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Post by Ela on Nov 2, 2017 1:48:08 GMT
Have to say it's quite an impressive way to finish your DW career. Makes you wonder what happened to cause it. Cheers Tony *raises eyebrow * I don’t know if “impressive” is quite the word I’d use. :-\ Pretty childish, really.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 2, 2017 2:06:24 GMT
I thought it was quite funny. Although probably best seen as an ill conceived attempt at sarcastic humour. But among all the weeping and gnashing of teeth that is probably going on over on SpaceBook and Titter, maybe Nick Pegg is right and BBC WW and Pannini are a bunch of c****?! Who knows? We certainly don't. Sure the BBC can sack Nick Pegg from sitting insde a Dalek, it doesn't mean he's wrong though. I'd agree with this. Is the way he handled it childish? Perhaps. Does it do anything to advance his case? Probably not. When fighting large corporation one needs to be very strategic about how one wants to go on the attack. What is the endgame? What are the demands and how does one know what constitutes success? None of this sounds strategic to me. Pegg may well be absolutely correct in his feelings but this stunt does nothing to achieve his ends. Rather it takes his voice off of the field.
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Post by Digi on Nov 2, 2017 2:36:39 GMT
I don’t expect that BBC has any say in Big Finish’s HR decisions. That said, I also expect that Big Finish probably aren’t going to be going out of their way to antagonize the owner of their biggest licence.
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Post by Digi on Nov 2, 2017 2:39:02 GMT
Have to say it's quite an impressive way to finish your DW career. Makes you wonder what happened to cause it. Cheers Tony its the 2nd time something like this has happened in as many months. The Shada DVD was announced at the same time Worldwide contacted Clayton Hickman to say they didn't want the DVD artwork they commissioned him to do for it
so some people might have similar sentiments.
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I remember seeing him tweeting about that. If I’m remembering things right, he seemed a bit annoyed, but also sort of ‘well, that’s how these things go sometimes.’
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Post by acousticwolf on Nov 2, 2017 9:41:32 GMT
Have to say it's quite an impressive way to finish your DW career. Makes you wonder what happened to cause it. Cheers Tony *raises eyebrow * I don’t know if “impressive” is quite the word I’d use. :-\ Pretty childish, really. When I say impressive, I mean like using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut... No going back! Cheers Tony
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 12:26:05 GMT
No one does something this premeditated without knowing full well that they are going to be fired from, well, pretty much everything probably. I mean this is scorched earth level stuff, right here, and you would have to be monumentally naive, and/or borderline delusional, to think you could ever walk away from something like this clean.
As such it definitely makes me wonder just what was so egregious that it led to this level of raging against the machine. We'll probably never know, but I suspect that there is a lot more to this than meets the eye...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 15:02:10 GMT
I have met Nick on several occasions throughout the years and read much of his writing on David Bowie. I find it very difficult to imagine what would've led him to do such an uncharacteristically unprofessional thing.
I rather suspect the full details of this story are destined to go the same way as the truth behind that night shoot on "Rose"...
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Post by sherlock on Nov 2, 2017 15:05:14 GMT
I rather suspect the full details of this story are destined to go the same way as the truth behind that night shoot on "Rose"... ?
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Post by jasonward on Nov 2, 2017 15:17:18 GMT
I rather suspect the full details of this story are destined to go the same way as the truth behind that night shoot on "Rose"... ? My reaction too.
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Post by Ela on Nov 2, 2017 15:28:06 GMT
*raises eyebrow * I don’t know if “impressive” is quite the word I’d use. :-\ Pretty childish, really. When I say impressive, I mean like using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut... No going back! Cheers Tony Indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 15:31:23 GMT
There was purportedly an incident during the scene where Henrik's explodes that ran the risk of seriously injuring someone and was the point where CE started to have doubts about the way the show was being made that led to him quitting. (At the appropriate point on the DVD commentary, RTD and Phil Collinson openly acknowledge that something happened and say that someday there's "a whole book" to be written about it.)
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Post by Ela on Nov 2, 2017 15:33:24 GMT
That doesn't sound the same at all.
