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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 2:34:39 GMT
If Gatiss turns in a few more like Crimson Horror, Night Terrors, Unquiet Dead and Night Terrors, I'd gladly have him back for years to come
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Post by constonks on Jan 23, 2016 2:36:36 GMT
I liked Moffat (as much as Davies - I've got no preference there at this point) but I think we all knew his time had come.
As for Chibnall, he was a good head writer for Torchwood I suppose. I liked Power of Three and his Silurian episodes. But ultimately you can't judge the man until he's done his first series. Moffat was a fairly different writer when he moved from middle-episodes to premieres and finales; I'm sure Chibnall will surprise us in some when his time comes - hopefully in an amazing (and most importantly - NEW) way.
I'd like to know where he stands on the EU and making it all fit together. Obviously he's an old school fan - and let's be honest, that kid in the video probably picked up a VNA or two.
The saddest part of this announcement, though, is that there's nothing but Christmas Who in 2016. Mostly because I figured 2016 had a chance of being Capaldi's last year but maybe - just maybe - he would stick it out through 2017. Do I think he'll enter Year 5 as the Doctor? Not even slightly.
I hope I'm wrong. If I'm not, Peter ends up with the least episodes since Christopher Eccleston...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 2:37:39 GMT
And BTW, how awesome that the BBC are so confident in the show they just toss off "Yeah, in Series 11 when Chris takes over...." How many shows are so important they get seasons promoted 2 years early? Moffat did sa interview some place that the BBC has a five year plan for the show. This is their international cash cow. It ain't going no where. No-one said it is.. My point was about promotion and announcements.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 2:44:09 GMT
I'd like to know where he stands on the EU and making it all fit together. Obviously he's an old school fan - and let's be honest, that kid in the video probably picked up a VNA or two. The saddest part of this announcement, though, is that there's nothing but Christmas Who in 2016. Mostly because I figured 2016 had a chance of being Capaldi's last year but maybe - just maybe - he would stick it out through 2017. Do I think he'll enter Year 5 as the Doctor? Not even slightly. I hope I'm wrong. If I'm not, Peter ends up with the least episodes since Christopher Eccleston... He was old enough to be writing for the books, certainly later on, but never did. He came up through theatre rather than Who spinoffs. Really quite different from Moffat and RTD's journeys but they all reached the same destination And don't worry about Capaldi - he's signed up. Not for a calendar year (2016) but for the series (10). So we'll get at least 13 more with him. That's been public for a while now from the man himself.
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Post by Digi on Jan 23, 2016 4:12:24 GMT
Sorry to be a grump at the party, everyone It's okay Michael. Negative opinions are allowed. As long as we all respect each other's opinions. Negative opinions? Oh-diddly-dear!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 4:15:24 GMT
Seeing some REAL bile on Facebook about Chibnall. Jesus...some people clearly shouldn't watch Doctor Who. The main character would absolutely detest them being so cruel and cowardly. By all means - have reservations but some of what I'm seeing on social media is disgusting and hateful. I can only imagine what Gallifrey Base is like! It makes you realise how level mannered this forum is. It's the internet, sadly - it makes the small feel tall.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 4:21:18 GMT
Whatever you're imagining is far tamer than what you'll find there. The comment board on the Den of Geek article also has quite a bit of bile. I'm not going to judge until there's material to judge, and I'll judge it on it's own merits instead of comparing it to something else. Some people just don't deserve the internet. We should be used to seeing crap like that, I guess. The worst was with RTD. Every week's new ep brought waves of homophobia to Outpost Gallifrey (as was) and the mods did nothing. At least Moffat was usually attacked for his work and not his existence! It makes me worry how ashamed I'll be when we get our first female or ethnic minority actor as The Doctor. Fandom doesn't have a good record. Yikes. I'm glad I wasn't part of online fandom back then. Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 4:24:35 GMT
I wonder what Moffat's next project will be?
