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Post by dasmaniac on Nov 29, 2018 17:55:14 GMT
Unlike the Doctor, most of the Master's incarnations don't have official names. Some of them are referred to by their actor's names. Some of them have fan names like the Decayed Master or the Tremas Master. The following incarnations don't really have names:
- Delgado - Tipple? - Roberts -MacQueen - Simm
Roberts' Master will be appearing in an upcoming audio so perhaps that incarnation will get an official name. Some of the others have yet to be featured in Big Finish audios.
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Post by Digi on Nov 29, 2018 17:56:29 GMT
Personally, I call the Beevers incarnation the Crispy Master.
And I’ve usually heard Simm’s referred to as the (Harold) Saxon Master.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 29, 2018 18:09:17 GMT
Unlike the Doctor, most of the Master's incarnations don't have official names. Some of them are referred to by their actor's names. Some of them have fan names like the Decayed Master or the Tremas Master. The following incarnations don't really have names: - Delgado - Tipple? - Roberts -MacQueen - Simm Roberts' Master will be appearing in an upcoming audio so perhaps that incarnation will get an official name. Some of the others have yet to be featured in Big Finish audios. Roberts' Master is like Tremas, he's the Bruce Master.
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Post by constonks on Nov 29, 2018 18:10:28 GMT
Here are the names that appear on my timeline:
First Master (Dreyfus) UNIT Master (Delgado) Decayed Master (Pratt/Beevers) Tremas Master (Ainley) Tzun Master (The VNAs) Unknown Master (Tipple) Deathworm Master (Roberts/Beevers in Mastermind) Resurrected Master (Macqueen)* War Child Master (Titan Comics) Yana Master (Jacobi) Harold Saxon Master (Simm) Missy (Gomez)
EDIT: I originally had "Harcourt De'ath" but then checked and it's definitely "Resurrected". Also added Tipple.
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Post by jacobz40 on Nov 29, 2018 18:12:56 GMT
Here's the names that appear on my timeline: First Master (Dreyfus) UNIT Master (Delgado) Decayed Master (Pratt/Beevers) Tremas Master (Ainley) Tzun Master (The VNAs) Deathworm Master (Roberts/Beevers in Mastermind) Harcourt De'ath Master (Macqueen) War Child Master (Titan Comics) Yana Master (Jacobi) Harold Saxon Master (Simm) Missy (Gomez) On the Wikipedia article for the upcoming River Song box set with the Masters, Jacobi is referred to as the War Master in keeping with the Big Finish naming. Roberts is referred to as the Morphant Master, but I don't believe that's from any official source. I think Jacobi and Gomez are the only incarnations of the character to whom names have been given by any official source.
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Post by constonks on Nov 29, 2018 18:15:23 GMT
Here's the names that appear on my timeline: First Master (Dreyfus) UNIT Master (Delgado) Decayed Master (Pratt/Beevers) Tremas Master (Ainley) Tzun Master (The VNAs) Deathworm Master (Roberts/Beevers in Mastermind) Harcourt De'ath Master (Macqueen) War Child Master (Titan Comics) Yana Master (Jacobi) Harold Saxon Master (Simm) Missy (Gomez) On the Wikipedia article for the upcoming River Song box set with the Masters, Jacobi is referred to as the War Master in keeping with the Big Finish naming. Roberts is referred to as the Morphant Master, but I don't believe that's from any official source. I think Jacobi and Gomez are the only incarnations of the character to whom names have been given by any official source. I think my reasoning for avoiding calling Jacobi the War Master is that in the grand scheme of things (ie. Including Titan Comics) he's not the ONLY War Master.
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Post by dastari on Nov 29, 2018 18:45:35 GMT
I always called the Master from The Deadly Assassin and Keeper of Traken the "Corpse Master".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 18:48:03 GMT
Pugh,Pugh,Barney McGrew,Cuthbert,Dibble & Grubb
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Post by CookieMaster on Nov 29, 2018 21:21:16 GMT
I quite like "Mr Velveteen" and "The Snake" to describe Ainley and Roberts, said by MacQueen's Master in "The Two Masters". That's a little bit official I guess?
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Post by constonks on Nov 29, 2018 22:27:29 GMT
I quite like "Mr Velveteen" and "The Snake" to describe Ainley and Roberts, said by MacQueen's Master in "The Two Masters". That's a little bit official I guess? I haven't picked up the book yet, but the sample of the Missy Chronicles includes this wonderful line from Dismemberment as the newly regenerated Mistress is being kicked out of a gentlemen's club for not being a gentlemen: "Look at me. You can see who I am. This is my chair. I've sat in it wearing several different bodies and once as a snake without a murmur. Don't be boring." So as much as "Deathworm Morphant" is a more in-universe answer, I do have a bit of a soft spot for "The Snake".
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 29, 2018 22:37:18 GMT
And Dreyfuss?
