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Post by timleschild on Nov 26, 2023 11:35:00 GMT
I do hope the TARDIS slamming into a new location is not now the norm. Well, the norm for when the TARDIS console is exploding maybe. Actually, what was in that coffee to cause such a reaction? Whatever it is, I need some this morning đ Negative reaction from the TARDIS because it wasn't tea. I guess we can blame Disney for that.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 27, 2023 11:05:50 GMT
Seen some say that the ship's design might mean the TARDIS had landed inside another TARDIS.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 13:17:22 GMT
Tennant to Cultbox:
âThe second script is unlike any Doctor Who Iâve ever seen. I donât want to give too much away, but I was always aware of the casting that was going to be part of the episode. That was something that [showrunner] Russell [T Davies] was very specific about. I just didnât imagine it would⊠manifest itself in the way that it doesâŠâ
So, my Susan theory isn't out the window! But three names were redacted..
When filming was going on, Matt was pictured nearby (some said with his Who-haircut....that's not really an issue given he was bald in Time Of The Doctor!) so....maybe the redacteds are past actors returning..but not as themselves. So Matt, but as a creature taking on the form of a past-Doctor? Ties into the way David phrases it. It'd be a novel twist on a multi-Doc story (for TV) and certainly a surprise. RTD was the one who said after the 50th, he wished he could have a series of the 10th and 11th Doctors together as each other's companion. Could this be as close as it gets?
So, I'm adding Matt to my Susan theory. Jodie? She was pregnant at the time..but something small maybe? Capaldi's seemed dead set against a return, so he seems only marginally more likely than Eccleston. Wheras earlier Doctors were in the ep just before Star Beast so..less likely, I think.
I really can't think when the last time some spoilers weren't leaked - often by the BBC and production team themselves, some hints were online, set pics were on twitter. It's exciting stuff.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 27, 2023 14:07:20 GMT
Tennant to Cultbox: âThe second script is unlike any Doctor Who Iâve ever seen. I donât want to give too much away, but I was always aware of the casting that was going to be part of the episode. That was something that [showrunner] Russell [T Davies] was very specific about. I just didnât imagine it would⊠manifest itself in the way that it doesâŠâ So, my Susan theory isn't out the window! But three names were redacted.. When filming was going on, Matt was pictured nearby (some said with his Who-haircut....that's not really an issue given he was bald in Time Of The Doctor!) so....maybe the redacteds are past actors returning..but not as themselves. So Matt, but as a creature taking on the form of a past-Doctor? Ties into the way David phrases it. It'd be a novel twist on a multi-Doc story (for TV) and certainly a surprise. RTD was the one who said after the 50th, he wished he could have a series of the 10th and 11th Doctors together as each other's companion. Could this be as close as it gets? So, I'm adding Matt to my Susan theory. Jodie? She was pregnant at the time..but something small maybe? Capaldi's seemed dead set against a return, so he seems only marginally more likely than Eccleston. Wheras earlier Doctors were in the ep just before Star Beast so..less likely, I think. I really can't think when the last time some spoilers weren't leaked - often by the BBC and production team themselves, some hints were online, set pics were on twitter. It's exciting stuff. Remember Capaldiâs first three episodes hitting the wild weeks before transmission date with all the f/x unfinished? I still think that set 12âs era back more than a little at its very beginning.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 14:22:31 GMT
I really can't think when the last time some spoilers weren't leaked - often by the BBC and production team themselves, some hints were online, set pics were on twitter. It's exciting stuff. Remember Capaldiâs first three episodes hitting the wild weeks before transmission date with all the f/x unfinished? I still think that set 12âs era back more than a little at its very beginning. Though in retrospect, that leaked an alternate ending for the Robin Hood ep, changed at the very last minute. When two Brits were executed in the middle east by beheading, the production team took out a beheading by Nottingham near the start and then a comeuppance for him at the end would reveal the Sheriff as The Robot Of Sherwood of the title. A title which now makes no sense as he's a normal guy in the transmitted version, and there are lots of the metal knights. So it's a bit of a lost Who twist that, only on bootlegs.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 27, 2023 19:48:20 GMT
