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Post by dorney on Aug 9, 2021 18:39:50 GMT
That’s not how the scheduling of these things work. If these weren’t made, there wouldn’t have been anything else in their place. The fact is Baker is 87. His time is limited. I mean, yes (and literally everyone’s is). But that doesn’t change what I wrote. The time he spent recording these could not have been used to record anything else.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 9, 2021 18:41:24 GMT
The fact is Baker is 87. His time is limited. I mean, yes (and literally everyone’s is). But that doesn’t change what I wrote. The time he spent recording these could not have been used to record anything else. I wasn't trying to change what you wrote. But thank you for clarifying...a second time.
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Post by dorney on Aug 9, 2021 18:45:51 GMT
I mean, yes (and literally everyone’s is). But that doesn’t change what I wrote. The time he spent recording these could not have been used to record anything else. I wasn't trying to change what you wrote. But thank you for clarifying...a second time. That’s quite all right. It does seem a common misconception, so it’s good to get that detail out there.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 9, 2021 18:49:04 GMT
I wasn't trying to change what you wrote. But thank you for clarifying...a second time. That’s quite all right. It does seem a common misconception, so it’s good to get that detail out there. It certainly is x
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 18:55:59 GMT
Yknow if i tried to sell a product, i don’t think saying that my script has spelling errors in would translate to sales.
I get what they were going for with the line but yeah it keeps standing out to me as perhaps a little misguided
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 9, 2021 19:00:02 GMT
Yknow if i tried to sell a product, i don’t think saying that my script has spelling errors in would translate to sales. I get what they were going for with the line but yeah it keeps standing out to me as perhaps a little misguided Very true.
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 9, 2021 20:12:05 GMT
I’m a bit baffled by this.
Return of the Cybermen I can sort of understand, as what became Revenge of the Cybermen is substantially different enough. It also served as a nice introduction for the recast Sarah and Harry. If it was released after they’d done a couple of seasons, I think the reception for that would be more mixed, as it is for today’s announcement.
The original Ark in Space doesn’t seem drastically different, except perhaps in its portrayal of the Doctor when they didn’t have Tom on board. And I can’t really work out what this Genesis production is; a full cast solitary episode from a typo ladened script and the rest is a reading? The article has somehow made it less appealing of a concept than it originally is.
I think you can stray too far away from the original concept of the range to the point where you wonder why. What’s next, The Day of the Doctor where they get Eccleston and Dudman reading Hurt and Smith's lines, respectively? The original Last Christmas where K9 makes a cameo? A 90 minute production of Twice Upon a Time?
It’s just a bit odd to me. And this is from someone who’s favourite TARDIS team is the Season 12 one.
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Post by cwm on Aug 9, 2021 20:25:05 GMT
I’m a bit baffled by this. Return of the Cybermen I can sort of understand, as what became Revenge of the Cybermen is substantially different enough. It also served as a nice introduction for the recast Sarah and Harry. If it was released after they’d done a couple of seasons, I think the reception for that would be more mixed, as it is for today’s announcement. The original Ark in Space doesn’t seem drastically different, except perhaps in its portrayal of the Doctor when they didn’t have Tom on board. And I can’t really work out what this Genesis production is; a full cast solitary episode from a typo ladened script and the rest is a reading? The article has somehow made it less appealing of a concept than it originally is. I think you can stray too far away from the original concept of the range to the point where you wonder why. What’s next, The Day of the Doctor where they get Eccleston and Dudman reading Hurt and Smith's lines, respectively? The original Last Christmas where K9 makes a cameo? A 90 minute production of Twice Upon a Time? It’s just a bit odd to me. And this is from someone who’s favourite TARDIS team is the Season 12 one. Jonny Morris has said elsewhere that the script for the Lucarotti Ark is significantly different to what everyone previously thinks it is. It sounds like it's different enough to be worth doing. From the description of Genesis: it's a full-cast episode 1 directly working from Nation's first draft (note that no adapter or script editor is credited on the product page), followed by a dramatic reading of the story outline with additional material by Simon Guerrier. I get the vibe it's similar to The Destroyers from the Second Doctor Box Set. (I also note that Guerrier has said on Twitter there's something else that hasn't yet been announced to it: ) As for TDOTD with Nine: I don't really get the idea Eccleston would be up for such a thing, but if it was viable and different enough to be worth doing, why not? We've seen glimpses at the idea before, after all. You could also do Stephen Gallagher's original version of Warriors' Gate if it hadn't already been done as an audiobook. Provided it's different enough to what made it onto the screen I don't see why anything should be off limits.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 9, 2021 20:28:02 GMT
Regards
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 9, 2021 20:46:42 GMT
I’m a bit baffled by this. Return of the Cybermen I can sort of understand, as what became Revenge of the Cybermen is substantially different enough. It also served as a nice introduction for the recast Sarah and Harry. If it was released after they’d done a couple of seasons, I think the reception for that would be more mixed, as it is for today’s announcement. The original Ark in Space doesn’t seem drastically different, except perhaps in its portrayal of the Doctor when they didn’t have Tom on board. And I can’t really work out what this Genesis production is; a full cast solitary episode from a typo ladened script and the rest is a reading? The article has somehow made it less appealing of a concept than it originally is. I think you can stray too far away from the original concept of the range to the point where you wonder why. What’s next, The Day of the Doctor where they get Eccleston and Dudman reading Hurt and Smith's lines, respectively? The original Last Christmas where K9 makes a cameo? A 90 minute production of Twice Upon a Time? It’s just a bit odd to me. And this is from someone who’s favourite TARDIS team is the Season 12 one. Yep this is such an odd thing for BF to do. Genesis is a full cast episode 1 followed by audiobook for the rest? What a disjointed messy hybrid. Do BF have the right?
