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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 8:04:52 GMT
For a large portion of its original run and now in BF, the classic era of Doctor Who has been dominated by the four-part format. An episode to establish, two episodes to develop and an episode to conclude. What are people's thoughts, why do we think this ended up being the case?
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Post by omega on Aug 10, 2018 8:32:51 GMT
Probably a combination of pacing and costs. Some of the 6+ episode stories could show padding (the last two episodes of The Mutants exist to fill out the run time, and Planet of Spiders has a whole episode that’s an extended chase scene), while doing two or three episode stories while doing 20+ episode seasons would cost more in terms of actors and sets. It’s only when the Seventh Doctor era has 14 episodes in each season that the three episode stories are more common (two three parters and two four parters per season). Even with four episodes a lot of stories wound up having gratuitous escape and recapture sequences, usually in episode 3. Talons of Weng-Chiang has Jago and Litefoot escape via dumb waiter only to get caught again upon escape, just to kill time. Snakedance episode three is basically the Doctor picking up some exposition on the Mara’s origins before escaping and getting caught in the cliffhanger (a notable rare Nysa scream).
Season 12 is an interesting look at this. By framing the season around the Nerva Beacon the sets were used for two different stories. Ark in Space was initially six episodes, but the last two went to what became The Sontaran Experiment, which was shot entirely on location and a minimum of props.
Seeds of Doom addresses the pacing issue by making the first two episodes set in Antartica with the other four on Chase’s estate where the main Krynoid threat is growing. Mind Robber has a very unique first episode that’s minimally furnished, and which was originally allocated as the last episode of The Dominators (five episodes of that is far too many, let alone six!). Fortunately the surreal nature of Mind Robber allowed this to benefit the story, much like when Frazer Hines had to miss an episode.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 9:55:46 GMT
For a large portion of its original run and now in BF, the classic era of Doctor Who has been dominated by the four-part format. An episode to establish, two episodes to develop and an episode to conclude. What are people's thoughts, why do we think this ended up being the case? Despite what I have read from writers who say that actually, three episodes is the perfect length for a story, as a listener I much prefer four-parters (with the occasional six-parter, more of which would be welcome. How about a six-parter to round off a series of 4DAs, for example?). Possibly this is to do with nostalgia. Memories of enjoying and being used to four-part stories when I used to watch Doctor Who during the classic run. Three cliffhangers, lots of time to get to know the characters, breathing space for quiet or eccentric moments, time to build atmosphere: these are all reasons I love the structure.
BF experimented with three-parters for a short while, and these stories felt short-changed as far as I was concerned. The magnificent Death Collectors cried out for a fourth episode, for example. And the additional single episodes - apart from Urgent Calls, because there has to be one exception - felt inconsequential. I've also found the four-part 4DAs far better and more well-rounded than stories half that length.
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 10, 2018 10:47:35 GMT
I'm not sure 4 parters were the default for the entirety of the original run. I remember reading that John Wiles decided to do 4 parters after the 12 part Dalek Masterplan and this was continued by Innes Lloyd for a time, hence the run of 4 part stories in seasons 3 & 4. But those 2 seasons aside, 4 parters don't become the norm until season 13 when the 4-4-4-4-4-6 model was adopted. Up to the end of the Pertwee era, other than the Wiles era, longer stories tended to be preferred on financial grounds in order to spread the costs of the sets over 6 episodes rather than 4.
JNT said he felt 4 parts was the optimum length for a story.
By the time BF started, 4 parts had become Dr Who's default, plus the running time available on a CD made 4 part stories the obvious option on double CD releases.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 20:55:49 GMT
I am old school i much prefer a four parter story with good cliffhangers.I like the establishing the scene and establishing the threat.Some two parters just seem to be over so fast no getting to know the characters the worlds etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 1:03:53 GMT
I'd love Big Finish to do another six-part 'special' release sometime.
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Post by omega on Aug 16, 2018 1:29:09 GMT
I'd love Big Finish to do another eight-part 'special' release sometime. A Third Doctor Adventures set would be cool for this. The first official UNIT story was eight episodes and season 7 was three seven episode stories.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 2:30:34 GMT
I'd love Big Finish to do another eight-part 'special' release sometime. A Third Doctor Adventures set would be cool for this. The first official UNIT story was eight episodes and season 7 was three seven episode stories. Ugh, I meant six I don't think there's any room on the Big Finish schedule for an eight-part story!
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Post by omega on Aug 16, 2018 2:39:47 GMT
A Third Doctor Adventures set would be cool for this. The first official UNIT story was eight episodes and season 7 was three seven episode stories. Ugh, I meant six I don't think there's any room on the Big Finish schedule for an eight-part story! I could easily have paid for a six episode length Time in Office, so much potential in the premise that was only beginning to get tapped.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 2:49:42 GMT
Ugh, I meant six I don't think there's any room on the Big Finish schedule for an eight-part story! I could easily have paid for a six episode length Time in Office, so much potential in the premise that was only beginning to get tapped. Eh, I think it'd be overkill if it was a six-parter. You can only strech the absurdity so far.
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Post by omega on Aug 16, 2018 3:22:07 GMT
I could easily have paid for a six episode length Time in Office, so much potential in the premise that was only beginning to get tapped. Eh, I think it'd be overkill if it was a six-parter. You can only strech the absurdity so far. Doing an episode following a regular Time Lord, with the Doctor stuff relegated to newscasts and a general visit. It shows day to day Time Lord stuff, looks at how the common man views politics and evokes Vengeance on Varos.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 3:27:14 GMT
Eh, I think it'd be overkill if it was a six-parter. You can only strech the absurdity so far. Doing an episode following a regular Time Lord, with the Doctor stuff relegated to newscasts and a general visit. It shows day to day Time Lord stuff, looks at how the common man views politics and evokes Vengeance on Varos. You don't want to strech the joke, though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 19:04:14 GMT
Notice that the Cold Fusion Novel Adaptation was split into 6 parts instead of 4 - that worked out perfectly, even though it was an 80s-esque multi-Doctor release. I honestly think they should do a Main Range experiment of such, like what they've done with the late spring/early summer Main Range two-parter trilogy (releases 224-226) last year; the longer, without the unnecessary padding, the better.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 26, 2018 19:10:47 GMT
Notice that the Cold Fusion Novel Adaptation was split into 6 parts instead of 4 - that worked out perfectly, even though it was an 80s-esque multi-Doctor release. I honestly think they should do a Main Range experiment of such, like what they've done with the late spring/early summer Main Range two-parter trilogy (releases 224-226) last year; the longer, without the unnecessary padding, the better. Cold Fusion was adapted by Lance Parkin from his own book, which was designed as a 6 parts anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 19:18:59 GMT
Notice that the Cold Fusion Novel Adaptation was split into 6 parts instead of 4 - that worked out perfectly, even though it was an 80s-esque multi-Doctor release. I honestly think they should do a Main Range experiment of such, like what they've done with the late spring/early summer Main Range two-parter trilogy (releases 224-226) last year; the longer, without the unnecessary padding, the better. Cold Fusion was adapted by Lance Parkin from his own book, which was designed as a 6 parts anyway.
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How interesting! 👍
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