Remember Capaldiâs first three episodes hitting the wild weeks before transmission date with all the  f/x unfinished? I still think that set 12âs era back more than a little at its very beginning. Though in retrospect, that leaked an alternate ending for the Robin Hood ep, changed at the very last minute. When two Brits were executed in the middle east by beheading, the production team took out a beheading by Nottingham near the start and then a comeuppance for him at the end would reveal the Sheriff as The Robot Of Sherwood of the title. A title which now makes no sense as he's a normal guy in the transmitted version, and there are lots of the metal knights. So it's a bit of a lost Who twist that, only on bootlegs. Into the Dalek too. Rusty went back to the Dalek ship and instigated its self-destruct (which has never been used since Dalek!), destroying all the Daleks on board. In the transmitted version it just leaves after being sassy with the Doctor and then randomly appears again in Twice Upon a Time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 19:54:24 GMT
Though in retrospect, that leaked an alternate ending for the Robin Hood ep, changed at the very last minute. When two Brits were executed in the middle east by beheading, the production team took out a beheading by Nottingham near the start and then a comeuppance for him at the end would reveal the Sheriff as The Robot Of Sherwood of the title. A title which now makes no sense as he's a normal guy in the transmitted version, and there are lots of the metal knights. So it's a bit of a lost Who twist that, only on bootlegs. Into the Dalek too. Rusty went back to the Dalek ship and instigated its self-destruct (which has never been used since Dalek!), destroying all the Daleks on board. In the transmitted version it just leaves after being sassy with the Doctor and then randomly appears again in Twice Upon a Time. That's right, I've not thought of that since...well, 2014! Yeah, not sure we needed the comeback for Rusty but it added to the "Daleks need to be in every calendar year or they lose the rights" stuff some people take wayyyy seriously. These are just alternate endings that we know of- 2 out of 3. That same series, they filmed the Missy reveal with Michelle saying "Rani" as well, to throw off leakers. If one run has 3, at least, alternate endings...would love to know the ones we haven't heard about. That'll be a big selling point when The Collection comes round to New Who, for sure.
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Post by martinw8686 on Nov 27, 2023 21:36:16 GMT
I love Into The Dalek, It's got so many great lines and so much flipant Tom Baker style.
Clara: What is this stuff?
The Doctor: People. Daleks need protein. Occasionally they harvest from the victims. This is a feeding tube.
Journey Blue: Is Ross here?
The Doctor: Yeah. Top layer if you want to say a few words.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 22:07:38 GMT
I love Into The Dalek, It's got so many great lines and so much flipant Tom Baker style. Clara: What is this stuff? The Doctor: People. Daleks need protein. Occasionally they harvest from the victims. This is a feeding tube. Journey Blue: Is Ross here? The Doctor: Yeah. Top layer if you want to say a few words. "She's my carer, she cares so I don't have to.." "He was dead already, I was saving us.." Fab stuff which ties in perfectly to the themes of S8. Not sure I needed the "You are a good Dalek." part when that had been done word for word in 2005 with Eccleston. And I LOVED seeing Michael Smiley in Who. I got to talk to Ben Wheatley, who directed it, after a Q&A screening of High Rise in 2015ish. LOVED working on Who. I've adored all his films but haven't had the courage to watch the latest - his first big American one....The Meg 2. Not even loving A Field In England, Sightseers (get Alice Lowe in Who!) and Kill List could get me to watch a Jason Statham giant shark film...
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 27, 2023 22:15:01 GMT
I love Into The Dalek, It's got so many great lines and so much flipant Tom Baker style. Clara: What is this stuff? The Doctor: People. Daleks need protein. Occasionally they harvest from the victims. This is a feeding tube. Journey Blue: Is Ross here? The Doctor: Yeah. Top layer if you want to say a few words. "She's my carer, she cares so I don't have to.." "He was dead already, I was saving us.." Fab stuff which ties in perfectly to the themes of S8. Not sure I needed the "You are a good Dalek." part when that had been done word for word in 2005 with Eccleston. And I LOVED seeing Michael Smiley in Who. I got to talk to Ben Wheatley, who directed it, after a Q&A screening of High Rise in 2015ish. LOVED working on Who. I've adored all his films but haven't had the courage to watch the latest - his first big American one....The Meg 2. Not even loving A Field In England, Sightseers (get Alice Lowe in Who!) and Kill List could get me to watch a Jason Statham giant shark film... yeah Into the Dalek was a fun early 12 episode.
