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Post by Bazoolium on Dec 1, 2018 22:06:14 GMT
I'm not exactly sure how to define the question I'm trying to ask, but here goes.
Over the course of Matt Smith’s first few series I could tell you everything about Doctor Who. Which bits were shot first, the titles of the episodes in order with the names of all the writers. I would know behind the scenes titbits and would rewatch the stories more than I ever did previously or since.
Since that period, I still watch the show and enjoy it, but I don’t know everything about it anymore. This could be down to me discovering Big Finish in 2013 and having my attention diverted by what quickly became my favourite version of Doctor Who (although, there are some novels and comics I love too).
It’s not that I liked Capaldi less, his final series was brilliant. I’m just not engaging with the show in the same way.
Was there a point in your life when you reach peak engagement with Doctor Who? I’m sure there are folk on here who have been watching the show long before I ever did, 2005 btw.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Dec 2, 2018 0:50:27 GMT
I'm not exactly sure how to define the question I'm trying to ask, but here goes. Over the course of Matt Smith’s first few series I could tell you everything about Doctor Who. Which bits were shot first, the titles of the episodes in order with the names of all the writers. I would know behind the scenes titbits and would rewatch the stories more than I ever did previously or since. Since that period, I still watch the show and enjoy it, but I don’t know everything about it anymore. This could be down to me discovering Big Finish in 2013 and having my attention diverted by what quickly became my favourite version of Doctor Who (although, there are some novels and comics I love too). It’s not that I liked Capaldi less, his final series was brilliant. I’m just not engaging with the show in the same way. Was there a point in your life when you reach peak engagement with Doctor Who? I’m sure there are folk on here who have been watching the show long before I ever did, 2005 btw. Odd question in some ways. I never engaged with the show like that because to me that just isn't important. Oh I picked up a fair bit from osmosis, like you do, but knowing what scenes were shot first, the exact titles and exactly who wrote what, Yeah I sorta know that, and I can check it up if I want but it just isn't important to me. To each their own I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 1:09:47 GMT
I think age has a lot to do with it. Different times in your life, different things take priority. I love the show a lot, but I just don't have the time I once did to sit down and listen to everything available. For me personally, I find it really hard to think of a particular moment as it would really depend on which part of the show we were looking at.
It might have kicked off with me finding Big Finish from a Google search of Etra Prime from one of the Doctor Who Annuals. That would've been roughly the time that The Raincloud Man came out. It became a big fixture of entertainment after that point and I spent a lot of time listening to each story in my off-time when I could. I was watching the Classic Series, NuWho and listening to it all at once, so it ended up being a really rich collection of experiences. The Daleks Master Plan one week. Patient Zero, the next. Midnight after that. It felt like a lot.
On the other hand, during the Moffat era, I didn't know as much about the television series as I had previously, but I learnt a tonne about the novels, comics and Wilderness Years. I bought Justyce Served just so I could read about the behind-the-scenes stuff for Audio Visuals, Big Finish's predecessor, and managed even to track down the plays themselves. They're still some of my favourite stories in Who with shout-outs to them all over the place; from chapter titles to actual appearances. I was probably the most engaged with the EU than I had been up until that point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 12:54:33 GMT
The Matt Smith/Ponds era has been my favourite, but I agree with charlesuirdhein. I have never engaged with the show in the way you do. Never really been interested in when scenes were shot & where etc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 13:10:00 GMT
I'm not exactly sure how to define the question I'm trying to ask, but here goes. Over the course of Matt Smith’s first few series I could tell you everything about Doctor Who. Which bits were shot first, the titles of the episodes in order with the names of all the writers. I would know behind the scenes titbits and would rewatch the stories more than I ever did previously or since. Since that period, I still watch the show and enjoy it, but I don’t know everything about it anymore. This could be down to me discovering Big Finish in 2013 and having my attention diverted by what quickly became my favourite version of Doctor Who (although, there are some novels and comics I love too). It’s not that I liked Capaldi less, his final series was brilliant. I’m just not engaging with the show in the same way. Was there a point in your life when you reach peak engagement with Doctor Who? I’m sure there are folk on here who have been watching the show long before I ever did, 2005 btw. I think it was 2015 for me. I was a huge fan when I was smaller, collecting action figures, stickers, Battles in Time, magazines etc, but in 2015 I really plugged into Dr Who in a way I hadn’t before, in terms of learning more than I previously had done, watching. Torchwood, getting more Big Finish, novels etc.