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Post by stcoop on Aug 9, 2021 21:30:09 GMT
Ahh, there's the bottom of the barrel. I was wondering where exactly it was.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Aug 9, 2021 21:38:50 GMT
Perhaps worth noting that this is one of the few series at BF where there's a finite number of stories to tell, all of which would be tricky license-wise. I personally think the new approach is great (though perhaps a new 'Alternate Adventures' categorisation would be helpful rather than 'Lost Stories'), and at those prices...
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 10, 2021 5:58:55 GMT
So the article says this about the first draft version of Ark,
Adapted by Jonathan Morris from the first draft scripts, this audio production of Doctor Who and the Ark highlights where Robert Holmes polished the storytelling for television, and how the team developed the character of the Doctor.
They're basically admitting this version isn't as good. Another great selling point. What an epic waste of time.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Aug 10, 2021 6:13:37 GMT
Complaining that Tom Baker could have been recording original stories instead seems a little odd to me, given that there's no shortage of original Tom Baker audios from Big Finish. They've recorded years in advance!
EDIT: There's a lot of confusion over what the 'point' of these is, but it's worth noting that projects like this aren't unique to Big Finish. We have published books of Tolkien's drafts, Dark Horse made a comic of Lucas's early The Star Wars script, and IDW made a comic of Ellison's original story for City on the Edge of Forever. It's interesting to look at these and compare to the finished product and see the work that went into them.
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 10, 2021 6:53:27 GMT
Wonder if this means that we could get a different version of the Tv Movie script
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 10, 2021 7:37:35 GMT
Shouldn't these be titled The Alternative Stories?
Anyway Tom Baker as the Doctor here take my Lizzie Windsors.
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Post by cwm on Aug 10, 2021 8:16:25 GMT
Wonder if this means that we could get a different version of the Tv Movie script Given the legal issues mean they don't even use images of Paul from the movie any more in case there's a problem, I wouldn't hold your breath.
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Post by The Brigadier on Aug 10, 2021 9:30:37 GMT
While I'm not going to quibble over whether these are lost stories, unbound stories, new 'old' adventures, what ifs, what might have beens or whatever else you want to call them...I am curious to know just how different they will be from the original story lines that came to screen. If the variation is wide enough then I for one wouldn't think of it as "scraping the bottom of the barrel".
That being said, on the basis of just one news item and a good eighteen months before either are released my curiosity isn't high enough to part with my debit card number right now. I'll see how I feel when Big Finish eventually add some meat to the bone they have just thrown.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Aug 10, 2021 9:33:26 GMT
So the article says this about the first draft version of Ark, Adapted by Jonathan Morris from the first draft scripts, this audio production of Doctor Who and the Ark highlights where Robert Holmes polished the storytelling for television, and how the team developed the character of the Doctor.
They're basically admitting this version isn't as good. Another great selling point. What an epic waste of time. Only a waste of time if no one buys it.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 10, 2021 9:39:11 GMT
Thinking about this, I am feeling a bit more positive about it the alternate Ark in Space. I imagine it will be sufficiently different from the TV version to justify its existence.
I think I read in DWM (about 35 years ago) that the Lucoratti Ark ended with the Dr hitting the alien heads into space with a golf club in an episode entitled Golfball. It is 4 discs so I guess we are getting the full 6 parts.
Still not really convinced by Genesis of Terror. Why one full cast episode and a storyline? Why not make the whole thing full cast? They have worked from storylines to full cast for previous Lost Stories, so why stop at a storyline here? Maybe BF have good reason for doing it the way they have decided to do it and I think they have earned enough trust over 20+ years that it is worth taking a punt on buying it, but I'd feel happier if they gave us a bit more of an insight into their thinking about why they have made the decision to go for a hybrid full-cast / storyline production rather than a straight full cast adaptation. For me at least, the hybrid approach is always going to feel like second best when compared to full cast.
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