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Post by stcoop on Apr 17, 2019 12:58:48 GMT
As you say it's hard to understand the rationale for not doing it - the major costs have been incurred, it is only the physical production costs of the sets they would have to bear and there is a guaranteed demand in the market. For a commercial organisation that is supposed to turn in a profit, it seems like a no-brainer.
If anyone's worried about the limited edition aspect of it, they can always make a very minor, inconsequential change to the booklet or something to make it different.
Given the slow death of the physical media market they were right to go for a limited run on the first set.
And now, the economies of scale might be hampering a reprint. If the number of people who'd buy a copy is less than the minimum print run they'd need to make a profit, it's not going to happen, espcially since there isn't going to be much of a long tail for it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 13:27:26 GMT
As you say it's hard to understand the rationale for not doing it - the major costs have been incurred, it is only the physical production costs of the sets they would have to bear and there is a guaranteed demand in the market. For a commercial organisation that is supposed to turn in a profit, it seems like a no-brainer.
If anyone's worried about the limited edition aspect of it, they can always make a very minor, inconsequential change to the booklet or something to make it different.
Given the slow death of the physical media market they were right to go for a limited run on the first set.
And now, the economies of scale might be hampering a reprint. If the number of people who'd buy a copy is less than the minimum print run they'd need to make a profit, it's not going to happen, espcially since there isn't going to be much of a long tail for it.
Most of the boutique bluray labels like Arrow and Indicator do limited editions of 3000 for their releases. Hard to believe that there aren't at least 3000 who want S12 out there, scalpers alone would surely snap them up, sadly. That's just the LEs though. If they did switch to standard cases the costs tumble - though the people who want uniformity won't all snap. Mainstream physical media is indeed in decline but collector's labels like the above have never been more successful. Targeting a small cult with a premium product knowing it's not something the masses want. Indicator don't even put a description of the films on the back cover because they know anyone buying them will be familiar. I think these sets edge closer to that model, of smaller runs aimed at us and some of the curious but not designed to sit in warehouses indefinitely like the DVDs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 13:31:33 GMT
I missed S12 so I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
As you say it's hard to understand the rationale for not doing it - the major costs have been incurred, it is only the physical production costs of the sets they would have to bear and there is a guaranteed demand in the market. For a commercial organisation that is supposed to turn in a profit, it seems like a no-brainer.
If anyone's worried about the limited edition aspect of it, they can always make a very minor, inconsequential change to the booklet or something to make it different.
I know some people would have an issue with a reprint but as I said above, they're just wanting to protect their item's value rather than appreciating the actual contents. I think there would only be an issue with printing more if it were a numbered LE but not only are they not numbered, but we don't know the print run number. If they printed another 5K, it would still be limited...just less limited than it was. I don't understand people having an issue with more fans getting the stories and features in the best quality ever.
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Post by lidar2 on Apr 17, 2019 13:45:56 GMT
I missed S12 so I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
As you say it's hard to understand the rationale for not doing it - the major costs have been incurred, it is only the physical production costs of the sets they would have to bear and there is a guaranteed demand in the market. For a commercial organisation that is supposed to turn in a profit, it seems like a no-brainer.
If anyone's worried about the limited edition aspect of it, they can always make a very minor, inconsequential change to the booklet or something to make it different.
I know some people would have an issue with a reprint but as I said above, they're just wanting to protect their item's value rather than appreciating the actual contents. I think there would only be an issue with printing more if it were a numbered LE but not only are they not numbered, but we don't know the print run number. If they printed another 5K, it would still be limited...just less limited than it was. I don't understand people having an issue with more fans getting the stories and features in the best quality ever. Getting away from DVDs, I know of a successful artist who does pictures of towns/cities with their landmarks etc. Each one is a limited edition print but when they are sold out he takes the original picture, adds in something minor like a car on one of the streets, and sells it as another limited edition print run. And no one can complain to trading standards because each limited edition print run is different from the other limited edition runs, albeit not materially different in the grand scheme of things, so the average buyer is quite happy with the situation.
So even "limited edition" doesn't always have to mean limited edition!
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Post by Star Platinum on Apr 17, 2019 16:04:11 GMT
Just got my order in.
I will admit, the October release date has me somewhat worried.
