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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 3, 2016 23:45:44 GMT
In the spirit of DalekBuster523finish's post we thought it best to both open the thread up to anyone who wants or feels a need to disclose anything that might impact their posts in ways people may not expect or understand without the disclosure (this could be a health issue, it could be that you do paid work for X, or anything really) but remember posting anything here is entirely voluntary.
If your here posting because you think you should, or because someone told you so, STOP. Posting anything here is at your discretion and no one elses.
The Moderation Team.
I had a bit of an incident on another forum that has led me to think it might be a good idea to create a thread where people can share if they have a disability. It would be great if the moderators could pin this as it could potentially help those of us who have a disability that may affect the way we post.
I'll start: I have a mild case of autism and sometimes it can impact the way I interact with people and engage in conversations.
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Post by redsharkJason on Mar 4, 2016 2:52:35 GMT
I had a bit of an incident on another forum that has led me to think it might be a good idea to create a thread where people can share if they have a disability. It would be great if the moderators could pin this as it could potentially help those of us who have a disability that may affect the way we post. I'll start: I have a mild case of autism and sometimes it can impact the way I interact with people and engage in conversations. With or without this thread, I think your current heads-up message at the bottom of all your postings for this forum is a step in the right direction. I'm tinkering a little, what about... "I have autism and sometimes that can affect the way I post come across. No offense EVER intended."
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Post by Ela on Mar 4, 2016 5:32:12 GMT
I'm don't think such a message needs to be at the bottom of every post, honestly.
I'm sure it's not easy to start a thread like this, letting people know about personal disabilities and how it may affect how one comes across.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2016 6:23:53 GMT
Dalekbuster523finish, I feel proud that you are able to share you condition with us, but saddened that events on another forum have led you to feel compelled to do so.
We should all treat each other with tolerance and respect and not make assumptions about each other or the reasons behind why we have posted the way we have.
Healthy debate is good, and your posts have been excellent for healthy debate. You can be a bit strident in your positioning, so I can see where conversations sometimes start to get heated, but it's just important when that happens for everyone to take a deep breath and let calmness prevail, whether a disability was involved or not.
Got to say, I was just thinking I had seen you about much recently, and was hoping you hadn't taken offence at one of the robust conversations that had been held. Good to see you back, I've never minded how you've said anything, and to be honest, it's been less interesting without you.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 4, 2016 8:41:48 GMT
Dalekbuster523finish, I feel proud that you are able to share you condition with us, but saddened that events on another forum have led you to feel compelled to do so. We should all treat each other with tolerance and respect and not make assumptions about each other or the reasons behind why we have posted the way we have. Healthy debate is good, and your posts have been excellent for healthy debate. You can be a bit strident in your positioning, so I can see where conversations sometimes start to get heated, but it's just important when that happens for everyone to take a deep breath and let calmness prevail, whether a disability was involved or not. Got to say, I was just thinking I had seen you about much recently, and was hoping you hadn't taken offence at one of the robust conversations that had been held. Good to see you back, I've never minded how you've said anything, and to be honest, it's been less interesting without you. Thanks. I've been very busy currently with university stuff so consequently I haven't been on this forum as much.
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Post by acousticwolf on Mar 4, 2016 11:03:23 GMT
I'm not sure how I feel about this thread ... please bear with me ... I understand dalekbuster523finish 's reasoning and admire his post (kudos to you sir), but having a son who is currently being investigated for being on the Autistic Spectrum (and working with someone who has Aspergers) I am very aware of negative reactions that can appear through the (un)kindly assignment of "labels". We already have forum rules that state: We respect your opinions and you are welcome to express them in a thoughtful and respectful manner. At times we all disagree, but it's the manner in which we disagree that is important.Respect your fellow members. Refrain from making inflammatory or defamatory comments (including but not limited to: flaming, taunting, degrading comments, and general disrespect). Do not simply reject or belittle the opinion or advice given by others. If you don't agree with it and want to say so, say why - respectfully.This forum is all about respect and I don't want anybody to feel that they have to announce to the world any personal disabilities/issues/labels because of the way they may come across in a post - discrimination is discrimination (even if it's positive). We don't want "Hi, my name's .... and I have ...". After all, I might have to add "I post the way I post because I'm an ass" to my signature . Seriously though, as @brians said Sorry if this has come across as negative and a bit of a rant. It's a very emotive (but interesting) thread you've started dalekbuster523finish and I'm still not sure about it. I may open a discussion with other Mods about it. Cheers Tony ... AND ... I post the way I post because I'm an ass!
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Post by Ela on Mar 4, 2016 14:23:07 GMT
Well said, acousticwolf. I don't want anyone here to feel stigmatized because they have a disability, or feel they have to announce it here in order to be accepted. We all have our faults and foibles. And Internet communication can be difficult for anyone, lacking as it is in the physical cues we get in person or even the audio cues we get in vocal communication
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 4, 2016 14:46:50 GMT
Well said, acousticwolf . I don't want anyone here to feel stigmatized because they have a disability, or feel they have to announce it here in order to be accepted. We all have our faults and foibles. And Internet communication can be difficult for anyone, lacking as it is in the physical cues we get in person or even the audio cues we get in vocal communication Oh, I don't want to force anyone to say they also have a disability. I just thought it may help if there's somewhere for people to say it. I understand if this thread gets locked or deleted though.
