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Post by melkur on Jul 17, 2019 22:33:13 GMT
'Relative Time' - A fun romp with 5 and Jenny. {Spoiler} Did we ever learn the name of the Time Lady who 'hung around' 9? I don't remember hearing it... Thanna according to Credit list on Product Page
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Thank you I don't tend to listen to the credits.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jul 17, 2019 22:37:42 GMT
still disappointed that download includes none of the premium art work, booklet etc gets included in the download...… even though its still a premium price...…. miserable gits when will they learn download is future and not second best. I like to think we can co-exist peacefully
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Post by sherlock on Jul 17, 2019 22:53:55 GMT
Relative Time{Spoiler} Unsurprisingly the dynamic between the Doctor and Jenny was very natural. The Nine made a good addition to the mix (interesting that the Doctor knew the Nine as early as his fifth incarnation). No idea who Thana the indestructible woman was, but the Doctor seemed to know her somehow. Not sure if that’s hinting at something to come in Legacy or a future release elsewhere (the TARDIS wiki has no reference for her, so she’s probably a new character). All in all a good romp.
More arc stuff; so it seems the damaged TARDIS was the very first TARDIS and it’s crash managed to splinter Earth’s timeline, which I presume is the cause of the holes in time in The Sacrifice of Jo Grant. Wonder where this is all heading...
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Post by melkur on Jul 17, 2019 22:55:57 GMT
Commander Stables and Spragg Street, a nice touch... After listening to parts 1-5, I'd have said it was a decent enough release (not a favourite, but 'decent enough'), but after listening to 'Collision Course'? Yeah, I'm definitely giving it a re-listen! {Spoiler} Why am I not surprised that Tennant had a cameo appearance?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 23:02:25 GMT
Collision Course done....wow. Might be one of my favourite 4th Doctor audios but ....no. There's just zero way to talk about it without spoilers. Sorry. Even you folks that don't mind spoilers - don't ruin a really lovely narrative for yourself. {Spoiler} The story of the Gallifreyan pioneers was just wonderful. It took us ALL the way back without getting too stuff and fan-servicey with Rassilon and Omega etc. This was more like Doctor Who's version of The Right Stuff. They weren't ham actors in silly outfits out for power - they were scientists and explorers. The duelling timelines worked fantastically well here because we had such contrasting companions in the "savage" and the "lady" - one who has all the guts, one with all the brains and both of whom have far more of the other than even they realise. The moment in here when Leela thinks her Doctor is dead is a better end for me than the one Tom actually got from TV. I was properly tearing up at that. No big speeches, just a lovely goodbye. Then her fury and sadness. I always smile when I read "Leela is overused" posts. If I had Lou Jameson on retainer, I'd have Leela travel with every Doctor - she's word perfect and never misses a line, she finds a way into every emotion and every reading. If there was any justice, she'd be Dame Louise Jameson as she can outact a lot of the G'n'T Dames who lucked out with a RSC gig 40 years ago and have coasted ever since. Now, the synopsis of this story kinda made it clear we were going multi-Doc here but I assumed it was just the Docs in the set...I kinda expected Tennant in the Davison story if anywhere so when he wasn't there with his family, I thought they were just not using him. I did not expect to get him here, much less with the First and Second Docs in tow, especially given they're getting their own multi-Doc story soon. I'm not even a Tenth Doctor fan by and large but hearing him coming out the TARDIS and shouting "BENNY! LEELA!" gave me chills. We've come ever so far. Remember when we didn't think BF could ever get the New Who licence? Now Tennant pals about with the black and white Docs. It was a real "Day Of The Doctor" ending in the best possible way. Yet I loved that it ended with them, just like in The Three, Five and Two Docs, bickering and all saying cheerio...then a quick line about how the adventure is only just beginning and BOOM. Credits. I think we live too often now in a place where pop culture, and led by Marvel, not letting us just have one story and finishing it, always making sure to set up something upcoming. It would have been easy to do that here - have a Time War post-credit thing or something like that but to leave us with Leela and Romana just saying "Where-ever and when-ever you are Doctor...fight the good fight". I can't imagine anything more Doctor Who than that. Very Uncle Terrance. A gorgeous end to a really strong set with loads of nice "things", lots of fan tit-bits and references along with touching shoutouts to Maggie Stables and Paul Spragg but most importantly...it wasn't about the references...it was the stories. They don't say it as much now but "We love stories" - you really do, BF. You really do. Here's to the next chapter. There'll be some bad stories. There'll be some fan service. There'll be some new ranges that people hate on announcement but love when they drop. There'll be actors getting closer to 90 than 80. There'll be sad stories, happy ones, funny ones. Masterpieces, romps, bases under siege, historicals and maybe even a talking Penguin. Surprises and cliches. Basically....there'll be more Big Finish. Come on DU, we've got work to do....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 23:08:08 GMT
A random thought about Charley and what she says to Sixie near the end of their story {Spoiler} I love that they brought up Zagreus and the Divergent Universe, even for a moment. It was a BIG deal, that stuff, regardless of subsequent feedback and BF hitting 50 and trying something so new and bold was admirable, sometimes awful - sometimes brilliant. I liked getting it namechecked.
