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Post by martinw8686 on Oct 28, 2023 1:47:25 GMT
I've recently started bingeing on The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield and find the great David Warner's Unbound Doctor to be a revelation.
It got me thinking how great it was having new audio Adventures with a Doctor who was heading in a direction I knew nothing about.
I realise the liscence agreement with the BBC would be unlikely to allow a big finish created Doctor to exist within the shows continuity but an alternative universe Doctor is an entirely different thing.
It would perhaps be in bad taste to have David Warner's Doctor regenerate at the moment. But I wonder how much interest my fellow listeners would have in a continuing range of a Big Finish Unbound Doctor.
I for one love the feel of the early 8th Doctor audio's and that the story could go anywhere. I'd be happy for a new range to exist in a completely new universe with no links to the hub show.
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Post by relativetime on Oct 28, 2023 2:13:08 GMT
I'd love to see it happen, but sadly I don't think we'll ever see another original Unbound Doctor unless the TV show introduces one. The only possibility I could see of more original Unbound adventures would be if they continued the stories of one of the other Unbound Doctors they already have, which leaves us with only the Unbound Doctor from Exile. I'm not sure if the Arabella Weir Doctor was even included in the deal that allowed us to keep the Warner Doctor, but even so I think the barrier here is that Nicholas Briggs doesn't want to revisit that story even in a more serious follow-up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 3:32:01 GMT
The BBC weren't MASSIVELY keen first time round and that was when the show was off-air. I suppose the big question would be "why?"
We've got the War Doctor doing un-Doctor-like things often, we're getting Jo Martin in the near future who has already shown she's got a different moral code over guns and the likes. SO what would a new Unbound Doctor be?
The original mini-series was less about who the Doctor was and "What if...?" a scenario happened. I think there are ways to tell that kind of story with the many tools at BF's disposal already.
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Post by cwm on Oct 28, 2023 6:05:35 GMT
Nick has said on the podcast very recently that RTD has politely but firmly expressed opposition to new actors playing the Doctor in future Unbound releases.
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Post by timleschild on Oct 28, 2023 8:28:47 GMT
I really liked David Warner's Unbound Doctor but was it really sufficiently different enough? The only thing I would be interested in would be one offs in the style of some of those old What If/Elseworlds comic books from Marvel & DC.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Oct 28, 2023 11:34:20 GMT
In 2025 we are getting {Spoiler} An Unbound trilogy of "feature-length" adventures with David Bradley and the An Adventure in Space and Time cast that will apparently be much in the vein of the Technicolor world of the 1960s Dalek movies.
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Post by martinw8686 on Oct 28, 2023 13:23:01 GMT
In 2025 we are getting {Spoiler} An Unbound trilogy of "feature-length" adventures with David Bradley and the An Adventure in Space and Time cast that will apparently be much in the vein of the Technicolor world of the 1960s Dalek movies. That sounds cool! Although I adore the 1963 - Present day continuity and mythology. Visiting the Unbound Universe with Benny, has got me craving Doctor Who that can progress forward unrestricted. I do like the idea they're going with in Beyond War Games, that the 2nd Doctor has become a splinter Doctor that can have new adventures and break from continuity. This 2nd Doctor can now do pretty much anything as we never saw how his service to the Timelords ended.
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Post by martinw8686 on Oct 28, 2023 13:33:16 GMT
In 2025 we are getting {Spoiler} An Unbound trilogy of "feature-length" adventures with David Bradley and the An Adventure in Space and Time cast that will apparently be much in the vein of the Technicolor world of the 1960s Dalek movies. That sounds cool! Although I adore the 1963 - Present day continuity and mythology. Visiting the Unbound Universe with Benny, has got me craving Doctor Who that can progress forward unrestricted. I do like the idea they're going with in Beyond War Games, that the 2nd Doctor has become a splinter Doctor that can have new adventures and break from continuity. This 2nd Doctor can now do pretty much anything as we never saw how his service to the Timelords ended.
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Post by timleschild on Oct 28, 2023 13:45:41 GMT
In 2025 we are getting {Spoiler} An Unbound trilogy of "feature-length" adventures with David Bradley and the An Adventure in Space and Time cast that will apparently be much in the vein of the Technicolor world of the 1960s Dalek movies. Sounds a bit weird tbh.