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Post by jasonward on Dec 2, 2018 14:20:11 GMT
My interest in Who has waxed and waned over the years, Tom Bakers tenure was a must see, but by the time of Colin Baker I was struggling with my interest in the show, I got interested again once Sylvester McCoy took over, then the show was cancelled and I eventually found BF. Since the revival, the show has been something I've enjoyed and wanted to see, but it's never had the level of must see that I felt with the first seasons of Lost or with Game of Thrones. This latest season though has a stronger pull on me than other revival seasons.
However, like others have said, Ive never know about location shoots etc, except what I occasionally gleamed and remembered from the various "making of" shows over the years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 14:33:02 GMT
Probably sometime in the mid-to-late 90s - the videos became affordable, there were more reference books to read about the making of the show and UK Gold showed the series in order each weeekend. I was also getting all the novels at the time, especially after the 8DAs launched as it was "new" Who.
It constantly felt like the show was *just* about to come back too. There wasn't an issue of DWM that didn't have some sort of rumour, or fancast or letter with a pitch for a new series. Things like Doctor Who Night felt like predecessors to bringing the show back too.....though ultimately it'd be another 3 years before the Beeb got serious about it and another 6 before it actually came back.
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Post by shutupbanks on Dec 2, 2018 21:32:08 GMT
1984 was probably my peak engagement with the show. I'd discovered DWM the previous year - just before the 20th anniversary, as it happens, so it was like pouring petrol onto a fire - and it changed me from someone who loved the show but knew very little about it into somebody who became quite annoying about production codes, location filming and guest actors. On the plus side, it also made me aware of what other things people had done so I became interested in other shows that featured actors, writers and directors from Who which made me more catholic in my tastes and more prepared to give something a go than I had previously because of the increasingly obscure connections with Doctor Who. Which, on reflection, is probably why I enjoy Who's Round so much because of that history-by-association.
It also affected my reading: if there was a quote or a reference I would often go and search it out, because it had been mentioned in Doctor Who, so I became a little more receptive to poetry and other plays - Terrance Dicks' novelisations and the Letts/ Hinchcliffe/ Williams eras in general were fantastic for throwing in references to classical literature so I became a little bit of a magpie for stuff that had been mentioned in a story and where it came from, so I might clarify the above and say that from about 1977 onwards was my peak engagement but 1984 was when I started to get really obsessive about it
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Post by Jeedai on Dec 3, 2018 3:38:13 GMT
The Matt Smith years for me. I'd been watching the revival since the "Rose" but Eleven's run is when I couldn't get enough and eventually binged all the classic series between seasons, at least half of which I'd never seen before. And watched some of those all over again during BBC America's Doctor-a-month retrospective specials. Also started looking at the comics during that time, but I've dropped off since. Plus that's when Eight's BF companions got named-dropped (in "Night Of The Doctor,") which is what led me towards the audios.
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Post by glutamodo on Dec 3, 2018 4:49:44 GMT
When I found that PBS Denver was showing DW in early 1982, it was a full story every Sunday Morning - all Tom Baker. Then they started "stripping" the show,showing one episode every weekday evening at 530PM. So I was watching DW like 6 days a week - again, all Tom. Then Peter came along and the weekday stories flipped backwards to Pertwee. Lots and Lots of DW for me back then. Was that a peak? I don't know, yes probably. I remember bicycling a couple of miles to the B. Dalton bookstore and buying the Programme Guide - that was how I first gained an inkling of the history of the show.
Still, I got excited when Colin came along - I liked having another manic Baker in the role... and then came the hiatus... and then the axe happened and that rather killed it for me. I gave McCoy a chance, but the show didn't feel the same to me anymore. I should have stuck it out, giving up about halfway through McCoy's run, just about the time the show got good again.
