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Post by lurkerintheshadows on May 13, 2019 16:24:47 GMT
I'm really going to need to revisit the entire series to see how it all folds in together, but - WOW - what an amazing ending. Genuinely got very misty-eyed towards the end of it... enough mist to wreath the whole town of Collinsport, I'd guess. A stunning and affecting ending to a stunning and gripping series. In answer to a couple of points from Digi's post... {Spoiler} "Finally, the true face of Barnabas Collins" - what?
That is Jonathan Frid, presumably from his Big Finish return to the role, which is why he sounds much older than the archive material.
Bramwell Collins - Clearly a setup for the next miniseries, but beyond that I have no idea where he came from, he seemed to just suddenly be...there.
With Barnabas restored to his true body, the body he has occupied since 'The House of Despair' has been vacated and left... well, maybe not empty, but without Barnabas at the helm. And they've given him the name of the son Barnabas and Josette would have had if the whole curse thing hadn't happened in 1795 (and who they did have in a Parallel Time version of Collinwood.)
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Post by misterphipps on May 13, 2019 16:26:25 GMT
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Post by Digi on May 13, 2019 17:18:24 GMT
I'm really going to need to revisit the entire series to see how it all folds in together, but - WOW - what an amazing ending. Genuinely got very misty-eyed towards the end of it... enough mist to wreath the whole town of Collinsport, I'd guess. A stunning and affecting ending to a stunning and gripping series. In answer to a couple of points from Digi's post... {Spoiler} "Finally, the true face of Barnabas Collins" - what?
That is Jonathan Frid, presumably from his Big Finish return to the role, which is why he sounds much older than the archive material.
Bramwell Collins - Clearly a setup for the next miniseries, but beyond that I have no idea where he came from, he seemed to just suddenly be...there.
With Barnabas restored to his true body, the body he has occupied since 'The House of Despair' has been vacated and left... well, maybe not empty, but without Barnabas at the helm. And they've given him the name of the son Barnabas and Josette would have had if the whole curse thing hadn't happened in 1795 (and who they did have in a Parallel Time version of Collinwood.) Yeah no, I understood that -- what I don't understand is how/why they could do that, when Jonathan Frid has been dead for like 7 years. It's not like they can just have him return to his old body, and have Frid resume the role. How do you tell a story featuring Barnabas in a significant way if you're not able to use a living actor to do so?
I absolutely did not pick up on "Bramwell" being in the not-quite-Barnabas body though, just that (as you said) he seemed to just suddenly be there. I remain a little puzzled at that bit.
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Post by lurkerintheshadows on May 13, 2019 17:35:03 GMT
I'm guessing that... {Spoiler} With Barnabas and Julia restored to their own bodies and off on their explorations again, future developments are going to involve the rest of the extended DS family and f(r)iends, with Andrew Collins still on board as 'Bramwell'. Enough time has passed and there have been enough stories told by BF without either Barnabas or Julia that it no longer seems vital to keep Barnabas front and centre in the Dark Shadows universe. But we'll know that they're out there... somewhere...
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Post by newt5996 on May 13, 2019 18:07:42 GMT
Well, that was an interesting finale {Spoiler} -I loved the fact that Lilith was the villain and I have a feeling we may not have seen the last of her
-it was amazing to hear Jonathan Frid and Grayson Hall together
-I think giving Andrew Collins a new role as 'Bramwell' Collins is going to be interesting and it's obvious that he is going to be the one leading the Windcliff miniseries which is coming next
-the post credit sequence I think may be taking place in Parallel Time: Willie Loomis is never called William and the idea of Carolyn being attracted to him seems to be straight out of the Parallel Time Story
-Amy and David deciding not to get married yet still be friends is a suitable ending and having David go off to college feels like a nice parallel to Carolyn going to college in The Flip Side
-I loved the ending and think there's definitely a lot of material to continue without needing Barnabas and Julia
-we need to follow up on Cyrus and Sabrina, the son of the Dark Lord, and Tom
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Post by Digi on May 13, 2019 19:23:24 GMT
Not specifically Bloodline-related, but the official account retweeted this a few minutes ago:
So it appears there’s something else in the pipe, besides the two upcoming miniseries.