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Post by acousticwolf on Mar 4, 2016 15:58:55 GMT
Well said, acousticwolf . I don't want anyone here to feel stigmatized because they have a disability, or feel they have to announce it here in order to be accepted. We all have our faults and foibles. And Internet communication can be difficult for anyone, lacking as it is in the physical cues we get in person or even the audio cues we get in vocal communication Oh, I don't want to force anyone to say they also have a disability. I just thought it may help if there's somewhere for people to say it. I understand if this thread gets locked or deleted though. You are right and anyone is free to share if they want to. Just to let everyone know, we (the staff) are talking about the best way forward with the thread and while it is unlikely to be removed, we may rename it (if you are happy with that dalekbuster523finish ?) and perhaps add something (from the staff) to your original post. We'll keep you posted Cheers Tony
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 4, 2016 16:38:55 GMT
Oh, I don't want to force anyone to say they also have a disability. I just thought it may help if there's somewhere for people to say it. I understand if this thread gets locked or deleted though. You are right and anyone is free to share if they want to. Just to let everyone know, we (the staff) are talking about the best way forward with the thread and while it is unlikely to be removed, we may rename it (if you are happy with that dalekbuster523finish ?) and perhaps add something (from the staff) to your original post. Of course.
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Post by Ela on Mar 4, 2016 17:35:56 GMT
Well said, acousticwolf . I don't want anyone here to feel stigmatized because they have a disability, or feel they have to announce it here in order to be accepted. We all have our faults and foibles. And Internet communication can be difficult for anyone, lacking as it is in the physical cues we get in person or even the audio cues we get in vocal communication Oh, I don't want to force anyone to say they also have a disability. I just thought it may help if there's somewhere for people to say it. I understand if this thread gets locked or deleted though. I don't want you to feel forced to disclose a disability, either. You have as much right to be here as everyone else. We all have to work to be civil with each other and abide by the rules of the forum.
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Post by redsharkJason on Mar 4, 2016 20:00:31 GMT
It's crossed my mind that I may have previously been misinterpreted that I possibly support disclosing our imperfections. Which I can assure everyone is absolutely not the case. Supporting one's freedom of expression would be much closer to the truth. If it makes the individual feel better to do so, any message the member wants to display on their signature is what I am in support of. Whether it being a serious notation or fluff.
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Post by acousticwolf on Mar 4, 2016 20:50:42 GMT
It's crossed my mind that I may have previously been misinterpreted that I possibly support disclosing our imperfections. Which I can assure everyone is absolutely not the case. Supporting one's freedom of expression would be much closer to the truth. If it makes the individual feel better to do so, any message the member wants to display on their signature is what I am in support of. Whether it being a serious notation or fluff. I don't think anyone thought that, so don't worry about it . It's such an emotive issue that we want everyone to be welcome and not to be stigmatised (great word, thanks Ela) but at the same time we want to support anyone who feels they want to disclose or discuss these things. We just want to get it right . Cheers Tony
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Post by redsharkJason on Mar 4, 2016 21:45:30 GMT
we want everyone to be welcome and not to be stigmatised Fantastic! I personally think the Magnus Magister and Dalekbuster523 types are generally among the most interesting comment posters. They are very knowledgeable and passionate about their Doctor Who, which in turn creates worthy of note discussion.
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Post by jasonward on Mar 4, 2016 23:19:09 GMT
Indeed I just wanted to echo acousticwolf's post, I have so far refrained from posting on this thread because I personally found it very emotive, and my reaction and thoughts very mixed from very positive to really quite negative, and from things said both here and in private I know others share that mix, and indeed because of this, we as the team of moderators and admins want to make sure we strike the right note, and not cause upset, alarm or offense to anyone, whilst at the same time allowing people to say what they feel the need or desire to say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 7:26:33 GMT
As a suggestion for the mods, in my disability training I've been taught that voluntary self-disclosure is very important, both for tue person involved and for aiding the people around that person to understand and better accomodate the requirements of tueir disability. An associate of mine is the former chair of disability rights UK and was very passionate about that point. Creating an environment, perhaps a dedicated thread for discussing our own disabilities, might be helpful. Dalekbuster523finish will hopefully feel able to post more freely now he has made this disclosure, and I certainly appreciate it, as it helps me appreciate his posts and make allowances where necessary.
Dalekbuster523finish, there is a wonderful, challenging book on the subject of dealing with disability that my friend has written which deals with topics such as this. If you haven't got it you may want to consider doing so. It's called "why are you pretending to be normal" and is available on amazon etc.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 5, 2016 21:32:36 GMT
As a suggestion for the mods, in my disability training I've been taught that voluntary self-disclosure is very important, both for tue person involved and for aiding the people around that person to understand and better accomodate the requirements of tueir disability. An associate of mine is the former chair of disability rights UK and was very passionate about that point. Creating an environment, perhaps a dedicated thread for discussing our own disabilities, might be helpful. Dalekbuster523finish will hopefully feel able to post more freely now he has made this disclosure, and I certainly appreciate it, as it helps me appreciate his posts and make allowances where necessary. Dalekbuster523finish, there is a wonderful, challenging book on the subject of dealing with disability that my friend has written which deals with topics such as this. If you haven't got it you may want to consider doing so. It's called "why are you pretending to be normal" and is available on amazon etc. That title...it's like it was chosen by me.
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Post by mrfuggleboppins on Mar 6, 2016 0:37:42 GMT
I'll start: I have a mild case of autism and sometimes it can impact the way I interact with people and engage in conversations. same tbh
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 0:02:14 GMT
Ultimately, it's a debate that all boils down to choice. The discussion up above has more than convinced me this is coming from a good place, so I'll volunteer up mine. I've got a posttraumatic stress disorder and I've never seen a battlefield in my entire life so far.
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Post by Timelord007 on May 4, 2016 7:28:48 GMT
Well i always been upfront & honest about my mental health issues, depression, bipolar, ocd, ptsd, because even though it's a soul destroying illness & takes it's toll on me it's part of who i am & I'm not ashamed of it, i met many people online who have had similar issues to my own & have supported me as i them.
Stand tall & proud Dalekbuster don't ever feel ashamed of being a little different just accept it's part of who you are.
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