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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 9:02:30 GMT
To the women of the forum, how do you feel about Missy's arc, specifically how do you feel more in touch with her emotions and being able to recgonise that she needs and wants The Doctor in her life?
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Post by rran on Jan 18, 2018 3:21:04 GMT
Personally, I didn’t like Missy at all. So I’ve never analysed her personality as I always felt she went overboard except in the last episode.Then again, this is my view. I’m sure there are many others who liked her.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 11:23:34 GMT
Personally, I didn’t like Missy at all. So I’ve never analysed her personality as I always felt she went overboard except in the last episode.Then again, this is my view. I’m sure there are many others who liked her. I loved her. The best thing about the Capaldi era! x
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Post by elkawho on Jan 18, 2018 12:29:31 GMT
Firstly, why address this just to women? But that's how the question stands.
Nope. I don't feel more "in touch" with her or her motives because she's a woman. I wasn't thrilled when they made her a woman because I'm not a fan of the idea that Timelords can change gender. I think Michelle Gomez did a great job, but I actually hated that she, unlike all the Masters before her, was motivated by wanting to be friends with the Doctor. That made no sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 12:38:18 GMT
Firstly, why address this just to women? But that's how the question stands. Nope. I don't feel more "in touch" with her or her motives because she's a woman. I wasn't thrilled when they made her a woman because I'm not a fan of the idea that Timelords can change gender. I think Michelle Gomez did a great job, but I actually hated that she, unlike all the Masters before her, was motivated by wanting to be friends with the Doctor. That made no sense to me. To me, watching Missy's arc, it felt very gendered - The Master is a now The Mistress, a woman, so obviously she's more in touch with her feelings - which I don't really know how to feel about because to me it feels like it's working from gender sterotypes, however unintended.
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Post by rran on Jan 18, 2018 12:46:44 GMT
Firstly, why address this just to women? But that's how the question stands. Nope. I don't feel more "in touch" with her or her motives because she's a woman. I wasn't thrilled when they made her a woman because I'm not a fan of the idea that Timelords can change gender. I think Michelle Gomez did a great job, but I actually hated that she, unlike all the Masters before her, was motivated by wanting to be friends with the Doctor. That made no sense to me. You nailed it here. I too am uncomfortable with the idea that Timelords can change gender.
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Post by jasonward on Jan 18, 2018 12:58:10 GMT
Firstly, why address this just to women? But that's how the question stands. I have looked at this thread several times, and was always left wondering why it was addressed to women only, it made me feel uncomfortable. Nope. I don't feel more "in touch" with her or her motives because she's a woman. I wasn't thrilled when they made her a woman because I'm not a fan of the idea that Timelords can change gender. I think Michelle Gomez did a great job, but I actually hated that she, unlike all the Masters before her, was motivated by wanting to be friends with the Doctor. That made no sense to me. I didn't find Missy's wanting to be "friends" so jarring, indeed it seems part of a continuity of things, especially when I consider the relationship in light of BF stories and the Simms Master, Simms Master was clearly obsessed with The Doctor, cared more deeply about what The Doctor thought than anything else, which again seems to be part of a continuity of The Master's and The Doctor's relationship. Sure the relationship between the two now needs some kind of reset, it wouldn't seem to me that The Master can become The Doctors close ally and confidante, but to see The Doctor and The Master as more than a black and white, good vs evil conflict is great and I'd love to see more.
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Post by rran on Jan 18, 2018 13:01:52 GMT
Personally, I didn’t like Missy at all. So I’ve never analysed her personality as I always felt she went overboard except in the last episode.Then again, this is my view. I’m sure there are many others who liked her. I loved her. The best thing about the Capaldi era! x I found the best thing about the Capaldi era to be Capaldi himself
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Post by jasonward on Jan 18, 2018 13:02:20 GMT
Firstly, why address this just to women? But that's how the question stands. Nope. I don't feel more "in touch" with her or her motives because she's a woman. I wasn't thrilled when they made her a woman because I'm not a fan of the idea that Timelords can change gender. I think Michelle Gomez did a great job, but I actually hated that she, unlike all the Masters before her, was motivated by wanting to be friends with the Doctor. That made no sense to me. You nailed it here. I too am uncomfortable with the idea that Timelords can change gender. Hmmm, a thought occurred to me after reading these replies. It makes me wonder if the idea of gender changing is more alarming to women than men these days, because men are more used to seeing the ideas that make up the gender male undermined whereas the the ideas that make up the gender female tend to be promoted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 13:20:11 GMT
Sure the relationship between the two now needs some kind of reset. No! The Master/Missy is DEAD. It can't be reset. Hopefully!
