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Post by david on Nov 3, 2015 4:57:48 GMT
My issue with the JJ-verse was perhaps a bit nitpicky and incredibly geeky..but it has bugged me. Maybe someone can help me with it. I stress I eny them as spectacle but things like the below kinda confuse me. What's the point in the whole Trek cncept, or indeed spaceships, when tech already exists in the Abrams-verse - created by Scotty - to beam directly from Earth to Qo'noS? That's NINETY light years. Even hundreds of years later in the prime universe this is impossible but Khan does it in Into Dakrness. Scotty created this before Spock and Nero travelled back so it's nothing to do with "an alternate universe" as events from before the point old Spock and Nero came back to are unaltered. Essentially it's only after Spock and Nero's arrival that the Universes diverge. So this tech was completely retconned into being pre-existing. I wish someone had told Janeway - she might have gotten Voyager back much faster! I'm not sure I see a way out of this despite giving it thought. That kind of thing did show up in the other shows occasionally though. There was an episode of Enterprise where the inventor of the transporter tried (and failed) to invent a transporter that can beam people between star systems, and I think Dukat ince had a Dominion transporter used to beam Kira from DS9 to Empok Nor. Yeah but the first example failed the second is from a Quadrant that they've not got contact with yet... Harrison's transport worked perfectly and was stated to be from Scotty's previous work. It disregards the internal logic. I can only imagine they came up with this magic-transporter to have a quick scene to introduce the new Klingons while not having an actual Klingon-Federation showdown which I'd imagine they're saving for a sequel. Frankly - if this tech exists...why would you need to bother with 5 year missions? You could all hop about the galaxy no problem! You'd certainly never need shuttle again!
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Post by david on Nov 3, 2015 5:02:37 GMT
100%. Not too much but the occasional trip there is so much fun. Especially the DS9 variety with Superintendent Kira. It gives the actors the chance to really ham it up and it's pure pulpy sci-fi. It's kinda goofy, sure, but I always love those eps. My all time favourite Trek ep - any series - is Far Beyond The Stars. Not Mirror Universe, of course, but similiar in that the regulars play different roles to their usual performances. I think the best part of Far Beyond the Stars is how different it is from a normal Star Trek episode. Trek deals with racism all the time, but usually by using alien conflicts as a metaphor for real life racism (Let That Be Your Last Battlefield is my favorite example). Far Beyond the Stars, however, features almost no sci-fi, and deals with human racism directly. Absoutely. And having an African-American Captain made DS9 the perfect show for this. Avery Brooks completely knocks it out the park. I've heard a lot of people say Patrick Stewart in The Inner Light gives the best performance in Trek but for me it's Brooks in Far Beyond...
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Post by seeley on Nov 3, 2015 6:28:22 GMT
My issue with the JJ-verse was perhaps a bit nitpicky and incredibly geeky..but it has bugged me. Maybe someone can help me with it. I stress I eny them as spectacle but things like the below kinda confuse me. What's the point in the whole Trek cncept, or indeed spaceships, when tech already exists in the Abrams-verse - created by Scotty - to beam directly from Earth to Qo'noS? That's NINETY light years. Even hundreds of years later in the prime universe this is impossible but Khan does it in Into Dakrness. Scotty created this before Spock and Nero travelled back so it's nothing to do with "an alternate universe" as events from before the point old Spock and Nero came back to are unaltered. Essentially it's only after Spock and Nero's arrival that the Universes diverge. So this tech was completely retconned into being pre-existing. I wish someone had told Janeway - she might have gotten Voyager back much faster! I'm not sure I see a way out of this despite giving it thought. As far as continuity is concerned, I see it like this: Episodes, such as "City on the Edge of Forever," demonstrate that time can be rewritten, as opposed to simply copied, so what happens in the 2009 film is a quirk of things like the red matter-created wormhole ("Trials and Tribbel-ations" suggests that other things might be able to do this.) This means that altering history at one point can consequently change at an even earlier point in time, thanks to the intervention of other time travelers being erased. So perhaps Scotty didn't develop the concept to the same extent in the prime timeline, but the absence of some anachronaut in the Abramsverse opened the way for him to do so. Wait a second, according to Memory Alpha, Scotty was eleven when Nero arrived. Was he that much of a prodigy? As for why star ships are still being used in the Abramsverse, I'd imagine it takes an enormous amount of energy to do what Harrison did, making such long-range use only viable for emergencies. That such long-range use is even possible may be thanks to technology salvaged from Nero's craft.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 23:23:37 GMT
I stuck with Enterprise all the way up to the end. I didn't care much for that final episode but the handful that came before it were excellent. I gave up on TNG for the 2nd season, but came back on season 3.