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Post by constonks on Nov 29, 2018 22:48:54 GMT
He's got a pretty official name - The First Master. EDIT: The Missy Chronicles also gives Missy a potential number for her incarnation - #19, as she describes her life as such: "Born, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Took over some bloke's body, Died, Died, Died, Became a human, Stopped being a human, Died, Died, Became a woman, Ruled!" 1. "Born, Died, (Dreyfus) 2-12. Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, (Delgado & 10 others) 13. Died, (Beevers/Pratt/Ainley/Tzun/Beevers again/Tipple) After 13. Took over some bloke's body, (Bruce, presumably, but there have been so many blokes' bodies...) 14. Died, (could be the Mastermind Master while he's still wearing "some bloke's body", could also be Macqueen?) 15. Died, (could also potentially be Macqueen?) 16. Died, (War Child) 17. Became a human, Stopped being a human, Died, (Jacobi) 18. Died, (Simm) 19. Became a woman, Ruled!" (Missy) But I don't think calling Simm the Eighteenth Master, Jacobi the Seventeenth, and so on will ever catch on (and it'll probably just be contradicted eventually).
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 29, 2018 23:38:39 GMT
He's got a pretty official name - The First Master. EDIT: The Missy Chronicles also gives Missy a potential number for her incarnation - #19, as she describes her life as such: "Born, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Took over some bloke's body, Died, Died, Died, Became a human, Stopped being a human, Died, Died, Became a woman, Ruled!" 1. "Born, Died, (Dreyfus) 2-12. Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, (Delgado & 10 others) 13. Died, (Beevers/Pratt/Ainley/Tzun/Beevers again/Tipple) After 13. Took over some bloke's body, (Bruce, presumably, but there have been so many blokes' bodies...) 14. Died, (could be the Mastermind Master while he's still wearing "some bloke's body", could also be Macqueen?) 15. Died, (could also potentially be Macqueen?) 16. Died, (War Child) 17. Became a human, Stopped being a human, Died, (Jacobi) 18. Died, (Simm) 19. Became a woman, Ruled!" (Missy) But I don't think calling Simm the Eighteenth Master, Jacobi the Seventeenth, and so on will ever catch on (and it'll probably just be contradicted eventually). I thought Jacobi's memories of being a child (War Child) were entirely fabricated by the watch.
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Post by jacobz40 on Nov 29, 2018 23:42:29 GMT
He's got a pretty official name - The First Master. EDIT: The Missy Chronicles also gives Missy a potential number for her incarnation - #19, as she describes her life as such: "Born, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Took over some bloke's body, Died, Died, Died, Became a human, Stopped being a human, Died, Died, Became a woman, Ruled!" 1. "Born, Died, (Dreyfus) 2-12. Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, (Delgado & 10 others) 13. Died, (Beevers/Pratt/Ainley/Tzun/Beevers again/Tipple) After 13. Took over some bloke's body, (Bruce, presumably, but there have been so many blokes' bodies...) 14. Died, (could be the Mastermind Master while he's still wearing "some bloke's body", could also be Macqueen?) 15. Died, (could also potentially be Macqueen?) 16. Died, (War Child) 17. Became a human, Stopped being a human, Died, (Jacobi) 18. Died, (Simm) 19. Became a woman, Ruled!" (Missy) But I don't think calling Simm the Eighteenth Master, Jacobi the Seventeenth, and so on will ever catch on (and it'll probably just be contradicted eventually). I thought Jacobi's memories of being a child (War Child) were entirely fabricated by the watch. The War Child is an actual thing (according to the comics). It's a bit weird to try to make everything conform, but the going interpretation from Big Finish is that the Jacobi incarnation did in fact have a life where he actually did things and then the chameleon arch made him turn into a baby (I think. I'll do a re-listen before the next set comes out next month). So if we're putting all the expanded universe stuff together, the most cohesive story seems to be "existed as the War Child, regenerated/aged/it's not really clear into the Jacobi incarnation, did all that War Master stuff, then human-ed himself into a baby human.
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Post by Star Platinum on Nov 30, 2018 0:03:15 GMT
I thought Jacobi's memories of being a child (War Child) were entirely fabricated by the watch. The War Child is an actual thing (according to the comics). It's a bit weird to try to make everything conform, but the going interpretation from Big Finish is that the Jacobi incarnation did in fact have a life where he actually did things and then the chameleon arch made him turn into a baby (I think. I'll do a re-listen before the next set comes out next month). So if we're putting all the expanded universe stuff together, the most cohesive story seems to be "existed as the War Child, regenerated/aged/it's not really clear into the Jacobi incarnation, did all that War Master stuff, then human-ed himself into a baby human. I heard about that child body and thought it was a terrible idea. It's one thing I ignore, and really do hope is excised later on down the line.
