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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 9:32:56 GMT
I think the concept of trying to make it all fit went out the window when 2020 began. The Power of the Daleks is supposed to be set in 2020 (according to the original TV trailer) so I think that about puts paid to anything we might have been able to do to fix things Same with Chris Chibnall's The Hungry Earth/ Cold Blood.
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Post by mark687 on May 5, 2020 10:16:48 GMT
Two words (and an awful lot of hand waving...) Alternate History. Does the Tardis not only travel forwards and backwards in time, but also sideways? Just saying... Yes it can Inferno Regards mark687
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Post by Jeedai on May 5, 2020 10:38:11 GMT
Two words (and an awful lot of hand waving...) Alternate History. Does the Tardis not only travel forwards and backwards in time, but also sideways? Just saying... Or the countless little changes to the timeline made by the Doctor and friends that take place in their timeline after Power Of The Daleks / Enemy Of The World but occur before the same on Earth's timeline slowly, bit by bit, butterfly by butterfly, creates an Earth where those events could never have happened. A Timeline Of Theseus. "Rose" and the whole of NuWho should have taken place on a more advanced world if all the tech advances of the Third Doctor's UNIT days had been allowed to set into the Web and more forward, as well. Particularly the manned Mars shots, which happen well ahead of whem "Waters Of Mars" says people got there. The Web Of Time can't be torn up, but it can be nudged ad infinitum.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 23:50:21 GMT
Two words (and an awful lot of hand waving...) Alternate History. Does the Tardis not only travel forwards and backwards in time, but also sideways? Just saying... Or the countless little changes to the timeline made by the Doctor and friends that take place in their timeline after Power Of The Daleks / Enemy Of The World but occur before the same on Earth's timeline slowly, bit by bit, butterfly by butterfly, creates an Earth where those events could never have happened. A Timeline Of Theseus. "Rose" and the whole of NuWho should have taken place on a more advanced world if all the tech advances of the Third Doctor's UNIT days had been allowed to set into the Web and more forward, as well. Particularly the manned Mars shots, which happen well ahead of them "Waters Of Mars" says people got there. The Web Of Time can't be torn up, but it can be nudged ad infinitum. That former lack of -- I suppose we could call it -- "causal momentum" (temporal clutter?) could have been one of the duties of the Time Lords. They've been known to change their own history, but the implication was that they threaded the line running from A to B themselves, rather than let it spiral out on its own. After the Last Great Time War, without them to regulate the build-up, all those extra ripples in Time may have nudged the second millennium onto a different path. Same end result, but different route. That may be why the twenty-first century is so important. Earth hasn't made official first contact, it's only just started colonising its own solar system and its timeline during that crucial period is unusually malleable. I think the concept of trying to make it all fit went out the window when 2020 began. The Power of the Daleks is supposed to be set in 2020 (according to the original TV trailer) so I think that about puts paid to anything we might have been able to do to fix things Yeah... Paratext (the text around the text) is kind of a blessing and a curse that way. I think after a certain point you have to rely solely on the on-screen evidence. Power's fortunate in that no one mentions the actual date, so come the novelisation, it's retconned to the same period as The Doomsday Weapon. Not a bad guesstimate. It puts into perspective some of earlier companions' expectations, though. Borrowing that arcade idea, for instance:
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Post by butler on May 6, 2020 5:36:16 GMT
You write extremely well, Wolfie! It took me a minute to realise those weren't extracts from one of the Missing Adventures.
(The First Doctor is such fun to write for, isn't he? He's such a strong character that his dialogue almost takes on a life of its own.)
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 8:04:38 GMT
You write extremely well, Wolfie! It took me a minute to realise those weren't extracts from one of the Missing Adventures. (The First Doctor is such fun to write for, isn't he? He's such a strong character that his dialogue almost takes on a life of its own.) Thank you! That's quite the compliment. Very much appreciated. (Oh, he really is. He's one of my favourites to write for. There's something great about a character who can take control of a room through sheer force of will one minute, then have a gentle one-on-one about some of life's greater mysteries the next. I think a lot of that sternness stems from having to be constantly on his guard all the time. Lest he's discovered. All it takes is a nudge, from his companions or wherever, and that inner child comes out. He's deceptively cuddly at hearts.)
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Post by doctorkernow on May 6, 2020 13:28:15 GMT
Hello again.
Lovely bit of First TARDIS team writing there Wolfie. Now as regards continuity, who are you gonna call?
Lance Parkin!