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Post by timleschild on Nov 28, 2023 18:00:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2023 18:28:18 GMT
The Doctor: Yeah. Top layer if you want to say a few words. Also The Doctor: Always try to be nice. But never fail to be kind. Awful person, The "never fail to be kind" part is the most pertinent. In that episode he saved EVERY single life he could, from start to end. That's rather kind. He doesn't have to do that. He puts himself in danger to do so. An "Awful person" wouldn't. Was he nice to the same people? No. But since "Am I a good man?" was the entire theme of that season and one of the major ones of the 12th Doctor, that's not an accident. There's a reason he's drawing a distinction between niceties and kindness. And, lest we forget...he said those words to himself as he died, to be reborn. So clearly it was still on his mind. Just watched, as I was talking about in the other thread, Tom Baker's Doctor gun down a Sontaran with no warning, even though stun phasers were about in The Invasion Of Tome. Nice? No. Kind? No. But he did offer the Castellan a jelly baby. So..kind and nice there, I suppose. But he smiles a lot so, it's fine. And no-one can seriously argue being detached or saying callous things is remotely unique to Capaldi's Doctor. The Doctor who (literally) tried to fly into hell to save someone he didn't like in Season 8, that same season the quote is from.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 28, 2023 19:05:27 GMT
Wait, didn't RTD tease this one with a penguin symbol on Instagram? I mean, a certain talking penguin might be exactly the kind of left field shock that doesn't jibe with intense-looking trailers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2023 19:17:09 GMT
Wait, didn't RTD tease this one with a penguin symbol on Instagram? I mean, a certain talking penguin might be exactly the kind of left field shock that doesn't jibe with intense-looking trailers. You mean...delicious chocolate biscuits are coming this Saturday? Frobisher, meanwhile, remains a Whifferdill....but there's not an emoji for that. Yet!
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Post by martinw8686 on Nov 28, 2023 19:17:56 GMT
 Also The Doctor: Always try to be nice. But never fail to be kind. Awful person, The "never fail to be kind" part is the most pertinent. In that episode he saved EVERY single life he could, from start to end. That's rather kind. He doesn't have to do that. He puts himself in danger to do so. An "Awful person" wouldn't. Was he nice to the same people? No. But since "Am I a good man?" was the entire theme of that season and one of the major ones of the 12th Doctor, that's not an accident. There's a reason he's drawing a distinction between niceties and kindness. And, lest we forget...he said those words to himself as he died, to be reborn. So clearly it was still on his mind. Just watched, as I was talking about in the other thread, Tom Baker's Doctor gun down a Sontaran with no warning, even though stun phasers were about in The Invasion Of Tome. Nice? No. Kind? No. But he did offer the Castellan a jelly baby. So..kind and nice there, I suppose. But he smiles a lot so, it's fine. And no-one can seriously argue being detached or saying callous things is remotely unique to Capaldi's Doctor. The Doctor who (literally) tried to fly into hell to save someone he didn't like in Season 8, that same season the quote is from. I could talk about 12 all day. Yes he's rude ,sometimes overly pragmatic and occasionally hypocritical but this often a front. The 11th Doctor spent a thousand years defending Trenzalore, he grew old and watched those he cared about die, he loved River knowing how finite her time was. 12 is born very aware of past mistakes and damaged by loss. I recommend watching his journey and seeing the brusque subside and profound kindness and honour bubble to the surface. His anti war speech in Zygon Inversion is just amazing and wise. The Doctor Falls speech, "where I fall, is where I stand" is beautiful and heartbreaking. Capaldi and Tennant are my favourites of the revived era. Very different portrayals but both break my heart and inspire me at the same time. I'm sure Tennant's 14 will inspire and break my heart over the next two weeks.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 28, 2023 20:02:35 GMT
I love Into The Dalek, It's got so many great lines and so much flipant Tom Baker style. Clara: What is this stuff? The Doctor: People. Daleks need protein. Occasionally they harvest from the victims. This is a feeding tube. Journey Blue: Is Ross here? The Doctor: Yeah. Top layer if you want to say a few words. "She's my carer, she cares so I don't have to.." "He was dead already, I was saving us.." Fab stuff which ties in perfectly to the themes of S8. Not sure I needed the "You are a good Dalek." part when that had been done word for word in 2005 with Eccleston. And I LOVED seeing Michael Smiley in Who. I got to talk to Ben Wheatley, who directed it, after a Q&A screening of High Rise in 2015ish. LOVED working on Who. I've adored all his films but haven't had the courage to watch the latest - his first big American one....The Meg 2. Not even loving A Field In England, Sightseers (get Alice Lowe in Who!) and Kill List could get me to watch a Jason Statham giant shark film... Thatâs really great to read, thanks for sharing. Wheatley is one of my favourites, but his Who contribution has always felt quite overlooked. It was never made a fuss of at the time, he didnât really do any press (the Into the Dalek commentary being the exception, which is great!) and the episodes came out and again seemed to omit his contribution. Glad that he loved making it, theyâre two cracking episodes and a stark contrast to one another. I donât think the Daleks have ever looked better than Into the Dalek either and a lot of the shots are toys!
