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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 6, 2018 0:01:38 GMT
I feel like in discussion about Trial of a Timelord, this one always seems to get shoved aside or paved over. Plus, online reviews seem to be sniffy towards it. But how do you find this Christie-esque tale of evil plants?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 1:28:54 GMT
It's actually a fairly decent murder mystery -- and impromptu caper -- with only two real problems working against it.
The first primarily symptomatic of the season's rather troubled production period: the Trial scenes by this point in the narrative, unfortunately, basically exist only as filler and actually confuse the narrative a little by their inclusion. Aside from maybe one or two scenes, if they were removed the story would be able to function on its own merits. Get Colin Baker and Bonnie Langford into ADR over one of the static shots or a bit of model footage and you could broadcast it as a Trial-less rerun.
The other is that we don't actually learn who the initial murderer was. I think it was Edwardes, but he's killed at the end of "Part One" ("We don't want you breaking your neck, not until--"), so it's unlikely that he was working alone. It's possible that Doland was collaborating with him to sell off the Vervoids and someone had to set up that light-trap to trigger them in the first place. Someone with a little knowledge of their biology. My money's on the stewardess, Janet, as a member of the consortium Doland mentions would be interested in purchasing them for slave labour. A gambit not too far removed from what Burke tries to do to Ripley and Newt in Aliens. The Hyperion disappears under mysterious circumstances, the cargo is presumed lost and then her company pops up with a species not entirely unlike the Vervoids. No one to contradict their story of where they got them from.
Buuuut, it's all speculation, though. It's not in the script itself. That said, I still find it a really enjoyable adventure in spite of that. The Doctor's put into the action almost immediately, Mel gets a fair amount to do and there's enough going on with the guest cast that the four episodes just zip by when we're on Hyperion.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 6, 2018 4:10:04 GMT
OMG ... Wolfie, you’re right. They never do reveal who the initial murderer was. Maybe it was rhe Valeyard.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 4:30:33 GMT
OMG ... Wolfie, you’re right. They never do reveal who the initial murderer was. Maybe it was rhe Valeyard. Hey, yeah! All he'd have to do is nip forward into the future, make sure things ran on course, but change a few things here and there to besmirch the Doctor's good character as much he can. What if it was the Valeyard, disguised as Sixie, with the fire axe in the communications room instead?
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Post by shutupbanks on Oct 6, 2018 4:55:17 GMT
It's an ok story but suffers a little bit from Oops-we-ran-out-of-money syndrome. Effects are all right, performances are solid, story's decent, I love the relationship between Mel and Sixie in it, but it doesn't have Peri "dying", isn't a season opener and isn't a finale. It just exists as an adequate piece of television.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 6, 2018 4:55:48 GMT
Well, if thr Valeyard won and stole the Doctor’s regenerations he’d be in the Doctor’s body wouldn’t he?
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Post by thethirddoctor on Oct 6, 2018 12:03:50 GMT
Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 12:24:22 GMT
This was the weakest of the series for me, and yet the Vervoids looked pretty good. There was a cliffhanger that I thought was one of the highpoints of the entire run, which was glossed over pretty quickly after the next episode ... {Spoiler} ... the discovery of a half-human, half-Vervoid hybrid which was heart-breaking and terrifying at the same time! But the rest was pretty dull. Even a very good cast couldn't lift it, although I remember being very taken with Janet (the late Yolande Palfrey) and hoping she could become a new companion. The low-point was Colin arsing about on the exercise bike - he played the humiliation with gusto as always, but I mean really! Enjoyable on one level, this is definitely the cheapie of the series which, in a reduced run of episodes, is more noticeable than ever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 12:46:16 GMT
Yeah, it was. For me Terror of the Vervoids was a mess and was very typical of televised Doctor Who in that era... as in, an advert for all the problems Doctor Who suffered from back then. (JNT, script, production, budget, etc...) Terror of the Vervoids has no redeeming qualities for me at all.
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 6, 2018 12:54:07 GMT
Only just recently having watched the Trial of a Timelord for the first time, and it was much better than I had dreaded. But the previous story was indeed better. I loved the audio commentary; especially Colin commenting to the writers about the exercise bike scene...
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Post by eric009 on Oct 7, 2018 16:42:43 GMT
at the moment I just about to start sixie run I put on hold to a watch all first storeys of each doctor because of tonight I watch all the shows they are a few I like not to watch but watching them make enjoying the good ones better 7/10 I give the story it could have a dam sight worse
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Post by Ela on Oct 7, 2018 21:51:26 GMT
I have to admit that I enjoyed Terror of the Vervoids. But I love old Sixie, so there's that.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 7, 2018 21:57:30 GMT
Its fine kind of middling Not as good as Mindwarp about the same as Mysterious Planet, better then the Ultimate Foe.
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Post by glutamodo on Oct 8, 2018 0:57:50 GMT
The Terror of Costume Design Failure? Beyond that, the story wasn't too bad, it sort of feels like it was written backwards though, it had to end with genocide and they backtracked to that conclusion.
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