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Post by mark687 on May 13, 2019 21:14:07 GMT
Bloodline CD Dispatch info From the BF Newsfeed
Volume 1 of Dark Shadows Bloodline on CD is shipping today, and Volume 2 of Dark Shadows Bloodline on CD will be shipping at the end of the month. Both are available on download now.
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Post by bobod on May 13, 2019 22:00:35 GMT
Not specifically Bloodline-related, but the official account retweeted this a few minutes ago: So it appears there’s something else in the pipe, besides the two upcoming miniseries. It was announced at the same time as those, wasn't it? (Its existence, not its content.)
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Post by barnabaslives on May 13, 2019 22:24:11 GMT
Well, that was an interesting finale {Spoiler}-the post credit sequence I think may be taking place in Parallel Time: Willie Loomis is never called William and the idea of Carolyn being attracted to him seems to be straight out of the Parallel Time Story
{Spoiler}I think that was probably Nancy Barrett as Millicent Collins at the very end? what I don't understand is {Spoiler}how/why they could do that, when Jonathan Frid has been dead for like 7 years. It's not like they can just have him return to his old body, and have Frid resume the role. How do you tell a story featuring Barnabas in a significant way if you're not able to use a living actor to do so? {Spoiler} Well it certainly seems to prevent having post-Bloodline stories with Barnabas or Julia, but hopefully it doesn't rule out the possibility of pre-Bloodline stories with either one of them? I hope, anyway.
I think having Jonathan Frid resume the role courtesy of whichever recording was used as source brings the continuity in line with Frid's actual Big Finish appearance in The Night Whispers.
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Post by barnabaslives on May 13, 2019 23:49:02 GMT
I'm still about literally speechless at the final episodes and all of Bloodline in general. Phenomenal care and respect for the original series clearly went into Bloodline and it is most appreciated. Bloodline is easily the best Big Finish ever! (In my opinion of course, but by now I have heard a lot of Big Finish). :-) {Spoiler}
-It's sad that some of the unanswered questions didn't get tied up in passing because I think far too much went into this series for anything to be a mere throwaway, even the teases and red herrings were brilliant.
-All the same, the conclusion easily manages to not disappoint, which is truly amazing.
-No one will (or should) believe me now, lol - but I'd started to wonder about Julia by the end of Part 11 at the rate possible suspects were getting sent into the past - and who's the last person I'd suspect?
-Question, though (and I should probably already know the answer to it), but if David and Amy don't ever get married, how do they get divorced for the short stories? Do they decide to get married later after all, or is "divorced" close enough for when the groom vanishes into the past in the middle of the ceremony? :-)
Several original series spoilers for context: {Spoiler}
-Bramwell Collins was the last role that Jonathan Frid played in the original Dark Shadows series.
-The ending of Bloodline pays some very loving and very beautiful homage to the ending of the original series itself. I'm not sure who to start gushing praise at first, everyone did such a fantastic job on this, but that ending! - Davy Darlington has skillfully constructed some absolutely amazing conversations for Big Finish Dark Shadows before by incorporating original series audio, but he's really outdone himself here, not to mention all the wonderful music and pleasing arrangements of the original theme. After all the extraordinary authorship we've been treated to in this series, a wheelbarrow full of kudos to Alan for not only wrapping things up so well, but actually gift-wrapping them for those of us who've seen all of the original series. Thank you so much, everyone!!
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Post by Zagreus on May 14, 2019 0:39:38 GMT
Oh my! Now to go back and binge the whole thing again and take notes this time
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Post by DoctorScoffman on May 14, 2019 2:05:22 GMT
Holy Blue Whale, this series was good. It was... massive. No other way to describe it. Messy where it needed to be, but also tidy where it needed to be. Great work by writers, cast, and crew. {Spoiler} I'm also not sure the significance of the tag at the end with Millicent (?) and "William." I mean, I get from a plot perspective what happened, but I'm not sure why it's significant. Almost felt like an "extra" scene that was going to end up on the cutting-room floor, but instead they treated it like a Marvel Cinematic post-credits scene, so... yeah, I'm stumped. A few episodes ago, there was talk about how Barnabas didn't even remember his victims' names, so the resolution was set up well. Someone else pointed out that we didn't find out who Vivian was working for. I noticed this, too, but wondered if perhaps I was reading too much into her phone call. Was she actually working for someone, or just discussing her plot? A great excuse to go back and re-listen! I think it probably took the writers a lot of diligence to keep Maggie, Angelique, Trask and the newly returned Burke in the background on this one. I kept expecting them to come in with big roles at the end. But it worked. Not everyone can be the lead every time. I'm scratching my head as to why Lilith sent characters like Vivian, Ed, Jessica, and Marina back in time... I don't think Barnabas cared too much about any of them But the past adventures (especially Viv's!) were so fun, I'll just go with it! Hello, JuliUS Hoffman! I listened to Curse of Shurafa for the few time a week or so ago, and there's a bit about Barnabas wondering if Julia lost someone when she was young. Nice setup. Speculation: The "Thirteen" mini-series (April 2021?) will be about the 13 people who died in the hospital fire. Their names and the number of casualties were mentioned a few too many times for me to think it's all a coincidence.