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Post by bonehead on Oct 28, 2023 14:08:49 GMT
In 2025 we are getting {Spoiler} An Unbound trilogy of "feature-length" adventures with David Bradley and the An Adventure in Space and Time cast that will apparently be much in the vein of the Technicolor world of the 1960s Dalek movies. Sounds interesting. I might well be buying that. A small plea though - {Spoiler} can we not have Ian (or a Tom Campbell character) walking into doors and tripping over for the sake of 'comedy' please. Some things don't date well!
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 28, 2023 14:25:14 GMT
In 2025 we are getting {Spoiler} An Unbound trilogy of "feature-length" adventures with David Bradley and the An Adventure in Space and Time cast that will apparently be much in the vein of the Technicolor world of the 1960s Dalek movies. How do you know this?
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Post by martinw8686 on Oct 28, 2023 14:39:36 GMT
In 2025 we are getting {Spoiler} An Unbound trilogy of "feature-length" adventures with David Bradley and the An Adventure in Space and Time cast that will apparently be much in the vein of the Technicolor world of the 1960s Dalek movies. Sounds a bit weird tbh. I like weird. Although not at the expense of plot and character development, which for me was the case with Doctor of War.
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Post by timleschild on Oct 28, 2023 14:47:54 GMT
I like weird. Although not at the expense of plot and character development, which for me was the case with Doctor of War. maybe. but if they are going for that then go full into it, carrying on from the films.
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Post by martinw8686 on Oct 28, 2023 17:36:37 GMT
I like weird. Although not at the expense of plot and character development, which for me was the case with Doctor of War. maybe. but if they are going for that then go full into it, carrying on from the films. I'm not quite sure what in the vein of the Technicolor films means for an audio story with David Bradley's 1st Doctor as an Unbound release? Are they changing the Doctor's back story to match the Cushing Doctor? Because I wouldn’t like that, I prefer him as a Timelord. Still an interesting novelty that'll keep an eye on.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Oct 28, 2023 17:38:09 GMT
I've recently started bingeing on The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield and find the great David Warner's Unbound Doctor to be a revelation. It got me thinking how great it was having new audio Adventures with a Doctor who was heading in a direction I knew nothing about. But that was never what the Unbound range was about. It was based around "What If the Doctor had some characteristic markedly different to the tv show?" It wasn't about different actors or directions, it was discrete stories. In 2025 we are getting {Spoiler}An Unbound trilogy of "feature-length" adventures with David Bradley and the An Adventure in Space and Time cast that will apparently be much in the vein of the Technicolor world of the 1960s Dalek movies. How do you know this? It was in anotehr thread, somebody spotted it in a CV. Not sure I can see the point. {Spoiler}Ordinary First Doctor Audio Adventures:
Ian: Watch out! A Dalek!
Technicolour First Doctor Audio Adventures:
Barbara: Watch out! A blue Dalek!
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Post by martinw8686 on Oct 28, 2023 18:22:45 GMT
I've recently started bingeing on The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield and find the great David Warner's Unbound Doctor to be a revelation. It got me thinking how great it was having new audio Adventures with a Doctor who was heading in a direction I knew nothing about. But that was never what the Unbound range was about. It was based around "What If the Doctor had some characteristic markedly different to the tv show?" It wasn't about different actors or directions, it was discrete stories. It was in anotehr thread, somebody spotted it in a CV. Not sure I can see the point. {Spoiler}Ordinary First Doctor Audio Adventures:
Ian: Watch out! A Dalek!
Technicolour First Doctor Audio Adventures:
Barbara: Watch out! A blue Dalek! I guess I just love what David Warner's Unbound Doctor became through NABS. It feels to me like here's a Doctor Big Finish created and I have no idea where he's going, it's exciting. It must have felt like that with 8 and Charley in the early years. I suppose the Warner Doctor evolved beyond the original premise of Unbound, and that's what I'm currently enjoying. In the past 8 felt like the "Big Finish" Doctor and his range had a special quality about it. Don't get me wrong, I still love 8s Adventures but I do miss feeling like I was on a journey with him. I was thinking Unbound could be a good loophole to Big Finish creating another Doctor but perhaps the Warner Doctor was a one off that can't be replicated. It's so sad he's no longer with us and says a lot that just a few of his performances have left me wanting to fill the gap I'll feel when I listen to the last of his run. Even if I got my wish for another "new" Audio Doctor, David Warner's shoes are mighty ones to fill.