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Post by eldersensorite on Jul 17, 2019 23:28:09 GMT
{Collision Course Spoilers}Wow, hearing David Tennant say things like Benny or Sirens of Time was... quite something. It was nice to have him make a cameo, I suppose I should have realised it was a possibility but I honestly didn't expect it at all. And this is something I haven't really noticed before (although I haven't heard the First Doctor Adventures audios) but... is it just me or does David Bradley sound more like Terrance Dicks than William Hartnell? It was a little off-putting for me listening to it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 23:50:28 GMT
Are there any essential audios that should be listened to before this? Lies in Ruin — Nah. As long as you know who Benny and River are, and that Eight was worn out by the time of The Night of the Doctor, you’ll be fine. The Split Infinitive — This one’s a little tricky because it’s very Counter-Measures heavy, and if you’re like me and almost completely unfamiliar, you may be a little lost. Imagine you’re a fan of Star Trek TNG and have never seen an episode of DS9, but you go watch DS9 episode 5.21 because someone told you it was a good Worf episode. Sure, you’ll get a story with a character you know, but a lot of the rest is going to leave you a bit cold simply because you/I have no investment in the other characters. It isn’t a bad story by any stretch of the imagination, just...heads up. The Sacrifice of Jo Grant — If you know who the Third Doctor, Jo Grant, Osgood, and Kate Stewart are, you’ll be absolutely fine. Relative Time — If you know who the Fifth Doctor, Jenny, and The Nine (like, The Eleven) are, you’ll be fine. That’s as far as I am right now though I'd guess the Counter Measures thing is a bit easier because they're known from TV when they were in Remembrance which is probably McCoy's most famous story . You can sum it up really easily enough even if someone hasn't seen that - proto-UNIT meets The Avengers. Few new members and they're run by Sir Toby who is their boss. Group Captain Chunky Gilmore is THE MAN...even if that's mostly because I love Simon Williams in Upstairs, Downstairs and if there was a god we would have had him play Biggles on screen. Later in the box though, someone may wonder, if one were only familiar with Charley via McGann's stories, why she's with Colin. I don't think it's necessary but like you say about CM might cause some to pause for a moment but I don't think it needs much. Likewise, DC Menzies is a Mancunian cop who has run into The Sixth Doc before but you need nothing more than that. I think they've clearly put effort in to make the stories work better for people who know all the BF anatomy..but still make sure they work fine for people who only know the skeleton. I think that's why the pairings are even familiar - we've seen McCoy with Counter Measures, McGann with River and Colin with Menzies all before but they presumably didn't want a whole set of "But you're not the Doctor, the Doctor is...."