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 3, 2018 10:26:22 GMT
Hmmm... Only in the past 2 years I am afraid. Before I was just watching it without emotional attachment, and before that I was forced watching it... and I only really came into the fold when I had a HUGE nostalgic moment thinking about the "old days" in NZ when my flatmates forced me to watch. And somehow I was sucked into the Vortex. I am still not extreme (by fan standards), although I got the book "Space Helmet for a Cow" to learn about the history of the show, I now slowly watch the classic series with a new DVD every 1-2 months and I dress up at Comic Con.
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Post by number13 on Dec 3, 2018 11:24:34 GMT
Oddly enough... for me the peak time is now! Growing up in the 70s I loved watching on Saturdays and collected all the 'Target' books as they came out and chatted about the show at school (face-to-face real chat that was, with actual voices and people and no devices required! ), but that was really all you could do (unless you wanted to write your own stories / create your own monsters, which never interested me.) There were no fan clubs I knew of, no magazine, no way of recording and watching episodes again. I did start (audio) taping them for a couple of years before I left school, with mixed success (Audio-only 'Warrior's Gate', just imagine... ) and finally got a home VCR in time for 'The Five Doctors', yay! When the show was finally cancelled I didn't move in any of the fan circles which kept the flame alive. I bought videos of the seasons I loved and was excited by the finding of 'Tomb' and the 'Shada' VHS release in 1992, but really, it was History... And then the Doctor came back to visit his old 'companion' - three times: the Movie (interesting but a one-off), the new series (which I watched and enjoyed but like the old days, it was just a Saturday-only event for me) but life was busy and most of the old videos slowly gathered dust until... 'The Night of the Doctor' blew me away and brought back a flood of memories from decades past! Karn! The Sisterhood! It was as if I'd regenerated too and from that moment I started collecting the DVDs, properly discovered BF with TLATE (oh wow!) and the new series gave me 'my' new series Doctor in Peter Capaldi. And then in late 2016 I found DU and here I still am, collecting BF (shelves, need more shelves!) , enjoying Jodie's first series (to an extent which has hugely surprised me!), collecting the new blu-ray classic seasons and chatting (this time it's digital) with fellow fans all over the world. I've never been more engaged with DW than right now and it's fun!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 12:10:30 GMT
I don't think I've ever been engaged with Doctor Who enough to know what scenes were shot first and the names of all the episode writers! Buying the Target books, buying Countdown/TV Action comic for the Doctor Who strip and playing with my Rolykins Daleks (by Marx!) was my main level of engagement with Doctor Who in the early-mid 70's... I still like Doctor Who and I still love Daleks, so I obviously have an engagement with the show that's lasted through the years. But what Dalek scenes were shot first in any given story? No idea. Don't care!
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Post by barnabaslives on Dec 4, 2018 0:02:52 GMT
I'm sure I've been more engaged the last 3 years or so that I've gotten back into Doctor Who, than ever before. I've watched almost the whole series in that time, all the episodes with Doctors 4-8 the second time and a number of them the third time, plus purchasing and listening to almost all of Big Finish's DW offerings at least once, and more than half the Monthly Range and many box sets the second time.
Just getting that involved with the stories has ruled out a lot of things, from getting to see much of other work that DW cast have done to DW in printed media. In fact, I'm having a terrible time just remembering what happened in the stories. At least my memory is good about being jogged, I was amazed at all the things I remembered from the 70s and 80s when I saw them again, and thankfully my memory is also good at remembering what I liked if not why.
I did go out of the way to look at a lot of DW related stuff on YouTube several years back though, and to pursue a complete set of BF extended extras mainly for the BTS stuff, but I'm sure I'm still missing out on a lot of great bonus features as I'm mostly opting for economy class on DVDs.
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Post by lidar2 on Dec 4, 2018 12:18:13 GMT
Peak engagement was probably my teens in he 1990s when I was buying up all the VNAs as they came out, reading DWM, DWB and buying up VHS videos and/or recording off UK Gold.
Back then I actually had ... and it is amazing to think of it now, it seems such an alien concept ... but I had this thing in my life called "time to read" and a similar thing called "time to watch". Now I have work, wife, kids, other commitments etc etc and very little time to read or watch. Probably the reason I am so into BF is because I have time to listen while commuting.