Also, hopefully the piece will drop a bit. $80 is a lot, considering the other sets are sitting around the $45-50 mark.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 19:17:53 GMT
Region free blu-way players are the best entertainment investment. On top of that...the vast majority of releases say their discs are region-coded do on the box, but a ton of disc publishers don't actually bother. Plus there are more than a few BD player manufacturers who build their units with an easy 'hack' to make them region free--usually just a setting buried under half a dozen menus, or accessible only by pressing the buttons on the remote in a certain sequence. (Heck, my PS4 plays both Region A and Region B Blu-rays without so much as blinking, and I never had to touch a single menu option) I'm not saying anyone should assume that either one of those are the case; the last thing anyone wants is to spend a boatload of money on some Blu-rays only for them not to work. I'm just saying, at this late stage in the Blu-ray lifecycle, it's nowhere near as stringently enforced as things were in the early days of DVD. That's actually quite true of Blu-Rays. I have bought US editions of 'Excalibur' and 'I am Legend' which have no region encoding, yet a Live Music BR (of ZZ-Top) recently bought had to be returned as it was incompatible. But then again an AUS DVD of the Barry Letts/Terrance Dicks/Tom Baker 'Hound of the Baskervilles' (not released in UK) worked fine despite being labelled as encoded. I know Amazon marketplace sellers here in the UK, who stock imports, often flag up whether an item works fine on Region 2 or whether it needs a region free player. On the subject of repackaging re-releases, I bought the limited, numbered edition of the Key to Time box set when it came out (800 something out of 15000). I have seen the re-released version in retailers and whilst it is sufficiently different not to be mistaken for the limited run version, being more simply packaged, a man on a galloping horse would struggle to notice the difference. That is to suggest that a more simplified re-issue, omitting the booklet and fold out artwork would look the same on the shelf for those who missed out on the limited run, whilst satisfying the early purchasing 'collector' for whom the words 'first edition' always adds desirability. I certainly don't begrudge anyone getting their hands on S12 via a reissue - I never bought it for profit anyway and the thought that I may have to snap up the next 23 of these sets as they come out for fear of ending up with an incomplete set, seems like a right pain, especially if they are going to start coming more frequently. Anyone with limited funds is going to end up with incomplete collections.
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Post by andrew on Apr 17, 2019 19:38:11 GMT
But then again an AUS DVD of the Barry Letts/Terrance Dicks/Tom Baker 'Hound of the Baskervilles' (not released in UK) worked fine despite being labelled as encoded. Brief aside, is there any known reason the Baker HotB has never had a UK release? I've seen it years ago when it was shown on UK Gold. Always fancied adding it to the collection. May have to see if I can track down an Aussie copy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 21:37:26 GMT
On top of that...the vast majority of releases say their discs are region-coded do on the box, but a ton of disc publishers don't actually bother. Plus there are more than a few BD player manufacturers who build their units with an easy 'hack' to make them region free--usually just a setting buried under half a dozen menus, or accessible only by pressing the buttons on the remote in a certain sequence. (Heck, my PS4 plays both Region A and Region B Blu-rays without so much as blinking, and I never had to touch a single menu option) I'm not saying anyone should assume that either one of those are the case; the last thing anyone wants is to spend a boatload of money on some Blu-rays only for them not to work. I'm just saying, at this late stage in the Blu-ray lifecycle, it's nowhere near as stringently enforced as things were in the early days of DVD. That's actually quite true of Blu-Rays. I have bought US editions of 'Excalibur' and 'I am Legend' which have no region encoding, yet a Live Music BR (of ZZ-Top) recently bought had to be returned as it was incompatible. But then again an AUS DVD of the Barry Letts/Terrance Dicks/Tom Baker 'Hound of the Baskervilles' (not released in UK) worked fine despite being labelled as encoded. I know Amazon marketplace sellers here in the UK, who stock imports, often flag up whether an item works fine on Region 2 or whether it needs a region free player. Excalibur and I Am Legend are both Warners - they don't tend to region lock blurays or DVDs but other distributors will. Anyone expecting region free Kino or Shout/Scream Factory titles will be dissapointed. Likewise in the UK, the BFI tend to lock everything while Arrow and Eureka will lock if they don't own worldwide rights. Bluray.com is the best resource for finding out whether a disc is region free or not, Amazon and their marketsellers tend to be a bit unreliable, only reading the box rather than knowing what is and what isn't actually locked. Anything Warners will be fine, Universal and Fox are often OK. Paramount can be hit and miss. The current DW blurays often say Region B despite (mostly) being region free. As for Hounds, Region 2 (Europe) and Region 4 (Australia) often had dual region coding - which Hounds did. It's not region free, it wouldn't work in an R1 player, but companies like BBCWW and Universal made all their R2 and R4 discs interchangable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 22:46:09 GMT
Peter Crocker has confirmed Planet Of The Daleks Ep 3 is undergoing a new colour restoration to take advantage of tech improvements. He's already talking about Ambassadors and Dinosaurs colour being possible for the same treatment but less likely due to budget. Still - exciting to hear even prelim talk of Seasons 7 and 11. Brings it home that they're really going to do the whole show!
