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Post by doctorkernow on Jul 28, 2018 19:48:27 GMT
Hello again.
Ho, ho, Season 24-The Panto Season. Such fun.
This season against Corrie, not a hope. Stupid scheduling decision to start with. Now here's a interesting thing; I watched the whole McCoy years in black and white.
This meant everything looked moodier and less garish to my eyes. I was a bit shocked when I saw Delta in colour. What on earth did they do to that baby? Child cruelty or was it some kind of filter.
Anyway, I like both for different reasons. Paradise Towers is a very creepy and sinister story. Unfortunately, there is little subtlety to the performances everyone is dialed up to ham factor 10. Richard Briers nearly had it right but his CroAgnon was embarrassing.
Delta is a scatty story with lots of plot holes and strange moments. However, it jollies along and I find it quite charming. Terribly flawed but with some enjoyable moments. Probably Mel's best story.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jul 28, 2018 20:30:58 GMT
Parasite Towers has the better ideas, it’s only the utterly OTT performance of Richard Byers that ruins it. It’s a weird mystery story full of the guest cast of Midsomer Murders. Delta and the Bananamen has a better cast (the unnecessary American not withstanding) and has some genuinely moving scenes but it’s daffy as the day is long.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 20:48:42 GMT
I must add as an afterthought the soundtracks to these stories. I for one often found them to be bombastic and out of step to the visuals at the time, during McCoy's run. And yet - I received the 25th Anniversary album on Vinyl for Xmas in 1988. The focus apart from the versions of the Ron Grainer theme, was the most recent incidental music only. Both the music suites for these stories were atmospheric and I can still remember listening to them in headphones lying on the floor, more vividly than the episodes themselves. Paradise Towers in particular gives an insight into what should have been on screen. To remember them so well gives some indication that the much maligned music of the time was merely out of place, but would have worked well with better on screen realisation of the scripts. They are decent music suites and perhaps made redundant by the quick editing of the time.
Has anyone else had opportunity to listen to these tracks? The more generous posters here tend to be looking at what could have been, as to what actually made its way onscreen. These tracks, perhaps offer a suggestion that you may be closer to what was hoped for at the time, by some of the production team.
How about BF 'remakes/reimaginings' of these scripts?
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Post by shutupbanks on Jul 29, 2018 0:52:23 GMT
Neither of them are very good, but Towers has the better script, Delta looks better and is more fun. It also gives an idea of the passage of time in a story a lot more realistically than many other stories. When it comes to a rewatch, though, it's Delta for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 1:01:39 GMT
I must add as an afterthought the soundtracks to these stories. I for one often found them to be bombastic and out of step to the visuals at the time, during McCoy's run. And yet - I received the 25th Anniversary album on Vinyl for Xmas in 1988. The focus apart from the versions of the Ron Grainer theme, was the most recent incidental music only. Both the music suites for these stories were atmospheric and I can still remember listening to them in headphones lying on the floor, more vividly than the episodes themselves. Paradise Towers in particular gives an insight into what should have been on screen. To remember them so well gives some indication that the much maligned music of the time was merely out of place, but would have worked well with better on screen realisation of the scripts. They are decent music suites and perhaps made redundant by the quick editing of the time. Has anyone else had opportunity to listen to these tracks? The more generous posters here tend to be looking at what could have been, as to what actually made its way onscreen. These tracks, perhaps offer a suggestion that you may be closer to what was hoped for at the time, by some of the production team. How about BF 'remakes/reimaginings' of these scripts? We've one for Paradise Towers(ish), a great little tale called Spaceport Fear with the Sixth Doctor and Mel.
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Post by mrperson on Jul 30, 2018 2:25:55 GMT
Oooof. Towers for concept. Bannerman for watchability (I don't think I was supposed to, but I laughed at it the whole way through). Poor McCoy. I love his BF Doctor. The scripts just were not there generally on TV (at least in my opinion). As a listener, I like that darker more manipulative regeneration. The one who really is dangerous. The one who apologizes but never entirely means it because he knows he cannot entirely mean it because reality really is a cold, nasty, indifferent place. There are things that can be done, but they can cost, too. He knows it, but also acts on it.
Perhaps it's for the best that 7 didn't fight in the War. Perhaps he'd go farther than the "War Doctor". Perhaps he'd...... win?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 10:07:51 GMT
[...] Poor McCoy. I love his BF Doctor. The scripts just were not there generally on TV (at least in my opinion). As a listener, I like that darker more manipulative regeneration. The one who really is dangerous. The one who apologizes but never entirely means it because he knows he cannot entirely mean it because reality really is a cold, nasty, indifferent place. There are things that can be done, but they can cost, too. He knows it, but also acts on it.