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Post by omega on Jan 23, 2016 4:28:10 GMT
We should be used to seeing crap like that, I guess. The worst was with RTD. Every week's new ep brought waves of homophobia to Outpost Gallifrey (as was) and the mods did nothing. At least Moffat was usually attacked for his work and not his existence! It makes me worry how ashamed I'll be when we get our first female or ethnic minority actor as The Doctor. Fandom doesn't have a good record. Yikes. I'm glad I wasn't part of online fandom back then. Jesus. I read that Jacqueline Rayner looked on Outpost Gallifrey (the old Gallifrey Base) and was horrified at what people were saying about Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks. RTD could be very unsubtle about getting his views into his episodes, from guests of The End of World asked to leave religion among other things at the door to the infamous gay agenda practically embodied by Jack (only one RTD finale went without John Barrowman appearing, and that's probably because he was filming Torchwood at the time). People on online forums can be highly flammable, and it takes only a spark to get them going. This news is a lot of dropped lighters. EDIT: Brain fart, it was Helen, not Jacqueline. Forgive me my mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 5:03:23 GMT
Yikes. I'm glad I wasn't part of online fandom back then. Jesus. I read that Jacqueline Rayner looked on Outpost Gallifrey (the old Gallifrey Base) and was horrified at what people were saying about Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks. RTD could be very unsubtle about getting his views into his episodes, from guests of The End of World asked to leave religion among other things at the door to the infamous gay agenda practically embodied by Jack (only one RTD finale went without John Barrowman appearing, and that's probably because he was filming Torchwood at the time). People on online forums can be highly flammable, and it takes only a spark to get them going. This news is a lot of dropped lighters. Ah, the 'gay agenda' :rolls eyes: God forbid, there's a family show which doesn't make children feel bad about themselves. I do find it odd that RTD's swipes at religion were taken so negativily. Okay, on the one hand, I think it'd be nice if there was a televised Doctor Who story out there one day which showcases religion in a more understanding light but RTD's stance was nothing new. Who has always been for the most increibly anti-religion. Whether or not, that a stance which suits the character is a debate for another time, but isn't that always been part of the parcel of being a Doctor Who fan?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 5:13:10 GMT
I read that Jacqueline Rayner looked on Outpost Gallifrey (the old Gallifrey Base) and was horrified at what people were saying about Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks. RTD could be very unsubtle about getting his views into his episodes, from guests of The End of World asked to leave religion among other things at the door to the infamous gay agenda practically embodied by Jack (only one RTD finale went without John Barrowman appearing, and that's probably because he was filming Torchwood at the time). People on online forums can be highly flammable, and it takes only a spark to get them going. This news is a lot of dropped lighters. Ah, the 'gay agenda' :rolls eyes: God forbid there's a family show which doesn't make children feel bad about themselves. I do find it odd that RTD's swipes at religion were taken so negativily. Okay, on the one hand, I think it'd be nice if there was a televised Doctor Who story out there one day which showcases religion in a more understanding light but RTD's stance was nothing new. Who has always been for the most increibly anti-religion. Whether or not, that a stance which suits the character is a debate for another time, but isn't that always been part of the parcel of being a Doctor Who fan? Or encourage a different world view. He's only alien after all, he should be as conservative as the rest of us humans. Exactly. What people often forget is that the Doctor is a self-professed scientist, who finds religion to be a superstitious and silly practice. So, what? I'm all for exploring spirituality, but you don't see me picketing the Doctor because he (for the most part) doesn't believe in institutions created to express belief in a divine power. Although, his attitude towards it varies depending on the writer. Sometimes he's fervently against the practice of superstitious beliefs, other times he encourages a certain sense of otherworldliness and even further times still you get the Sixth Doctor's answer to whether or not he believes in a god in The Marian Conspiracy, "I... don't know." However in spite of that, it's often very difficult to bring up such a discussion on other forums. From my experiences, Gallifrey Base is a weird toxic sort of place. Not the kind of locale where you can have a thoughtful conversation without someone aggressively waving an agenda in your face. You're always fighting to have your voice heard, rather than calmly discussing the actual topic at hand. Anyway, Moffat's out? I want everyone to know that I respect anyone who adores or even just likes the Moffat era, he's a terrific writer when he has the requisite time and space and I really do mean that, but I... have to go... celebrate... now... EDIT: Okay, I've done the Dance of Joy. I really hope that Peter Capaldi gets to stay on for a long while yet. The impulse on both the actor's and the producer's side will be to remove him and get someone else, but I'd hate to see him vanish into the aether so soon. It'd be Colin Baker's tenure all over again, tumultuous and felled after a scant two(ish) years in the role.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 6:58:56 GMT
While I've found Chibnall's scripts uninspiring, Moffat proved to me that script writing isn't the number one qualification to be a great show runner.