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Post by timleschild on Oct 28, 2023 18:30:23 GMT
maybe. but if they are going for that then go full into it, carrying on from the films. I'm not quite sure what in the vein of the Technicolor films means for an audio story with David Bradley's 1st Doctor as an Unbound release? Are they changing the Doctor's back story to match the Cushing Doctor? Because I wouldn’t like that, I prefer him as a Timelord. Still an interesting novelty that'll keep an eye on. Exactly. Such a weird, unconfirmed, idea.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 20:21:43 GMT
To expand on my early post...The issue with Unbound Docs, especially with the show back on TV is the character can't do TOO much that is against the core identity. The War Doctor, for one. Some people were peeved he wasn't some action hero gunning down enemies with no remorse. Personally I always took it that it was using The Moment that made him persona non grata and that he was The Doctor all along, he just didn't know it. With his exlixir on Karn a placebo. But hey.
Look at Full Fathom Five. One of my faves of the series. It shows us a VERY Doctorish incarnation. Nothing out there....but he crosses lines. Ends justify means. And some fans, even in an Unbound, HATED that. Colin's Unbound, kinda likewise. A bit more out there but some seem to think just making The Doctor evil is enough. No, that'd be The Master So it's a bit of a lose-lose.
To me -make the situation the Unbound and use the many, many characters and eras we have already. Like when we had Tennant essentially in the world of Daleks Master Plan with Dalek Universe. Or a better written Locum Docs trilogy. Get Troughton into a rough London estate like Eccleston was. Get Eccleston into The Land Of Fiction. Whatever. And with Jo Martin joining, there's gonna be a further expansion of what the Doctor can be, without being too far.
Jodie and Capaldi both had speeches about remembering who they were, and fundamentally that's the same for all the Doctors. I think it's why we love it so much. Anywhere in time and space - what a sandbox to play it. For the "well, THe Doctor wouldn't do THAT..." we have Gallifrey, Torchwood and others. Remember Capaldi threatened Ashildir he'd torture her to the end of the Universe? Clara said "Your reign of terror would end at the first crying child..." THAT'S The Doctor, in all versions.
The Unbound idea worked SO well in the early 2000s because we had no show. We had darker novels. It was an era of expanded media playing about with the core idea. Now? We have so many spinoffs and splinters to do that. And Warner's Doctor, well, he wasn't exactly that different to our own was he? His story started with him landing in 1997 not the 70s. THAT was the altered element, not the character himself. Essentially he was Pertwee-ish. And of course there were reasons to bring him back. 1. He's DAVID WARNER. 2. When an actor like that wants to work with you as much as he did? You use them. 3. He was with Lisa Bowerman on and off script so was very much part of the family.
Sometimes it's good to tell the dark stories, lets us see the light ones better. But for me The Doctor should be the beacon that never goes out. A constant. Flickers sometimes, but never goes out.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 28, 2023 21:20:56 GMT
Nick has said on the podcast very recently that RTD has politely but firmly expressed opposition to new actors playing the Doctor in future Unbound releases. Which is why the Warrior was played by Colon, not someone new. BUT … that might allow for established Doctor actors to play Unbound Doctors (ie the Doctor always goes “Hartnell/Troughton/Pertwee/etc etc” but the situations and personalities etc vary)…. I could imagine Tom playing the Silurian Doctor from “Doctor Who and the Humans” that I wrote years ago….
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Post by martinw8686 on Oct 28, 2023 21:35:15 GMT
I'm glad we have the specials and series 14 on the way. I've missed new Doctor Who. I adore the various Big Finish ranges but nothing beats the forward momentum of not knowing where the Doctor is heading.
One of the reasons I'm loving the Warner Doctor is because I don't know where he's heading.
I'm also just greedy for new audio, at the same time, I don't like endings. In my head a Doctor free from BBC continuity would be one without a written ending.
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