Perhaps it's for the best that 7 didn't fight in the War. Perhaps he'd go farther than the "War Doctor". Perhaps he'd...... win? The Seventh Doctor story that always sticks in the mind for me the most is Uninvited Guest. It starts with the Doctor gatecrashing an immortal dinner party hosted by a group of Eternals. They think he is here to admire the clock frozen in time by an atomic explosion too, but instead, he has a story to tell. He remembers a world, young and full of possibilities, that was facing many hardships, many trials. On one unusual day, the peoples of this fledgling world woke up and met their gods, who bestowed upon them the gift of the atom. The deities left, but their power remained. It grew and fostered fear in the hearts of those who lived on this tightening world. Until one day, that power became all-consuming and claimed everything. He reflects, wonders if the gods were saddened by this monstrous tragedy? Perhaps not. Perhaps this had been a game. A diverting amusement. The Eternals laugh off his attempts at making them guilty. He judges their game to be as hollow as the creatures themselves and they grow weary of him. They leer, sneer and make their displeasure known, but the Doctor apologises. He has a gift for them. A crystal. Bauble really. No larger than his hand. It slips from his grasp... And Time enters their realm with a thunderclap. As loud as the missiles that murdered that world. In the shattered aftermath, it all becomes clear. They are now mortal. They will age, grow old and die. Just as their toys did. He leaves them to their fate and as the guests are overwhelmed with the new sensations of their Ephemeral forms, they can hear one thing -- the clock in the back has begun ticking. It's a good one. Short, but very powerful.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jul 30, 2018 12:13:23 GMT
[...] Poor McCoy. I love his BF Doctor. The scripts just were not there generally on TV (at least in my opinion). As a listener, I like that darker more manipulative regeneration. The one who really is dangerous. The one who apologizes but never entirely means it because he knows he cannot entirely mean it because reality really is a cold, nasty, indifferent place. There are things that can be done, but they can cost, too. He knows it, but also acts on it.
Perhaps it's for the best that 7 didn't fight in the War. Perhaps he'd go farther than the "War Doctor". Perhaps he'd...... win? The Seventh Doctor story that always sticks in the mind for me the most is Uninvited Guest. It starts with the Doctor gatecrashing an immortal dinner party hosted by a group of Eternals. They think he is here to admire the clock frozen in time by an atomic explosion too, but instead, he has a story to tell. He remembers a world, young and full of possibilities, that was facing many hardships, many trials. On one unusual day, the peoples of this fledgling world woke up and met their gods, who bestowed upon them the gift of the atom. The deities left, but their power remained. It grew and fostered fear in the hearts of those who lived on this tightening world. Until one day, that power became all-consuming and claimed everything. He reflects, wonders if the gods were saddened by this monstrous tragedy? Perhaps not. Perhaps this had been a game. A diverting amusement. The Eternals laugh off his attempts at making them guilty. He judges their game to be as hollow as the creatures themselves and they grow weary of him. They leer, sneer and make their displeasure known, but the Doctor apologises. He has a gift for them. A crystal. Bauble really. No larger than his hand. It slips from his grasp... And Time enters their realm with a thunderclap. As loud as the missiles that murdered that world. In the shattered aftermath, it all becomes clear. They are now mortal. They will age, grow old and die. Just as their toys did. He leaves them to their fate and as the guests are overwhelmed with the new sensations of their Ephemeral forms, they can hear one thing -- the clock in the back has begun ticking. It's a good one. Short, but very powerful. I actually shuddered a bit at that. Where can i find the story?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 12:43:13 GMT
The Seventh Doctor story that always sticks in the mind for me the most is Uninvited Guest. It starts with the Doctor gatecrashing an immortal dinner party hosted by a group of Eternals. They think he is here to admire the clock frozen in time by an atomic explosion too, but instead, he has a story to tell. He remembers a world, young and full of possibilities, that was facing many hardships, many trials. On one unusual day, the peoples of this fledgling world woke up and met their gods, who bestowed upon them the gift of the atom. The deities left, but their power remained. It grew and fostered fear in the hearts of those who lived on this tightening world. Until one day, that power became all-consuming and claimed everything. He reflects, wonders if the gods were saddened by this monstrous tragedy? Perhaps not. Perhaps this had been a game. A diverting amusement. The Eternals laugh off his attempts at making them guilty. He judges their game to be as hollow as the creatures themselves and they grow weary of him. They leer, sneer and make their displeasure known, but the Doctor apologises. He has a gift for them. A crystal. Bauble really. No larger than his hand. It slips from his grasp... And Time enters their realm with a thunderclap. As loud as the missiles that murdered that world. In the shattered aftermath, it all becomes clear. They are now mortal. They will age, grow old and die. Just as their toys did. He leaves them to their fate and as the guests are overwhelmed with the new sensations of their Ephemeral forms, they can hear one thing -- the clock in the back has begun ticking. It's a good one. Short, but very powerful. I actually shuddered a bit at that. Where can i find the story? Unfortunately, it's still one of the very few uncollected stories of that era, so it requires a little digging. In this case, finding DWM 211. Strontium lining, though, it's written by Warwick Gray (better known these days by his pen name Scott Gray), who played a very heavy hand in the excellent Eighth Doctor and later Eleventh/Twelfth Doctor comic stories. All of which are currently back in print.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jul 30, 2018 12:51:47 GMT
I actually shuddered a bit at that. Where can i find the story? Unfortunately, it's still one of the very few uncollected stories of that era, so it requires a little digging. In this case, finding DWM 211. Strontium lining, though, it's written by Warwick Gray (better known these days by his pen name Scott Gray), who played a very heavy hand in the excellent Eighth Doctor and later Eleventh/Twelfth Doctor comic stories. All of which are currently back in print. So its a comic story then. Awesome will look
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