I don't want this new series to have anything to do with the JJ-verse. I've been trying to think of what I do want. Continuity and Canon get in the way... JJ jettisoned most of it with his alternate-timeline. I'm not much of a fan of those movies though (I thought the first one was "OK" and the second one pretty awful... and I don't know if I'll even bother with the third. ) So I don't want to see more in that universe. But I do understand the difficulty of adhering to continuity and canon, it's hard to do without pissing off too many hardcore fans that won't accept it when you goof up and contradict Canon, be it by mistake or on purpose. Enterprise, being a prequel could sort of get around some of it, but I always thought they went too far, especially the first two seasons. That show's improvement towards the end was from having writers that embraced the prequelness of it rather than trying to stand alone.
I think I'd like to have a show set in the "prime" universe, but with a story line that doesn't place it in a position to need to conform to lots of canon most of the time.
Actually, come to think of it, I'd like something similar to the fan-produced audio show I work for, Star Trek Excelsior. Prime Universe, NOT on a ship called Enterprise (but of the same class of starship) and with long story arcs that balance fresh stories with a base in canon.
Oh, and please, no Mirror Universe! Sadly, any new TV series is going to have to be set within the JJ Abrams universe - that's Star Trek now, that's where people have come to the franchise and the majority are currently experiencing it as. Going back to the original timeline just isn't an option for a TV series.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 0:56:08 GMT
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Post by jasonward on Nov 4, 2015 1:05:33 GMT
lol, well I know nothing about the CBS service, but yeah, it did strike me that they hadn't thought the idea through, or are naive about it, personally I find Netflix and Amazon Prime extremely limited already, I'm waiting for the day when a streaming service basically offers me a more or less full catalogue of everything, for instance it bugs me that I can't watch all of Doctor Who on Netflix, only a small selection of some of the more recent series, it will happen I'm sure, but till then people will just pirate what they can't get in a reasonable fashion from "official" sources.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 4, 2015 17:31:19 GMT
lol, well I know nothing about the CBS service, but yeah, it did strike me that they hadn't thought the idea through, or are naive about it, personally I find Netflix and Amazon Prime extremely limited already, I'm waiting for the day when a streaming service basically offers me a more or less full catalogue of everything, for instance it bugs me that I can't watch all of Doctor Who on Netflix, only a small selection of some of the more recent series, it will happen I'm sure, but till then people will just pirate what they can't get in a reasonable fashion from "official" sources. Isn't all of the New Series except season 9 on Netflix?
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Post by jasonward on Nov 4, 2015 17:45:56 GMT
Not sure, I don't think so, but could be wrong, but the new series hardly represents all of Doctor Who.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 4, 2015 18:20:15 GMT
Not sure, I don't think so, but could be wrong, but the new series hardly represents all of Doctor Who. They've got all the new series except the current season, but a pretty limited collection of Classic episodes.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 4, 2015 18:43:07 GMT
Which country are you in? I haven't looked in the last few weeks, but when I did I don't recall finding any classic Who and I'm like 70% sure there was missing new series stuff, but what I also know is that different countries Netflix's have different content.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 4, 2015 18:45:37 GMT
Which country are you in? I haven't looked in the last few weeks, but when I did I don't recall finding any classic Who and I'm like 70% sure there was missing new series stuff, but what I also know is that different countries Netflix's have different content. I'm in the U.S.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 4, 2015 18:51:32 GMT
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 4, 2015 20:01:18 GMT
Wow, I would have expected that British Netflix would have more Who than American Netflix, since Who is more popular in the U.K. I won't pretend to know how they make any of those decisions though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 22:01:34 GMT
Wow, I would have expected that British Netflix would have more Who than American Netflix, since Who is more popular in the U.K. I won't pretend to know how they make any of those decisions though. With BBC launching their store they're probably downsizing their presence on other services. Amazon Prime has everything from TV movie to Time of the Doctor for free and a selection of classic stories to buy at itunes prices.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 1:02:53 GMT
Isn't all of the New Series except season 9 on Netflix? Don't know about the UK, but here in Ireland we only have the first seven seasons of Nu Who on Netflix... Not sure why the BBC wouldn't let us have Season 8 as I do know that it is available on the US Netflix service (and Hulu).
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 5, 2015 1:14:58 GMT
Getting back on topic, what do people want to see in the new Trek series? I'd like to see more of the galactic politics that we got in DS9. Maybe not another war, but I want to see races forming alliances with eachother, and assassinating eachother, and all that fun stuff. Also, Tribbles.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 5:22:12 GMT
I don't want them going heavy. Just some people in a spaceship, boldy going.....
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 5, 2015 13:11:15 GMT
Interesting that its gonna be shortly after the 50th anniversary of Trek starting
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Post by david on Nov 6, 2015 20:01:51 GMT
Wow, I would have expected that British Netflix would have more Who than American Netflix, since Who is more popular in the U.K. I won't pretend to know how they make any of those decisions though. Because of this: store.bbc.com/drama/doctor-whoIt's freshly launched. It's interesting..they're charging more for Tom Baker stories than the others. Now, sure, he's more popular...but that didn't make his DVDs more expensive.
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Post by kurumais on Nov 12, 2015 14:39:52 GMT
the motion picture uniforms made it look like they worked in a dentist's office
i think they need to do a series about character fresh out of the academy on their first posting all ensigns.
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