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Post by constonks on Nov 30, 2018 0:03:40 GMT
I thought Jacobi's memories of being a child (War Child) were entirely fabricated by the watch. The War Child is an actual thing (according to the comics). It's a bit weird to try to make everything conform, but the going interpretation from Big Finish is that the Jacobi incarnation did in fact have a life where he actually did things and then the chameleon arch made him turn into a baby (I think. I'll do a re-listen before the next set comes out next month). So if we're putting all the expanded universe stuff together, the most cohesive story seems to be "existed as the War Child, regenerated/aged/it's not really clear into the Jacobi incarnation, did all that War Master stuff, then human-ed himself into a baby human. That's not a stretch, that's literally what happened. The kid regenerated into Jacobi in the comic:
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 30, 2018 0:21:09 GMT
The War Child is an actual thing (according to the comics). It's a bit weird to try to make everything conform, but the going interpretation from Big Finish is that the Jacobi incarnation did in fact have a life where he actually did things and then the chameleon arch made him turn into a baby (I think. I'll do a re-listen before the next set comes out next month). So if we're putting all the expanded universe stuff together, the most cohesive story seems to be "existed as the War Child, regenerated/aged/it's not really clear into the Jacobi incarnation, did all that War Master stuff, then human-ed himself into a baby human. That's not a stretch, that's literally what happened. The kid regenerated into Jacobi in the comic: Yeah we don’t know how Macqueen becomes the Child (assuming Macqueen does and not another incarnation between them), but we see the child regenerate into Jacobi. I’m not really sure why some people think he aged rather than regenerated as it seemed like a pretty clear cut standard New Who regeneration to me. I’d argue that it’d be difficult for what was clearly an Asian Child to regenerate into an older white man, but some people use the fact that the child Master was drawn incredibly inconsistently and often did look white. But then, the War Doctor looked like Mavic Chen for some reason so it’s difficult to tell. But there is a close-up shot of his face done by a different artist and he’s definitely Asian there so I find it difficult not to look at him as separate from Jacobi. And then Jacobi does indeed get reduced to a child and all of Yana’s memories are true, unlike John Smith’s, which were fabricated.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 30, 2018 0:22:49 GMT
I thought Jacobi's memories of being a child (War Child) were entirely fabricated by the watch. The War Child is an actual thing (according to the comics). It's a bit weird to try to make everything conform, but the going interpretation from Big Finish is that the Jacobi incarnation did in fact have a life where he actually did things and then the chameleon arch made him turn into a baby (I think. I'll do a re-listen before the next set comes out next month). So if we're putting all the expanded universe stuff together, the most cohesive story seems to be "existed as the War Child, regenerated/aged/it's not really clear into the Jacobi incarnation, did all that War Master stuff, then human-ed himself into a baby human. Having just relistened to the last track of The Heavenly Paradigm the Master uses the arch to release enough artron energy to de-age himself while achieving human form, which sounds similar to the rubbish in the comic but is actually quite different. And that works fine for me. (I don't count the comics anyway outside stories about that universe fwiw. Nor the novels or short stories either, however entertaining.)
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Post by dorney on Nov 30, 2018 2:13:09 GMT
He's got a pretty official name - The First Master. EDIT: The Missy Chronicles also gives Missy a potential number for her incarnation - #19, as she describes her life as such: "Born, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Took over some bloke's body, Died, Died, Died, Became a human, Stopped being a human, Died, Died, Became a woman, Ruled!" 1. "Born, Died, (Dreyfus) 2-12. Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, Died, (Delgado & 10 others) 13. Died, (Beevers/Pratt/Ainley/Tzun/Beevers again/Tipple) After 13. Took over some bloke's body, (Bruce, presumably, but there have been so many blokes' bodies...) 14. Died, (could be the Mastermind Master while he's still wearing "some bloke's body", could also be Macqueen?) 15. Died, (could also potentially be Macqueen?) 16. Died, (War Child) 17. Became a human, Stopped being a human, Died, (Jacobi) 18. Died, (Simm) 19. Became a woman, Ruled!" (Missy) But I don't think calling Simm the Eighteenth Master, Jacobi the Seventeenth, and so on will ever catch on (and it'll probably just be contradicted eventually). On a pure technicality... I wouldn’t go so far as to say Dreyfus is ‘officially’ the first Master. I think Nick has specified it as being deliberately open in the stories in an old Vortex, and there’s nothing in the scripts that suggests this.
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Post by constonks on Nov 30, 2018 2:43:50 GMT
He's got a pretty official name - The First Master. On a pure technicality... I wouldn’t go so far as to say Dreyfus is ‘officially’ the first Master. I think Nick has specified it as being deliberately open in the stories in an old Vortex, and there’s nothing in the scripts that suggests this. Hm, that's interesting, given that the news posts called him the first one when he was announced and he was supposed to be fresh from Gallifrey. He could have had more than one incarnation before leaving though, certainly - he was younger-looking than the Doctor, after all.
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