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Post by mark687 on Nov 29, 2023 16:09:13 GMT
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Post by ollychops on Nov 29, 2023 16:10:15 GMT
Quite the surprise return that I wasn’t expecting! Not one of my favourite companions but nice to have him back.
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 29, 2023 16:16:10 GMT
Wasn't expecting that one
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Post by melkur on Nov 29, 2023 16:27:44 GMT
I don't think my immediate reaction can be repeated on this forum. I'm another who's never considered C'Rizz to be a favourite companion in the world (far FAR from it), but it's nice to see him back again, I will say.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 17:18:55 GMT
Sweeeeeeeeet. C'rizz was never a fan fave but absence makes the hearts grow....ANGRY. WHERE'S FITZ IF WE NEED OLD MCGANN COMPANIONS?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 17:23:10 GMT
... just when I was thinking about buying this.
I hated C'Rizz !!!
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Nov 29, 2023 17:38:32 GMT
Count me in on the curiosity with the return of C'rizz. I never hated the character and it's always nice to get the odd unexpected return.
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Post by number13 on Nov 29, 2023 18:28:15 GMT
Yay Charley! (As I said hopefully yesterday and someone said look at us getting excited about unannounced Companions and these would be solo Doctor stories... )
...and they've given us the return of C'rizz to boot! That is a surprise and a half. How many Sonatarans need to be 'saved'...?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 19:00:54 GMT
There we go. Bringing back an unexpected old companion and we still have Charley. Everybody wins.
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Post by nardole on Nov 29, 2023 19:18:21 GMT
Excited for this, feel C'rizz did'nt get as good as writing as he deserved so maybe this can help rectify it
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Post by sherlock on Nov 29, 2023 19:25:37 GMT
C’rizz being written with so many years of hindsight does intrigue me. Charley, I’m pretty apathetic to at this point (though maybe her other upcoming appearance will change that).
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Nov 29, 2023 19:49:38 GMT
Sweeeeeeeeet. C'rizz was never a fan fave but absence makes the hearts grow....ANGRY. WHERE'S FITZ IF WE NEED OLD MCGANN COMPANIONS? Fitz …. AND COMPASSION. Imagine the soundscape of inside Compassion, the idea of the Doctor on the run from a totally different Time War with a sentient TARDIS as a companion (who harbours deep resentment towards the Doctor because of certain things he’s done to her) and the quintessential “just a bloke from the 60s, man” companion along for the ride.
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Post by timleschild on Nov 29, 2023 23:30:06 GMT
There we go. Bringing back an unexpected old companion and we still have Charley. Everybody wins. Everybody? Damn Charley! I've never heard a story with C’rizz in it. Seems to be a companion that divides opinion?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 6:36:56 GMT
There we go. Bringing back an unexpected old companion and we still have Charley. Everybody wins. Everybody? Damn Charley! I've never heard a story with C’rizz in it. Seems to be a companion that divides opinion? Very complicated non-human character. I liked him, but his ending was rushed when the eighth doctor range was rebooted, which was a shame.
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Post by number13 on Nov 30, 2023 10:43:08 GMT
Everybody? Damn Charley! I've never heard a story with C’rizz in it. Seems to be a companion that divides opinion? Very complicated non-human character. I liked him, but his ending was rushed when the eighth doctor range was rebooted, which was a shame. I didn't know he was disliked? A good character I thought, but was written better in some stories than others. 'Other Lives' stands out for me in his run.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 12:31:15 GMT
Very complicated non-human character. I liked him, but his ending was rushed when the eighth doctor range was rebooted, which was a shame. I didn't know he was disliked? A good character I thought, but was written better in some stories than others. 'Other Lives' stands out for me in his run. Yes, Other Lives is his best, I think. With him getting to play a sort of Joseph Merrick figure. I've always thought that was an underrated story. But yep - not a popular companion among fans. I don't think it'd be an exaggeration to say he and Brewster were usually the most disliked (and I liked Brewster more than most) in contemporary discussion. Didn't help this was the infamous period McGann wasn't enjoying the stories much and nearly walked away from BF. When Paul went into that more on BF, some even retrospectively blamed Charley and C'rizz as characters rather than the writing of a lot of the Divergent Universe and beyond MR stories for Paul which, yeah, were more misses than hits. But that led to BF devising their answer to "New Who" by giving Paul the 8DAs with Lucie - putting him in 45min episodes as a bridge to the new series. So without the down period and Paul's ambivalence, we don't get that fan fave era and then all that follows that with Dark Eyes, Liv, Helen etc which has been one continioty since Lucie joined. Odd to think, there's a reality where Paul stopped doing BF, but the BBC higher ups didn't say he wasn't a big enough name for the 50th and he played the Hurt role as Moffat intended after talks with Eccleston broke down.
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Post by number13 on Nov 30, 2023 12:41:42 GMT
I didn't know he was disliked? A good character I thought, but was written better in some stories than others. 'Other Lives' stands out for me in his run. Yes, Other Lives is his best, I think. With him getting to play a sort of Joseph Merrick figure. I've always thought that was an underrated story. But yep - not a popular companion among fans. I don't think it'd be an exaggeration to say he and Brewster were usually the most disliked (and I liked Brewster more than most) in contemporary discussion. Didn't help this was the infamous period McGann wasn't enjoying the stories much and nearly walked away from BF. When Paul went into that more on BF, some even retrospectively blamed Charley and C'rizz as characters rather than the writing of a lot of the Divergent Universe and beyond MR stories for Paul which, yeah, were more misses than hits. But that led to BF devising their answer to "New Who" by giving Paul the 8DAs with Lucie - putting him in 45min episodes as a bridge to the new series. So without the down period and Paul's ambivalence, we don't get that fan fave era and then all that follows that with Dark Eyes, Liv, Helen etc which has been one continioty since Lucie joined. Odd to think, there's a reality where Paul stopped doing BF, but the BBC higher ups didn't say he wasn't a big enough name for the 50th and he played the Hurt role as Moffat intended after talks with Eccleston broke down. I have to say that beyond his opening story, Brewster didn't make much of an impact on me. And I found the whole 'I built my own time machine' idea completely ridiculous.
