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Post by kurumais on Dec 5, 2015 19:09:31 GMT
something i am bit confused on
are all galifreyians time lords? or are time lords something akin to astronauts for galifryians? they keep mentioning THE ACADEMY do you have to go to the academy to become a time lord.?
are the time lords say the astronauts of galifrey and the name that became synonymous with all galifreyians? i just thinking are fruit peddlers on galifrey time lords?
thanks
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Post by mrperson on Dec 5, 2015 20:23:52 GMT
"are all galifreyians time lords? "
That's what I understood from the original series.
"or are time lords something akin to astronauts for galifryians? they keep mentioning THE ACADEMY do you have to go to the academy to become a time lord.?"
That seemed to be the implication from the portion of the conversation between the Doctor's parents in "Listen"...something to the effect of "he'll never make Time Lord" and worries he'll just end up as a guard.
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Post by Digi on Dec 5, 2015 20:30:46 GMT
I don't think it's ever been made explicitly clear, at least on TV or in audio, so don't feel like you're left out or missing anything. Based on my observations, the difference comes down to the ability to regenerate--but even that isn't terribly well-defined. Some developments in later series of BF's Gallifrey line that suggest but don't make clear the distinction:
Possibility 1: The distinction is simply to mark an epoch in Gallifrey's history
On an alternate-universe Gallifrey that does not yet have the ability to time-travel, the local Gallifreyans talk about becoming Time Lords. So it's possible that the demarcation line is simply that they were Gallifreyans prior to mastering time, but consider themselves Time Lords once the possibility is within their grasp.
Possibility 2: The distinction is class-based
It's no secret in both the TV show and the BF series that the people of Gallifrey are very classist and aristocratic--the upper classes on Gallifrey look down their noses at 'the little people' as much as all people of Gallifrey look down their noses at other races, as uncultured savages. It is implied in one of the alternate Gallifreys that Rassilon was developing the process of regeneration with the intention that it only be granted to the upper echelons of Gallifreyan society--thus separating the aristocracy and the common people into two very different classes: Time Lord, and Gallifreyan.
Personally, I think the second holds a little bit more water just because it was inadvertently confirmed in The Day of the Doctor; where we saw many Gallifreyans being shot down by Daleks, but who were not regenerating. Admittedly it's a bit of a fanjodrell, but it seems to fit in with the idea that the 'common people' do not have that capability.
Alternatively I could just be completely wrong, and maybe the distinction is as you say, whether or not you're an alumni of the Academy. |
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Post by relativetime on Dec 5, 2015 20:34:47 GMT
something i am bit confused on are all galifreyians time lords? or are time lords something akin to astronauts for galifryians? they keep mentioning THE ACADEMY do you have to go to the academy to become a time lord.? are the time lords say the astronauts of galifrey and the name that became synonymous with all galifreyians? i just thinking are fruit peddlers on galifrey time lords? thanks To answer your question, no - Gallifreyans are not necessarily Time Lords. You can be from Gallifrey, but if you never went to the Academy, then you aren't a Time Lord. From what I gather, the Academy is where you learn to pilot a TARDIS and learn the rules/mechanics of time travel, and you gain the longevity and ability to regenerate by looking into the Untempered Schism, done either towards the beginning or the end of your time at the Academy (not sure when). |
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 5, 2015 20:37:16 GMT
Gallifreyans are the two-hearted species that come from Gallifrey. To become a Time Lord, a person has to look into the untempered schism and gain the ability to regenerate. River is a Time Lady, but not a Gallifreyan, due to Kovarian's genetic manipulations and being conceived in the vortex. Therefore, she has (well, had) the ability to regenerate, but only has one heart. The outsiders who Leela befriended in Invasion of Time are Gallifreyans but not Time Lords. They have two hearts, but they can't regenerate.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 5, 2015 20:55:46 GMT
something i am bit confused on are all galifreyians time lords? or are time lords something akin to astronauts for galifryians? they keep mentioning THE ACADEMY do you have to go to the academy to become a time lord.? are the time lords say the astronauts of galifrey and the name that became synonymous with all galifreyians? i just thinking are fruit peddlers on galifrey time lords? thanks To answer your question, no - Gallifreyans are not necessarily Time Lords. You can be from Gallifrey, but if you never went to the Academy, then you aren't a Time Lord. From what I gather, the Academy is where you learn to pilot a TARDIS and learn the rules/mechanics of time travel, and you gain the longevity and ability to regenerate by looking into the Untempered Schism, done either towards the beginning or the end of your time at the Academy (not sure when). That is more or less how I've understood it as well. |
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Post by Ela on Dec 6, 2015 2:43:13 GMT
My understanding has also been that not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords.
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Post by kurumais on Dec 6, 2015 5:33:54 GMT
thank you all
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 6, 2015 21:07:02 GMT
The Book "The Infinity Doctors" explains it thusly "not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords, and conversely not all Time Lords are Gallifreyans".
Ace, for example, is a Time Lord in the Gallifrey series.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 6, 2015 21:42:14 GMT
The Book "The Infinity Doctors" explains it thusly "not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords, and conversely not all Time Lords are Gallifreyans". Ace, for example, is a Time Lord in the Gallifrey series. I don't think Ace was really a Time Lord. Even if she attended the Academy, she never looked into the untempered schism. I think the idea is just that under Romana's regime, non Time Lords were allowed to attend the Academy and to work along side Time Lords. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 6:35:23 GMT
The Book "The Infinity Doctors" explains it thusly "not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords, and conversely not all Time Lords are Gallifreyans". Ace, for example, is a Time Lord in the Gallifrey series. I don't think Ace was really a Time Lord. Even if she attended the Academy, she never looked into the untempered schism. I think the idea is just that under Romana's regime, non Time Lords were allowed to attend the Academy and to work along side Time Lords. The initial clues provided by stories like Davros and Goth Opera seem to indicate that the Time Lords are an aristocratic elite that exist within Gallifreyan society who are granted the boon of training at the Academy and once achieving the rank of Junior Time Lord are spliced with symbiotic nuclei that allows them to pilot a TARDIS for extended periods of time. By about the late Seventh Doctor's era, Romana had begun to make radical reforms such as performing reparations to Gallifrey's relationship with Karn, installing several off-world embassies within the Capitol (one of which, the Tharil Embassy, was bombed by the Celestial Intervention Agency to prove her absence) and allowing non-Gallifreyans to enrol in the Academy. Even Bernice Summerfield was offered a position, which she later declined in favour of studying on Dellah. From memory, the notion floating around in the Gallifrey series was that under Romana's administration ten million years of isolation had been lifted, leading to a common fear exploited by people like Darkel that anyone could become a Time Lord. I think there's definitely a class structure at work in their society, but it's a bit vague whether all Gallifreyans or just would-be Time Lords go though the Academy though. |
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