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Post by DoctorScoffman on May 14, 2019 2:10:39 GMT
Not specifically Bloodline-related, but the official account retweeted this a few minutes ago: So it appears there’s something else in the pipe, besides the two upcoming miniseries. It was announced at the same time as those, wasn't it? (Its existence, not its content.) I think we get... - September 2019--Tony & Cassandra, Series 3
- April 2020--Windcliff (too long! NEED IT NOW!)
- September 2020--The mystery project mentioned above
- April 2021--Thirteen
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Post by Digi on May 14, 2019 2:20:25 GMT
Have Windcliff and Thirteen even been officially announced? I've gathered that their existence is out there and pretty generally known among people like us, but I don't remember ever seeing a Big Finish news piece about it.
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Post by DoctorScoffman on May 14, 2019 2:30:28 GMT
Have Windcliff and Thirteen even been officially announced? I've gathered that their existence is out there and pretty generally known among people like us, but I don't remember ever seeing a Big Finish news piece about it. Yes! Though "Thirteen" is a tentative title. Here's the announcement from Big Finish: www.bigfinish.com/news/v/dark-shadows-more-coming-soon
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Post by Digi on May 14, 2019 2:35:56 GMT
Have Windcliff and Thirteen even been officially announced? I've gathered that their existence is out there and pretty generally known among people like us, but I don't remember ever seeing a Big Finish news piece about it. Yes! Though "Thirteen" is a tentative title. Here's the announcement from Big Finish: www.bigfinish.com/news/v/dark-shadows-more-coming-soonAhh, I remember that article but don't remember seeing it waaaay down at the bottom. Thanks!
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Post by joehart1962 on May 14, 2019 4:31:50 GMT
Spoiler
So did Angelique cure Tom of the werewolf curse in that final scene in the cave? That would be monumental!
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Post by barnabaslives on May 14, 2019 4:34:50 GMT
Oh my! Now to go back and binge the whole thing again and take notes this time We do have a wee bit of work to do on those Collins Family Trees now, don't we? {Spoiler}
For what it's worth, somehow I'm still convinced that Geoffrey Collins was named in the original series by one of Joan Bennett's characters, and that Julia mentioned having a brother - not that I've ever succeeded in tracking down either episode again.
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Post by Joseph Lidster on May 14, 2019 8:20:28 GMT
Just a quick note re Barnabas at the end... {Spoiler} Julia's consciousness had been transferred into a different body so Lilith was able to just transfer her back. Barnabas's original body had been destroyed so she couldn't do that. She creates a new Jonathan Frid body "there, in the shadows" and transfers his consciousness into that. That leaves the Andrew Collins body as an empty shell "he's still breathing" which Barnabas calls Bramwell. Sorry if it's not clear, obviously there's a lot going on at the end.
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Post by Digi on May 14, 2019 13:09:31 GMT
Just a quick note re Barnabas at the end... {Spoiler} Julia's consciousness had been transferred into a different body so Lilith was able to just transfer her back. Barnabas's original body had been destroyed so she couldn't do that. She creates a new Jonathan Frid body "there, in the shadows" and transfers his consciousness into that. That leaves the Andrew Collins body as an empty shell "he's still breathing" which Barnabas calls Bramwell. Sorry if it's not clear, obviously there's a lot going on at the end. Ahhhh, got it! And hey, I accept blame rather than pointing any fingers at you guys. Clearly there were a couple of people in this thread who worked it out, I just didn’t myself
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