I'm amused that some people seem to want to explain away Nick Pegg's behavior. Whatever the motivation, the act was inappropriate.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 2, 2017 15:45:59 GMT
That doesn't sound the same at all. I'm amused that some people seem to want to explain away Nick Pegg's behavior. Whatever the motivation, the act was inappropriate. Behaviour like that doesn't come from nowhere. It wasn't just a random act of silliness, it was not only premeditated it took time and effort to execute. The more I read the more I'm feeling these action were not the product of a well person, others seem to be leaning towards some great injustice (from Nicks perspective) but to call it "just" childish doesn't seem to gel with who Nick is known to be. But I think it an error to characterise these possible explanations as "explain away", certainly I don't see anyone trivialising or saying Nick just being Nick it will all blow over, or any such thing. Nick behaviour, whatever it's source, has blown up with force in his direction, BBC Worldwide and Paninni are basically unharmed and will easily forget the whole thing. But Nick has probably just blown his whole career up, and it could be a long time, if ever, before he can get some semblance back. To my mind, either he is just a petulant man child much in the mould of Trump, but no one ever noticed before, or there is some reason to explain the action.
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Post by Ela on Nov 2, 2017 16:03:28 GMT
That doesn't sound the same at all. I'm amused that some people seem to want to explain away Nick Pegg's behavior. Whatever the motivation, the act was inappropriate. Behaviour like that doesn't come from nowhere. It wasn't just a random act of silliness, it was not only premeditated it took time and effort to execute. The more I read the more I'm feeling these action were not the product of a well person, others seem to be leaning towards some great injustice (from Nicks perspective) but to call it "just" childish doesn't seem to gel with who Nick is known to be. But I think it an error to characterise these possible explanations as "explain away", certainly I don't see anyone trivialising or saying Nick just being Nick it will all blow over, or any such thing. Nick behaviour, whatever it's source, has blown up with force in his direction, BBC Worldwide and Paninni are basically unharmed and will easily forget the whole thing. But Nick has probably just blown his whole career up, and it could be a long time, if ever, before he can get some semblance back. To my mind, either he is just a petulant man child much in the mould of Trump, but no one ever noticed before, or there is some reason to explain the action. Yeah, that's a reasonable thought process on the situation, Jason.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 16:22:29 GMT
Don't presume that BBC Worldwide and Panini are "basically unharmed". They went to great lengths to try to stop this leaking out into the wider world, and there was talk that this could even lead to the magazine closing down.
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Post by mark687 on Nov 2, 2017 16:32:44 GMT
Don't presume that BBC Worldwide and Panini are "basically unharmed". They went to great lengths to try to stop this leaking out into the wider world, and there was talk that this could even lead to the magazine closing down. So again wondering why bother to hint at it and why was it missed by proof editing?
And long term damage? The expanded universe is still niche (true more people may've bought it this month because DT was on the cover) but still,,,
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Post by jasonward on Nov 2, 2017 16:33:34 GMT
Don't presume that BBC Worldwide and Panini are "basically unharmed". They went to great lengths to try to stop this leaking out into the wider world, and there was talk that this could even lead to the magazine closing down. What sources do you have for this? I suspect efforts were made to stop this from coming to light in the larger world (although of course, if the Mirror is to be believed, it was published on the DWM website, in full view of the world) but I would expect at least some of that effort was made by Nick's friends trying to protect him. But I find it hard to believe this incident threatened the very existence of the magazine.
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Post by redsharkJason on Nov 2, 2017 19:20:34 GMT
Well, well, well....Private Eye's take on what's been happening at DWM recently. Edit: Yes, I cut the 2nd pic to avoid getting a telling off from mods for posting the C-word in plain sight. There's no text after that anyway. I was wondering why the great Tom Spilsbury stepped down from DWM. Coincidentally? I can Google query about DWM issues: 501, 502 and 504, 505 which handily directs to the DoctorWhoMagazine.com website. But, NOT for issue #503 where Peter Davision is perhaps given a little too much free rein to express his political views.
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Post by Jeedai on Nov 2, 2017 21:16:37 GMT
A caustic acrostic that cost Nick a job quick. But seriously, tho... So again wondering why bother to hint at it and why was it missed by proof editing? Is a stunt like this something magazines and such have to look out for on a regular basis? Does copy-editing software come with a function to scan for this sort of word play?
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Post by omega on Nov 2, 2017 21:48:42 GMT
Don't presume that BBC Worldwide and Panini are "basically unharmed". They went to great lengths to try to stop this leaking out into the wider world, and there was talk that this could even lead to the magazine closing down. So again wondering why bother to hint at it and why was it missed by proof editing?
And long term damage? The expanded universe is still niche (true more people may've bought it this month because DT was on the cover) but still,,,
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Earlier this year the illustrator of the first issue of X-Men Gold, and the artist listed to illustrate the first arc, slipped in references to controversial subject matter under the noses of the editors. He was promptly fired and the art he had done altered to remove the offensive content. He also went online to say how his career was ruined because of how he was fired.
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