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Post by jasonward on Jan 18, 2018 13:27:52 GMT
Sure the relationship between the two now needs some kind of reset. No! The Master/Missy is DEAD. It can't be reset. Hopefully! I think that is such a forlorn hope, it is better abandoned, sure all the companions that have come back from the dead in recent years has really annoyed me, and I want the practice to stop, but The Master has form in this area, coming back from certain death is what The Master does, and with no writers bible to say "The Master is dead" any writer at any time can bring The Master back, as such the probability that this will happen is pretty much 1 (i.e. certain) so to hope otherwise is just to court near certain disappointment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 13:29:47 GMT
No! The Master/Missy is DEAD. It can't be reset. Hopefully! I think that is such a forlorn hope, it is better abandoned, sure all the companions that have come back from the dead in recent years has really annoyed me, and I want the practice to stop, but The Master has form in this area, coming back from certain death is what The Master does, and with no writers bible to say "The Master is dead" any writer at any time can bring The Master back, as such the probability that this will happen is pretty much 1 (i.e. certain) so to hope otherwise is just to court near certain disappointment. Maybe but that is my opinion & hope. Yes The Master has come back from apparent death before but this was different. A proper character arc & an ending that felt so right for the character. To reset it would undo a lot of great writing & just seem like throwing away what was for me a great ending for the character x
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Post by rran on Jan 18, 2018 13:39:26 GMT
Being a woman myself, I just didn’t connect with her ( I hope this answer is more inline with the intent of the thread )
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jan 20, 2018 13:12:06 GMT
Personally, I didn’t like Missy at all. So I’ve never analysed her personality as I always felt she went overboard except in the last episode.Then again, this is my view. I’m sure there are many others who liked her. I loved her. The best thing about the Capaldi era! x Didn't take long for a male to stick his oar in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 21:51:01 GMT
Being a woman myself, I just didn’t connect with her ( I hope this answer is more inline with the intent of the thread ) Yeah, it is. Sorry, just curious. I hope I didn't cause any offense.
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Post by rran on Jan 21, 2018 4:49:02 GMT
Being a woman myself, I just didn’t connect with her ( I hope this answer is more inline with the intent of the thread ) Yeah, it is. Sorry, just curious. I hope I didn't cause any offense. No worries. None taken.
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Post by Ela on Jan 21, 2018 5:50:03 GMT
You nailed it here. I too am uncomfortable with the idea that Timelords can change gender. Hmmm, a thought occurred to me after reading these replies. It makes me wonder if the idea of gender changing is more alarming to women than men these days, because men are more used to seeing the ideas that make up the gender male undermined whereas the the ideas that make up the gender female tend to be promoted. I don't see why changing the gender of a character would be more alarming to women than men, and I haven't seen any evidence that this is the case. I've seen many more men than women express alarm at the gender change of time lords, in particular.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 11:14:25 GMT
Firstly, why address this just to women? But that's how the question stands. Nope. I don't feel more "in touch" with her or her motives because she's a woman. I wasn't thrilled when they made her a woman because I'm not a fan of the idea that Timelords can change gender. I think Michelle Gomez did a great job, but I actually hated that she, unlike all the Masters before her, was motivated by wanting to be friends with the Doctor. That made no sense to me. Just to clarify: to me, it seemed like her storyline was working from gender stereotypes. The Master is now a woman, so of course, she's more in touch with her feelings and motivations then she was in her previous incarnations and that kind of makes me uncomfortable, as well as putting women on a pedestal (despite being a psychopathic murder). But, I don't know if that's just me and I just wanted to get a perspective from female fans about it.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jan 21, 2018 11:57:00 GMT
Hmmm, a thought occurred to me after reading these replies. It makes me wonder if the idea of gender changing is more alarming to women than men these days, because men are more used to seeing the ideas that make up the gender male undermined whereas the the ideas that make up the gender female tend to be promoted. I don't see why changing the gender of a character would be more alarming to women than men, and I haven't seen any evidence that this is the case. I've seen many more men than women express alarm at the gender change of time lords, in particular. Doesn't help that every gender change regeneration we have seen or heard about is from male to female.
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Post by elkawho on Jan 21, 2018 14:15:45 GMT
Firstly, why address this just to women? But that's how the question stands. Nope. I don't feel more "in touch" with her or her motives because she's a woman. I wasn't thrilled when they made her a woman because I'm not a fan of the idea that Timelords can change gender. I think Michelle Gomez did a great job, but I actually hated that she, unlike all the Masters before her, was motivated by wanting to be friends with the Doctor. That made no sense to me. Just to clarify: to me, it seemed like her storyline was working from gender stereotypes. The Master is now a woman, so of course, she's more in touch with her feelings and motivations then she was in her previous incarnations and that kind of makes me uncomfortable, as well as putting women on a pedestal (despite being a psychopathic murder). But, I don't know if that's just me and I just wanted to get a perspective from female fans about it. I'm not sold on the idea that a woman must be more in touch with her feelings than a man. I think society has changed to be more self-centered in general, and our art reflects that. Would the Third Doctor ever look at Jo and ask, "Am I a good man?" Never in a million years.
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