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Post by number13 on Nov 28, 2023 20:03:43 GMT
Wait, didn't RTD tease this one with a penguin symbol on Instagram? I mean, a certain talking penguin might be exactly the kind of left field shock that doesn't jibe with intense-looking trailers. You mean...delicious chocolate biscuits are coming this Saturday? Frobisher, meanwhile, remains a Whifferdill....but there's not an emoji for that. Yet! Or there is such an emoji but we don't know what it currently looks like.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2023 20:24:49 GMT
"She's my carer, she cares so I don't have to.." "He was dead already, I was saving us.." Fab stuff which ties in perfectly to the themes of S8. Not sure I needed the "You are a good Dalek." part when that had been done word for word in 2005 with Eccleston. And I LOVED seeing Michael Smiley in Who. I got to talk to Ben Wheatley, who directed it, after a Q&A screening of High Rise in 2015ish. LOVED working on Who. I've adored all his films but haven't had the courage to watch the latest - his first big American one....The Meg 2. Not even loving A Field In England, Sightseers (get Alice Lowe in Who!) and Kill List could get me to watch a Jason Statham giant shark film... Thatâs really great to read, thanks for sharing. Wheatley is one of my favourites, but his Who contribution has always felt quite overlooked. It was never made a fuss of at the time, he didnât really do any press (the Into the Dalek commentary being the exception, which is great!) and the episodes came out and again seemed to omit his contribution. Glad that he loved making it, theyâre two cracking episodes and a stark contrast to one another. I donât think the Daleks have ever looked better than Into the Dalek either and a lot of the shots are toys! I think - reading between the lines and with a distance of 10 years nearly- at, then after, the Q&A when Who came up, Ben put his episodes over very much as Capaldi's debut. And he's a very down to Earth, regular sort anyway as you know. So I'm sure others would have made a BIT more if he directed in say, Season 9, but he was happy to let the spotlight be on the new Doc. Even then, the show still tends to praise directors far less than writers, as does TV in general. Even Rachel Talalay, probably the most popular of the BBC Wales (AND now Disney) era didn't get the love as a director that Moffat got on his RTD stories, or Jamie Matheson's double header in S8. And yes, he found new ways to make Daleks look great which in 2014, in their first appearance since the "every Dalek ever" ep of Asylum, no less - no mean feat. He also shot that TARDIS so well. Journey looking up to see The Doctor when she's brought on board. Small detail but every equivalent case has the person arrive just around the console, level with the Doctor. That shot alone shows why he's a filmaker.
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Post by Alastair on Nov 28, 2023 20:47:50 GMT
Twelveâs journey from abrasive and antisocial to an eccentric kindly uncle with a twinkle in his eye = one of my favourite things about the Capaldi era. Many doctors mellowed over time, but none so deliberately via a consistent creative team. Heâs such a different man at the end that I basically see him as a whole new incarnation by the time he meets Bill â if only so I can get away with this very specific phrase: âPeter Capaldi in S10 is my favourite Doctorâ. For various bittersweet life reasons, I ended 2017 feeling a fundamentally different and stronger person to who I was in 2014. It really resonated to see the Doctor afforded the same very human change. I only recently noticed that his run is explicitly bookended by hugs. His first episode: âI donât think Iâm a hugging person nowâ. His last: very willingly accepting an embrace from two old friends, with altered body language to match. Just beautiful.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 28, 2023 20:56:47 GMT
Can you imagine a Doctor Who version of this? A psychedelic version of The Visitation!
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