As is well known our ability to retain information decreases as we get older, so my knowledge of more recent Who is not as extensive a my knowledge of 1980s and 19902 who. ask me a question on a VNA I last read in the 90s and I can answer straight away, ask me about the BF audio I listened to a couple of months back and I really do struggle.
Like others, I never knew all the boring Andrew Pixley factual stuff about locations and what order scenes were shot in - I was always more interested in the fictional universe.
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Post by constonks on Dec 5, 2018 2:03:20 GMT
For just the show, it was that first year when I watched all of it (2012) and then 2013-14.
Since then, I've taken longer and longer to watch new episodes. There was a bit of a lack of enjoyment in parts of Series 10 - mostly the Monk arc (my wife jumped ship til Christmas after The Lie of the Land!) but now we're between The Ghost Monument (which we watched the week it aired) & Rosa. My wife is saying to go on without her if I want but the momentum is completely gone so I'm in no hurry.
I guess I've gotten to an "I'll get to it when I get to it" mindset when it comes to Who - except when I think I'll be spoiled for something major (but there's no story arc this season - what can be spoiled?!)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 10:54:43 GMT
I haven’t watched the final four episodes of the new series and am in no hurry to get to it at all if i ever will watch them.I said to myself i will watch when dvd comes out but am kind of non plused about even buying it.I find Big Finish far more enjoyable nowadays.Its actually a show thats far more likely to piss me off than entertain me so rather than feel that way i have left the TV SHOW to those that can enjoy it still. I think I peaked though at Fenric so that was a long long time ago
Big Finish i have yet to peak🤪
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Post by number13 on Dec 17, 2018 11:23:26 GMT
I haven’t watched the final four episodes of the new series and am in no hurry to get to it at all if i ever will watch them.I said to myself i will watch when dvd comes out but am kind of non plused about even buying it.I find Big Finish far more enjoyable nowadays.Its actually a show thats far more likely to piss me off than entertain me so rather than feel that way i have left the TV SHOW to those that can enjoy it still. I think I peaked though at Fenric so that was a long long time ago Big Finish i have yet to peak🤪 The last four episodes included two of the very best imo ('Witchfinders' and 'It Takes You Away') so well worth a look!
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 17, 2018 11:35:55 GMT
I haven’t watched the final four episodes of the new series and am in no hurry to get to it at all if i ever will watch them.I said to myself i will watch when dvd comes out but am kind of non plused about even buying it.I find Big Finish far more enjoyable nowadays.Its actually a show thats far more likely to piss me off than entertain me so rather than feel that way i have left the TV SHOW to those that can enjoy it still. I think I peaked though at Fenric so that was a long long time ago Big Finish i have yet to peak🤪 The last four episodes included two of the very best imo ('Witchfinders' and 'It Takes You Away') so well worth a look! I concur. If you do not like any other episode, "It takes you away" you will enjoy (judging by what I have learned about your tastes). It the the best of the whole series in my opinion.
The rest is a bit hit and miss (and the finale was, for me at least, a big disappointment) and somehow, I do not feel emotionally involved enough to feel pissed off about anything for some reason... Haha, only recently watched "Curse of Fenric" for the first time, and I admit I could not get into it AT ALL. And I watched the extended directors cut that supposedly makes more sense....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 12:43:01 GMT
The last four episodes included two of the very best imo ('Witchfinders' and 'It Takes You Away') so well worth a look! I concur. If you do not like any other episode, "It takes you away" you will enjoy (judging by what I have learned about your tastes). It the the best of the whole series in my opinion.
The rest is a bit hit and miss (and the finale was, for me at least, a big disappointment) and somehow, I do not feel emotionally involved enough to feel pissed off about anything for some reason... Haha, only recently watched "Curse of Fenric" for the first time, and I admit I could not get into it AT ALL. And I watched the extended directors cut that supposedly makes more sense....
Not love Fenric? I still have some emotional involvement in the show but save that for the non tv version. i guess the tv show just lost its entertainment value to me.All good things end as they say.
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