I have the first ieration of his continuity guide. It is hilarious. He does a superb job of trying ti order what is essentially the chaotic, contradictory and contrary world of Doctor Who chronology.
I don't know if he has tackled NuWho yet, but if he has tried to integrate that tangled web too, he deserves a medal for services to Whoology! 🙂
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Post by fitzoliverj on May 6, 2020 16:13:57 GMT
The Power of the Daleks is supposed to be set in 2020 Yes, and the Vulcan colonists have taken the opportunity to rebel and declare independence while their home governments tackle the current crisis. Why do you think they only sent one Examiner? It's difficult to socially isolated in a cramped spaceship.
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Post by Jeedai on May 6, 2020 18:19:55 GMT
The Power of the Daleks is supposed to be set in 2020 Yes, and the Vulcan colonists have taken the opportunity to rebel and declare independence while their home governments tackle the current crisis. Why do you think they only sent one Examiner? It's difficult to socially isolated in a cramped spaceship. Lockdown Of The Daleks
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Post by mark687 on May 8, 2020 15:14:54 GMT
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Post by timegirl on May 8, 2020 15:54:03 GMT
Out of curiosity (looking at the guidelines for this) does anyone know if they are more strict about what newWho companions can featured specifically for the short trip range or does this extend to other NewWho ranges as well?
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Post by mark687 on May 8, 2020 16:20:34 GMT
Out of curiosity (looking at the guidelines for this) does anyone know if they are more strict about what newWho companions can featured specifically for the short trip range or does this extend to other NewWho ranges as well? Only things definitely out of bounds I think is what they say War Doc and anything from 13th Doc Era Avoid TV Monsters and Spin offs BF have done already as well. Regards mark687
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Post by butler on May 8, 2020 16:29:25 GMT
Rules look quite similar to last year, save perhaps some change in the allowable companions? And Nicholas Briggs will be one of the judges!
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Post by timegirl on May 8, 2020 16:31:01 GMT
Out of curiosity (looking at the guidelines for this) does anyone know if they are more strict about what newWho companions can featured specifically for the short trip range or does this extend to other NewWho ranges as well? Only things definitely out of bounds I think is what they say War Doc and anything from 13th Doc Era Regards mark687 Thanks always interesting to know these things 😊
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Post by ollychops on May 8, 2020 16:31:47 GMT
I’m sure that last year they said no New Who companions at all, but this year we’re allowed to use Rose, Martha and Donna. I do hope this means that we’ll get some Short Trips with them soon seeing as so far all the New Who Doctors have been companionless in the Short Trips so far...
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 8, 2020 17:01:03 GMT
I think something to bear in mind in subject matter - odds are, there will be a lot of submissions about pandemics/isolation this year. Not saying that that's a bad idea necessarily for a story, but just like the past PSSTs not being about death or mourning, I think it's a little obvious and, what's more, something that might not want to be read by Nick or whoever else, for clear reasons.
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Post by constonks on May 8, 2020 17:33:49 GMT
I’m sure that last year they said no New Who companions at all, but this year we’re allowed to use Rose, Martha and Donna. I do hope this means that we’ll get some Short Trips with them soon seeing as so far all the New Who Doctors have been companionless in the Short Trips so far... It was indeed. There was also no ban on K9 before, but that makes sense. And did the starting point always say "An Unearthly Child"? No Doc-and-Susan stories?
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Post by selimpensfiction on May 8, 2020 21:27:15 GMT
And so it’s on. Good luck to all and sundry!
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Post by mark687 on May 8, 2020 21:57:03 GMT
I’m sure that last year they said no New Who companions at all, but this year we’re allowed to use Rose, Martha and Donna. I do hope this means that we’ll get some Short Trips with them soon seeing as so far all the New Who Doctors have been companionless in the Short Trips so far... It was indeed. There was also no ban on K9 before, but that makes sense. And did the starting point always say "An Unearthly Child"? No Doc-and-Susan stories? Yes Set it anywhere in between "An Unearthly Child" and "Twice Upon A Time" Regards mark687
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Post by xlozdob on May 9, 2020 0:46:20 GMT
I'm conflicted. I had what I thought was a really cool idea for the Tenth Doctor, set just after Waters of Mars and dealing in a way, using another character, with the aftermath of the Time Lord Victorious on a personal level. The funny thing is, I just checked and the document where I put the idea down was created a mere two days before the announcement. So yeah... Idk if I should pursue this idea any further, try and adapt it for another Doctor or do something else entirely.
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