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Post by constonks on Jul 18, 2019 2:50:42 GMT
Not sure if I'll finish this all tomorrow - it's SIX HOURS LONG - but oh boy am I going to download and start it as soon as I wake up. Hahahahahah yeah I listened to the whole thing today. My favourite parts, other than everything Jo Grant said and did, were the cameos - The Brig's radio call (a good fakeout - we think we're not going to hear his side and then BAM Jon Culshaw - marvellous) as well Tennant, Bradley and Hines turning up for very little reason and then swanning off when not needed. The stories were pretty good individually, with Sacrifice being the clear winner IMO. (Although I did realise one very sad missing piece from this celebration - Jago and Litefoot.)
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Post by barnabaslives on Jul 18, 2019 4:05:39 GMT
Great adventures and a lot of grins along the way - Doctor Who at it's best here, and so many giving their best. Nice job everyone! {Spoiler} Complaint: I think a couple of lines from Tim Treloar as well as David Bradley's opening lines might have benefited from retakes, especially Bradley's - I couldn't figure out who that was at first who was talking like they're The Doctor. I had a strange split second of thinking it was David Morrissey.
Not really much of a complaint, but it's about all I have.
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Post by Zagreus on Jul 18, 2019 4:07:58 GMT
Well that was a fun six hours! A few dry spots that I think could have been spiced up a bit, but overall enjoyable
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jul 18, 2019 8:54:20 GMT
Ok.. It's been 24 hours now. I have started my download..
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Post by mark687 on Jul 18, 2019 9:47:52 GMT
Apparently
Recoded specially for the Social Media Channels
Here it is
also on BF's YouTube Channel
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjE8drSMukM
Wrong to call a Prequal scene Perhaps?
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 18, 2019 10:38:50 GMT
Relative Time. Hmm, there’s a few good elements but the whole thing feels a little throwaway. The plot is a retro Voyage of the Damned without the star power of Kylie.
I liked the Fifth Doctor & Jenny’s rapport, but aside from their final, very meta interaction, it could’ve been any Doctor and guest character. I also liked The Nine and his continued development.
Yeah, there’s lots to like but I didn’t find it added up to a memorable whole. It doesn’t help that it’s comes straight after The Sacrifice of Jo Grant, which does the affectionate interactions better.
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Post by Digi on Jul 18, 2019 10:43:42 GMT
The Avenues of PossibilityAnother good, enjoyable story! Always nice to pop back into the Sixie/Charley timeframe, and Jonny Morris does so effortlessly here. The story feels completely natural, like it was something that was recorded but just didn't get released back in 2008-09. {Spoiler}Aaaand here we go with the Sirens! I wonder what it is that made them breach through in this particular timeframe, as opposed to the other ones we've seen up to this point? Was interesting to hear Charley confess her 'temporal status' to Sixie before she's actually supposed to. And a C'rizz namecheck! Aw, I miss him Kind of amused that it was Sixie who got his brain scrambled for a change. Nice change from it being Eight all the time And hey - the Sirens! And their plan being revealed! One thing I'm left confused about right at this point (and this perhaps might be resolved as I head into Part 6) : the TARDIS that's causing all this. The source of this temporal explosion causing the cracks and rifts and temporal holes is the dying TARDIS from Part 1, right? Whose TARDIS is it? How did it get to Earth? Was it put there on purpose by the Sirens? How did they get control of a TARDIS? Anyway...onward
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Post by captainpugwash on Jul 18, 2019 11:04:56 GMT
Sounds like this is BF’s version of the New Adventure Cats Cradle Times Crucible
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Post by xlozdob on Jul 18, 2019 11:08:34 GMT
The Split InfinitiveI enjoyed this one rather less, which really throws me because as a rule I almost always enjoy McCoy and I pretty much universally love anything that Mr Dorney writes. I don't want to sound overly critical here -- it's not that I think there was anything wrong with it -- rather, I have never followed the Counter-Measures range, so the assumed familiarity with the characters completely passed me by. And then to take that assumption and apply it to two separate plot threads, made it hard for me to find the story engaging. (Part 2) Even having listened all the way through, I had a hard enough time engaging that I'm still not totally clear on what this story was about. Something about the Doctor and Ace trying to catch a "sparkly" person in two different time periods? And then 'merging' that person / firing them off to some other time period by making them touch, which for some reason does that instead of dangerously sparking out (the Blinovitch Limitation Effect)?
