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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 4:14:35 GMT
Do fans know what they want?
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Post by omega on Jul 28, 2017 5:35:13 GMT
I think fans know what they want to see and hear, but whether that is the same of other fans and the creators will always vary. I think the best approach is like art. You don't know art, but you know what you like.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 5:35:23 GMT
Yes.
Would they be happy if they got it?
No.
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Post by omega on Jul 28, 2017 5:39:00 GMT
Yes. Would they be happy if they got it? No. So satisfaction is an illusion? That what you want creates unreasonable and unsatisfiable expectation? In that case, it's best to have a broad idea of what you want but be understanding that it might not happen exactly as you desire it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 6:03:09 GMT
Yes. Would they be happy if they got it? No. So satisfaction is an illusion? That what you want creates unreasonable and unsatisfiable expectation? In that case, it's best to have a broad idea of what you want but be understanding that it might not happen exactly as you desire it. That's a far more eloquent way of putting it, yes. I thinks fans are better off being open to what might happen and then decide retrosoectively whether it was good or not. Expectations in fandom will generally create one of two things. Discordance when what they get is adamantly not what they wanted (see most of the Moffat era - and that isn't Moffat bashing, because he does it deliberately) or ennui. If we get what we want in something we become complacent, take it for granted and start to pick holes in it and tear it down rather than celebrating. |
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Post by omega on Jul 28, 2017 6:43:50 GMT
So satisfaction is an illusion? That what you want creates unreasonable and unsatisfiable expectation? In that case, it's best to have a broad idea of what you want but be understanding that it might not happen exactly as you desire it. That's a far more eloquent way of putting it, yes. I thinks fans are better off being open to what might happen and then decide retrosoectively whether it was good or not. Expectations in fandom will generally create one of two things. Discordance when what they get is adamantly not what they wanted (see most of the Moffat era - and that isn't Moffat bashing, because he does it deliberately) or ennui. If we get what we want in something we become complacent, take it for granted and start to pick holes in it and tear it down rather than celebrating. It's always best to be open to the unexpected. Our preferences change from new things being introduced. A new kind of food, meeting someone for the first time, catching a show while channel surfing. People who refuse to admit change into their lives risk become stale. It's perfectly healthy to try out new things. It's how I found out I really enjoy karaoke for example. Heck, just one Big Finish sale can get you invested in a whole new range you were previously indifferent to. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 9:29:55 GMT
There are fans and there are fans. The reason I love this place so much is that the majority of people here are unafraid of being enthusiastic, grateful and of enjoying what we have. Why else would you be a fan of something if it didn't inspire such positivity?
There are also those determined to drag their favourite thing (that's Doctor Who, by the way!) through the mud every time it doesn't match with their ever changing 'wants'. "Paradise Towers would have been good if it weren't for those awful cleaning machines, terrible set designs, naff characterisations, OTT acting and rubbish effects," - then it wouldn't be Paradise Towers!! (I don't think anyone has actually said those things, but I use it to demonstrate my point that they would like Doctor Who if it wasn't Doctor Who.)
"Why couldn't we have The Third Doctor, instead of the First, in the 2017 Christmas Special?" someone asks. Well, because the writer and showrunner has chosen to bring back The First Doctor, that's why! He's in charge, he calls the shots. If the Third Doctor had been brought back, then chances are, the very same people would be moaning that we couldn't have seen a return of the First instead.
As a fan myself, I actually don't know what I want. If John Dorney were to say to me, 'what story would you like me to write?' I wouldn't have a clue! I'd ask him to write the story he wants to write and, chances are, I'd love it. What I want is to be continually surprised and impressed with Doctor Who. I leave the rest to the experts!
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Post by acousticwolf on Jul 28, 2017 13:00:57 GMT
I'm a fan, I know what I want ... I also know that the likelihood of ever getting it is very slim  ... Cheers Tony |
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Jul 29, 2017 10:36:40 GMT
to some extent
but not reliably ... they are frequently happy with the unexpected and can be disappointed by what they think they want.
and fans are a collection of individuals who do not all want the same things - so something that will delight some fans will leave others disappointed and/or complaining.
I think that's where the whole notion that people "do not want change, they just want the illusion of change" comes from, as no change will make all fans happy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 11:41:29 GMT
I think fans more often than not don't want their expectations met, but surpassed instead. What they want is to be challenged by the work in one form or another.
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