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Post by sexbombsimon on Apr 17, 2019 23:14:54 GMT
Sorry if it is the wrong place to metion this, but Zoom are now taking Pre-Orders for Season 4 [Doctor-Donna] Steelbook edition. £23.99 - Bargain!
And out at the end of May, so not too far off.
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Post by smith11 on Apr 19, 2019 15:14:40 GMT
Stupid question time
Just bought season 18 blu ray and the episodes play in 14:9 screen ratio, is that meant to happen?
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Post by newt5996 on Apr 19, 2019 15:20:16 GMT
Stupid question time Just bought season 18 blu ray and the episodes play in 14:9 screen ratio, is that meant to happen? No that might be your blu ray player attempting to correct the 4:3 to 16:9. Try to change the picture settings
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Post by smith11 on Apr 19, 2019 15:26:44 GMT
Sorry I meant 16:9 but has the black bars on the side of the screen, which the menu doesn’t have, is that still odd??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 15:30:54 GMT
Sorry I meant 16:9 but has the black bars on the side of the screen, which the menu doesn’t have, is that still odd?? No, it's not odd. That's how they are meant to play by default. If the picture has black bars at the side that is because the old broadcast standard is 4:3, so that is how they will display on a 16:9 TV... unless you set the picture ratio to 16:9, in which case you will lose some of the picture at the top and bottom.
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Post by newt5996 on Apr 19, 2019 18:24:30 GMT
Sorry I meant 16:9 but has the black bars on the side of the screen, which the menu doesn’t have, is that still odd?? No, it's not odd. That's how they are meant to play by default. If the picture has black bars at the side that is because the old broadcast standard is 4:3, so that is how they will display on a 16:9 TV... unless you set the picture ratio to 16:9, in which case you will lose some of the picture at the top and bottom. Or it’s a stretch which some TVs will do instead of cutting the image off
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 18:28:56 GMT
Where do my fellow Australians get their UK blurays/dvds from these days, seeing as we're barred from ordering from amazon.co.uk, and zoom don't ship outside of Europe? I have been ordering from Zavvi recently, but they are slow, they don't package things well, and aren't exactly cheap either (comparatively). Any other options? If you're looking specifically for the UK version of these sets, I'm not sure if I can help. If you're just looking for the Region B versions in general, I can recommend JB Hi-Fi. They not only have the best price I can find for these complete season sets (comparable with the Zoom UK pricing), but if you've got a store near you, regardless of what day of the week an item is released they will have it on the shelf at the start of the release week, so you can technically get things several days early They also deliver, and they're prices aren't too bad either (especially if you buy in bulk, from memory). No, I'm specifically after UK versions, as the Australian releases tend to be getting more and more stripped back in terms of packaging and inserts and so on, plus the general ugliness of our rating system advisories often ruining front covers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 19:55:58 GMT
I find that I have to change my TV settings prior to playing these sets to 4:3 full frame, and then to change back to 16:9 for other discs, to ensure all play as intended. I have described this in more detail earlier in this thread a few times, and though its a pain, at least I know how to set it up and back again - its just the way it is and at least you can.
Off on a tangent here, but thinking about the climate change protests in London and elsewhere, with the general social media portrayal of the protesters and their radical demands for cutting carbon emissions, I have been thinking today of how ahead of the game Malcolm Hulke was 45 years ago. From the sympathetic portrayal of the Nut Hutch in the (forthcoming blu-ray reissue) S10 Green Death, to the more extremist actions of those heading up the group in the Dinosaur Invasion, seeking to return all to a Golden Age, the arguments and counter arguments are all there, from both sides of the debate, right down to the general characterisation of the protesters.
I am really not opening a debate here, nor taking a side, but seeking to comment on how effectively Malcolm Hulke incorporated the issues and debates into two brilliantly plotted dramas in such a way that no one could accuse him of using the show to push forward his personal agenda. In fact, he manages to disarm critics by playing to the stereotypes, whilst not discrediting the cause.
All quite sharp, and an intelligent way of getting people thinking about something without preaching. Now - when are they going to unleash the Dinosaurs then?
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Post by bohnny on Apr 26, 2019 4:45:49 GMT
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Post by OneTen on Apr 26, 2019 10:25:02 GMT
Many thanks, have emailed.
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Post by number13 on Apr 26, 2019 10:39:38 GMT
Thanks for the info, but what is the audio problem please? So I can see if I want to bother requesting a replacement.
I've watched 'The Leisure Hive' twice, listening to the 5:1 mix with good headphones and didn't notice anything odd with the audio. (Not that I'm always the most observant!)
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