Also (not a complaint) : caught me off guard that Peter Davison read the credits for this one? I can tell that I'd like this one a lot more if I had something (or indeed, anything at all) invested in Counter-Measures. Had the same problem, but for me, even if I'm not that familiarised with the team(s), Dorney's own enjoyment of writing the story sort of came through nonetheless, if that makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 12:00:57 GMT
While I'm sure anyone who read the synopsis knows what to expect in Ep 6....if you want to go in absolutely cold, I'd actually avoid that prequel clip. Though it did remind me of one thing I loved in the last story that just has to be intentionally meta, if not it's lovely co-incidence. {Spoiler} Colin was vocally peeved after The Day Of The Doctor that Tom got special treatment by being in the special with the others just covered by old clips and that he and the other classic Docs were being ignored. Essentially "It's all about Tom". Then now in the next multi-Doc story we get his Doctor literally saying to Tom's "It's not all about you, you know", the second he gets out the TARDIS to help save the day . All we need now is Colin's Doc to go on a rant about fan magazines ranking their favourites!
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Post by sanderf90 on Jul 18, 2019 14:06:22 GMT
Have listened to 2 out of 6 and so far enjoying it. I'm a newbie when it comes to Big Finish and so quite unfamiliar with characters like Bernice Summerfield and Counter Measures. Though I did catch some Bennie in The Eighth of March and will likely invest in more of hers soon, she's a delight. As for Counter Measures, I enjoyed the story itself but I did have trouble keeping track of their characters, may have to watch Revelation of the Daleks or listen to one or two of their spin-offs. Currently in the middle of episode 3 The Sacrifice of Jo Grant. And while I haven't finished it I did want to come in and say "I'm sorry Tim Treloar". I haven't vocally objected against Treloar's interpretation of the Third Doctor, but having caught trailers I have never been quite convinced by how his Third Doctor sounds. I thought it would be infinitely better to have someone like Jon Culshaw taken on the role instead, but while Culshaw is a perfect sound-a-like, I have to now apologize for Tim for judging a performance by its trailers. Having listened to only the first few moments of the story, I'm already fully ingrained into the story and enjoying it quite a bit. I also now have no trouble accepting Treloar as the Third Doctor and the more I listen to his performance, the more it fits. It is growing on me. Anyway back to Legacy of Time.
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Post by Digi on Jul 18, 2019 14:19:35 GMT
Collision Course{Spoiler}Bit of an odd narrative choice here to 'framing' it sometime during the Gallifrey timeframe and telling two distinct Four stories in flashback...but then that comes together very, very seamlessly. Like, genuinely surprisingly seamlessly. I was so pleased when Benny and Sixie showed up. I genuinely started grinning like an idiot when Tom showed up....and then Sylvester (turn the volume down on your trousers!), and Paul (the first time Eight has seen Romana & Leela in ages), and Peter All the Doctors around the original TARDIS console, how cool is that? That moment in Journey's End when the console was fully manned by all the Doctor's companions was awesome, but then to have six Doctors manning the console? And then Ten and One and Two (I assume Frazer?) show up!!! (that squeeeeeeeeeee noise you just heard from across the Atlantic was me ) Oh my exploding fan heart!! I'll admit I did find the final resolution a little strangely abrupt, but I don't think it detracted from the story overall - I am very, very happy with this final episode. Observation #1: When Leela says that the Doctor has too many face, Romana comments that that's not even half....after having just seen nine of them. Eighteen is more faces for the Doctor is more faces than we've seen in any media yet Observation #2: This group of pioneering Gallifreyan time travelers, by virtue of what they're doing, are elevating their people from "Gallifreyan" to "Time Lord." Could it be that Big Finish just slyly implied that "The Other" is actually a group....or perhaps that, in making sure their voyage is recorded as historically successful, that The Doctor is The Other? Just a thought I had - no need to take it overly seriously. I just thought it was fun
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