C'rizz is a much more interesting character than a Victorian cheeky chappie imo. As a listener who heard the DU arc a long time after, there are some excellent stories in there and just following: 'Natural History of Fear', 'Caerdroia', 'Other Lives' and 'Memory Lane' spring to mind.
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Post by bonehead on Nov 30, 2023 12:56:09 GMT
Yes, Other Lives is his best, I think. With him getting to play a sort of Joseph Merrick figure. I've always thought that was an underrated story. But yep - not a popular companion among fans. I don't think it'd be an exaggeration to say he and Brewster were usually the most disliked (and I liked Brewster more than most) in contemporary discussion. Didn't help this was the infamous period McGann wasn't enjoying the stories much and nearly walked away from BF. When Paul went into that more on BF, some even retrospectively blamed Charley and C'rizz as characters rather than the writing of a lot of the Divergent Universe and beyond MR stories for Paul which, yeah, were more misses than hits. But that led to BF devising their answer to "New Who" by giving Paul the 8DAs with Lucie - putting him in 45min episodes as a bridge to the new series. So without the down period and Paul's ambivalence, we don't get that fan fave era and then all that follows that with Dark Eyes, Liv, Helen etc which has been one continioty since Lucie joined. Odd to think, there's a reality where Paul stopped doing BF, but the BBC higher ups didn't say he wasn't a big enough name for the 50th and he played the Hurt role as Moffat intended after talks with Eccleston broke down. I have to say that beyond his opening story, Brewster didn't make much of an impact on me. And I found the whole 'I built my own time machine' idea completely ridiculous.
C'rizz is a much more interesting character than a Victorian cheeky chappie imo. As a listener who heard the DU arc a long time after, there are some excellent stories in there and just following: 'Natural History of Fear', 'Caerdroia', 'Other Lives' and 'Memory Lane' spring to mind. I would agree with that. Other Lives in particular wrote C'Rizz very well (I wish Gary Hopkins would return to BF). My favourite would be The Last (also by Hopkins, and completely different in tone). Both stories indicate to me that C'Rizz has to be carefully written for to make an impact. Lizzie Hopley has produced some excellent stories, so I have high hopes for this first instalment at least.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 13:00:32 GMT
Yes, Other Lives is his best, I think. With him getting to play a sort of Joseph Merrick figure. I've always thought that was an underrated story. But yep - not a popular companion among fans. I don't think it'd be an exaggeration to say he and Brewster were usually the most disliked (and I liked Brewster more than most) in contemporary discussion. Didn't help this was the infamous period McGann wasn't enjoying the stories much and nearly walked away from BF. When Paul went into that more on BF, some even retrospectively blamed Charley and C'rizz as characters rather than the writing of a lot of the Divergent Universe and beyond MR stories for Paul which, yeah, were more misses than hits. But that led to BF devising their answer to "New Who" by giving Paul the 8DAs with Lucie - putting him in 45min episodes as a bridge to the new series. So without the down period and Paul's ambivalence, we don't get that fan fave era and then all that follows that with Dark Eyes, Liv, Helen etc which has been one continioty since Lucie joined. Odd to think, there's a reality where Paul stopped doing BF, but the BBC higher ups didn't say he wasn't a big enough name for the 50th and he played the Hurt role as Moffat intended after talks with Eccleston broke down. I have to say that beyond his opening story, Brewster didn't make much of an impact on me. And I found the whole 'I built my own time machine' idea completely ridiculous.
C'rizz is a much more interesting character than a Victorian cheeky chappie imo. As a listener who heard the DU arc a long time after, there are some excellent stories in there and just following: 'Natural History of Fear', 'Caerdroia', 'Other Lives' and 'Memory Lane' spring to mind. I'd say the general concensus for Paul's stories in the MR after the DU (lots of abbreviations in BF and DW in general, IMHO!) was that yes, some very high highs...but a lot of mediocrity. But playing devil's advocate - I'd say that's actually not unique to Paul at the point in question. The first 50 MR stories are better than the next 50 speaking in general. And there was a period soon after where Gary Russell left where things took a good while to settle and standards were slipping. But even if we all loved every one..the stories didn't impress the most important person in the equatiion- the lead actor. Since he was the one saying he was thinking about leaving? I guess none of our subjective opinion would matter there...Paul didn't like the direction. But the threat of him leaving caused many wonderful things when BF devised the 8DAs and, that we know of, everything has been grand ever since.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 21:18:58 GMT
I didn't know he was disliked? A good character I thought, but was written better in some stories than others. 'Other Lives' stands out for me in his run. Well I didn't like C'Rizz, but I can't speak for anyone else.... as a character I didn't think he was very well written and he came across as an annoying extra to me. I did think he was a confusing character too but the biggest problem I had was that he actually spoilt the Doctor-Charley dynamic for me - which I loved - as opposed to enhancing it. The Eighth Doctor and Charley Pollard adventures were new Doctor Who back then and were rolling along quite nicely. Throwing C'Rizz in to the mix just didn't work for me. Of course, with the writers Big Finish have today C'Rizz could well benefit from taking a drink from the Big Finish 'Cup of Redemption'... so we'll see how his return goes.
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