I was a bit bummed, but then "Audrey's Dance" began and I was so on the edge of my seat, breathless with anticipation. And then *that* moment happened. A brilliant, brilliant cliffhanger. I love that with this show you can follow the clues and make your theory and then watch the next episode to test your theory. That's so engaging and fun and there was a lot of celebrating around this house that our family theory, that Audrey's reality is not what it seems, has a full head of steam now.
I love the way the show has been building. It started once it hit its third act and every episode since then has had so much delightful material. Spending all the of the time that we've gotten to spend with the new characters, and the thoughtful build up with the classic characters has done so much to enrich the final stretch of story we're on now. I'm so glad that Lynch got the budget and episode count that he needed to tell this story the way he wanted to because it's been remarkable to watch unfold each week. I still haven't even recovered from last week's double bill of intense emotion. Ed and Norma finally together was such a high, and then it was followed by the bittersweet final moments of The Log Lady. That was hard to take. Both of those scenes have hit me hard in each of the three viewings I've done of the episode so far and I don't think I was prepared for the joy of Cooper waking up, or for the mind whirling implications of Audrey waking up. These two waking up is also paired nicely with the gentle and loving farewell Cooper gives to Sonny Jim and the cold manipulation that Mr. C uses on his own son when he uses Richard to spring a deadly trap in his place. Yet another example of the show using doubling to show us something in a different light. In this case to show that the two Cooper's reactions to their sons could not be more different. Amazing stuff.
I don't want it to end, but I can't wait to see the ending.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 11:27:52 GMT
Wow. I'm thinking "What year is it?" is the new "How's Annie?" What a wonderful idea to end this with both eps back to back as Ep 17 is the more traditional, punch the air story (a bit like the original series) wheras Ep 18 is malevolent, brooding and difficult but a total treat for those of us open to the more obtuse storytelling (a bit like Fire Walk With Me). I'm reading some complaints about the lack of answers online this morning. I can only imagine those people have never seen Mulholland Drive or Inland Emprire. David Lynch never ties things up in a bow. You only get from his work what you're willing to bring. Mark Frost's role as someone who has devised such a rich but mysterious mythos musn't go unnoticed either. Coop and Diane...I think...have crossed over into a reality where Laura Palmer may have not existed but there's an echo of her (literally - as we heard her name just before the ending scream, figuratively in the form of Carrie). Diane/Linda leaving the note calling Coop "Richard" also goes back to the Giant's message. As to the owners of what should be the Palmer house being the Tremonds and the Chalfonts...oh man. This is rewarding the faithful and not the casual. We're 100% dealing with entities that can change reality. Remember when Donna when to visit Mrs Tremond and her grandson but when she returned later found someone else living there who had never heard of the Tremonds? To revisit that idea, that time, identity and location are in flux, it's very TP. A less brave show would have had Coop save Laura (as happened) but then have her reunite with her family (minus Bob) and live a happy long life. That's what Coop was trying to do but he failed. His much vaunted return and what has it achieved? We're not sure. Maybe Laura just HAS to die no matter what happens. It seemed no matter what version he was with she has to die with that blood curdling scream each time. I love the lack of resolution for some things. Anyone even wanting this to wrap up all the loose ends surely can't appreciate why the endings of the old show and the movie were so wonderful, because they left so much open to ponder but enough to still give an ending. Where's Audrey? Is Coop now trapped trying to rescure Laura for eternity? Is he on another plain? Was some (all?) of it a dream? Is Bob now dead and if so is Jao-De even worse? What can Philip Jeffries do now? Does that version of Twin Peaks we've known since the pilot even exist now? I cannot wait until The Final Dossier in a few months. I expect few answers but hopefully even more questions.
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Post by cschell on Sept 4, 2017 15:07:18 GMT
"Find Laura"
Cooper, Laura and others are trapped in the lodge, in a timeless forever. It's boring. How do they pass the time? "Find Laura".
The entire season was just a story, whispered by Laura into Coopers ear, before she gets sucked up into the ceiling. (the final credits roll over Laura whispering into Coop's ear, we're seeing the end of her story.)
After that story was told (she somehow communicates all that in seemingly just a few seconds) she gets sucked into the next playtime story.
Leland says "find Laura" in the new delusion. This game of cosmic hide and seek will help to pass eternity, playing in a new dream. "You don't know what it will be like."
Mike takes Cooper to the Arm in a repeat of the lead up to the last story. This time the story the Arm will tell is "The Little Girl at the End of the Lane", with everyone playing new parts like a new season of American Horror Story. (And Audrey may already be playing this version of the eternity-passing game, but I'm not sure how she ended up in the lodge).
Cooper is suffering because he hasn't taken on his new role, Richard. He's still trying to be Cooper, and is doing it BADLY. Diane knows she has to be Linda from now on and has happily forgotten Cooper. (Especially after she is unable to get MrC's face out of her mind, when she is with Coop, she is only reminded of being raped.)
I would bet money that Linda is wearing a green wig.
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Post by agentten on Apr 9, 2020 23:43:16 GMT
Slightly off topic: The original RR Diner filming location, Tweed's Diner in Washington State, is struggling to stay afloat during the COVID-19 outbreak. They have a GoFundMe campaign going right now to help pay their employees during very limited business hours. Having been there before, it's truly a wonderful and strange experience, like walking right into the world of Twin Peaks. It was restored by the production team for season three and retrains its look and feel as a kind of time capsule of the show and a mecca for fans. I ate cherry pie and drank coffee at the counter and the people who served me couldn't have been nicer. Here's a link to the GoFundMe if anyone is interested in supporting them: www.gofundme.com/f/twede039s-cafe-employee-relief-fund
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