I might have to check out Broadchurch, but in the meantime I am delighted that season 11 of Doctor Who has been confirmed for 2018, and this early confirmation of a showrunner should allow Chibnall to work early on it and a) avoid the need for any further gap b) make a quick decision about whether to exercise the option for another year of Capaldi c) have some influence in season 10 (involvement in the choice of companion etc)
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Post by chrism on Jan 23, 2016 7:50:01 GMT
Mixed feelings on both aspects of this. I adore Moffats work, have loved his time on the show and found he's casting choices for the leads to be inspired. So, I shall miss him, but it feels that it's the right time.
Now, Chibnall I'm struggling with a little. Broadchurch is amazing, completely incredible and his season 2 TW stuff was probably the best of that season but whenever I've heard his name mentioned in relation to a Who episode, well, I just sigh. They're OK, nothing special, Who-by-numbers type affairs. I hope that once he takes the reigns and has a season to sculpt into his vision of Who that some of the brilliance of his work on other shows shines through.
I was so excited when Moffat took over, but this has just left me cold really. Would have preferred Gatiss or Whithouse if I'm entirely honest.
On a side note, I really hope Capaldi stays for year 4, it feels he's barely bugun and already the writings on the wall due to this announcement. It would make perfect sense that a new Showrunner would want a clean slate.
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Post by kfbate on Jan 23, 2016 9:11:13 GMT
As Terry Pratchett stole the ancient Chinese proverb and made it a more identifiable to me in my teenage years, that "We live in Interesting times" maybe this is the proverbial broom that sometimes needs to be swept in order to gain some credence of change. This maybe a likewise change, although we have the constant, Who, sometimes it takes someone else to make it all sort of tick. All too often a safe pair of hands may lead to uninteresting work, and sometimes it takes perhaps a left of centre option to give back what may have started to be missing. I for one will wait and see and judge the new guy's work on the output that we see coming forth. The one factor that I am happy with is that they haven't stole any of the wonderful people from Big Finish, which is something that was running through my head when all of this started to become apparent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 9:13:36 GMT
Gallifrey Base is one of the most hostile forums I've ever seen, i would never comment on there cause I'd end up arguing with so many keyboard warriors.
The hung drawn & quartered Chibnall before we've even seen were he's taking the show.
Give the man a chance before condemning him.
My heart says Capaldi will stay but my head says he'll leave with Moffat.
Chibnall Must Go is also on Doctor Who online, i wonder if it's the same keyboard warrior?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 9:57:45 GMT
Seeing some REAL bile on Facebook about Chibnall. Jesus...some people clearly shouldn't watch Doctor Who. The main character would absolutely detest them being so cruel and cowardly. By all means - have reservations but some of what I'm seeing on social media is disgusting and hateful. I can only imagine what Gallifrey Base is like! It makes you realise how level mannered this forum is. It is SCARY isn't it? And really depressing. This is one reason why I'm so glad this forum exists. Negative opinions are absolutely fine - I have a few myself - but the difference between poster MichaelHocking apologising (unneccessarily! ) for being a 'grump' and the vitriol pouring out on Facebook is ... more of a yawning chasm, I'd say!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 10:03:37 GMT
Seeing some REAL bile on Facebook about Chibnall. Jesus...some people clearly shouldn't watch Doctor Who. The main character would absolutely detest them being so cruel and cowardly. By all means - have reservations but some of what I'm seeing on social media is disgusting and hateful. I can only imagine what Gallifrey Base is like! It makes you realise how level mannered this forum is. It is SCARY isn't it? And really depressing. This is one reason why I'm so glad this forum exists. Negative opinions are absolutely fine - I have a few myself - but the difference between poster MichaelHocking apologising (unneccessarily! ) for being a 'grump' and the vitriol pouring out on Facebook is ... more of a yawning chasm, I'd say! It's why I love this forum so much. It's a wonderful little place held together by people just being terribly nice to each other. I'm glad it's here.
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Post by aztec on Jan 23, 2016 10:54:05 GMT
Really, really conflicted about this news, but here are my thoughts:
I was never Moffat's biggest fan as a showrunner (I loved series 5 and 9, and liked 8 for the most part, but I didn't personally enjoy what I saw of Series 6/7 very much) and I think it's clear he was beginning to get a little tired and over stretched by the stress and workload of the show, but even so he was a huge fan of the show, and a clearly a very creative, talented writer who continually pushed the series into new areas...he'll be sorely missed I think.
Honestly, I think Moffat had been in the job long enough that it was to be expected he would be stepping down either this year or the next (and it's probably for the best, both for the health of the show and his!) and although I'm rather annoyed there's going to be no series next year (at least give us some minisodes or audiobooks or something....) that may also be for the best, giving time for Moffat and possibly Capaldi to go out on a bang, and allowing Chibnall more time to get series 11 off to a good start (hopefully)
I don't want to come across as rude to Chibnall (I know he has his fans, and I've heard great stuff about Broadchurch) but of all of Chibnalls' Who efforts the only one I've actually seen and liked was 42, so his appointment as showrunner hasn't got me particularly excited either way (was hoping Toby Whithouse would get the job personally...though I wouldn't be surprised if Chibnall was the only one mad enough to take in on lol)...but I suppose it's far too early to pass judgement...
Really, really hope Capaldi is given the option to stay on if he wants, it feels like he's barely got started...though I'd understand if the BBC want to use 2018 as a way to semi-reboot the series again, as they did in 2010.
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Post by aztec on Jan 23, 2016 10:57:00 GMT
Gallifrey Base is one of the most hostile forums I've ever seen, i would never comment on there cause I'd end up arguing with so many keyboard warriors. The hung drawn & quartered Chibnall before we've even seen were he's taking the show. Give the man a chance before condemning him. My heart says Capaldi will stay but my head says he'll leave with Moffat. Chibnall Must Go is also on Doctor Who online, i wonder if it's the same keyboard warrior? It seems some fans are never happier than when they aren't pleased! I gurantee within six weeks of Chibnall's first ep as showrunner many of the very seem people will be demanding Moffat is reinstated... He wouldn't have been my personal choice to take over, but I'm certainly willing to give him a chance.
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Post by aztec on Jan 23, 2016 10:58:28 GMT
It's funny how Big Finish will be producing and releasing more New Series material than the BBC this year! There's the War Doctor, Tenth Doctor and Donna, UNIT and Classic Doctors New Monsters. Personally, I'm most looking forward to more David Tennant and Catherine Tate. Since there's no series next year maybe the BBC could do a one off deal with BF and let them do a few audiobooks or specials with Capaldi to bridge the gap...a fan can dream... One other thing I'm taking away from this is the confidence the BBC are showing in Who, not many British Tv shows of the scale make it to 11 series and even fewer are renewed this far in advance...
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