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Post by redsharkJason on Mar 4, 2016 8:25:39 GMT
Continuity experts, what is the Doctor's (1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + War + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 post-The Husbands of River Song) age in entirety?
Note: This video was published prior to The Magician's Apprentice being aired. Before the Doctor's several billion time copies of him being trapped 4.5 billion years within his confession dial and the 24 years he spent with River on Darillium.
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Post by omega on Mar 4, 2016 8:51:52 GMT
IMO Heaven Sent should only account for one cycle of the loop, as the Doctor who emerges onto Gallifrey for Hell Bent only experiences one loop, all the other versions of him ended when they sacrificed themselves to power up the transmat.
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Post by redsharkJason on Mar 4, 2016 9:18:26 GMT
IMO Heaven Sent should only account for one cycle of the loop, as the Doctor who emerges onto Gallifrey for Hell Bent only experiences one loop, all the other versions of him ended when they sacrificed themselves to power up the transmat. What about the connection of the Doctor minutely retaining the consciousness of each time copy upon escaping? Does that not imply that his "other versions" are him in accumulation?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 4, 2016 14:05:05 GMT
I'd say minus the Billions of years in Heaven Sent, if you combine all the years i'd say he's now close to 4,000 years old. I think the 8th was nearly 2,000 years old when he appeared in NOTD, then if you take the Seasons of War idea where he had some youth granted back to him and fought the time war. The War Doctor was around 800 years old in DOTD i think, so with Capaldi saying he was 2,000 before Heaven Sent. I think its, close to 4,000.
Also i actually commented on this video when it was first uploaded lol
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 4, 2016 14:51:58 GMT
I think 4000 is a reasonable guess, although I'd say exactly 4001 because why not be specific?
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Post by mrperson on Mar 5, 2016 16:48:36 GMT
I think Moffat has removed that question from the table, as far as specifics go. Although 11 gave his age as 1203 in S6, he also repeatedly stated later on that he has no real idea because he lost count. As noted above, we have Capaldi saying "I'm over 2,000 years old". And then there's the problem of Heaven Sent, where he encounters the wall, goes into his mind, and remarks that he remembers "everything, every time" (ie, every time he discovers the wall). So physically he's whatever thousands of years old....but mentally, arguably billions. Or not, because perhaps he 'erases' some of that to avoid going insane and/or forgetting everything else about his life. There's also some inconsistency if BF is all "canon" Orbis stays on the planet for around 600 years, however long a year is on that planet, it's enough to make him not want to travel anymore
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Post by relativetime on Mar 5, 2016 18:59:03 GMT
I concur with the 4,000 years old estimate. I'm also of the opinion that the War Doctor must have restarted the age count and that all Doctors afterwards have been using that as an estimate for their age. We know it takes hundreds of years for a single incarnation of the Doctor to age to death (the Eleventh Doctor, for instance) and the War Doctor started off young. Then again, who knows, really?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 10:28:57 GMT
I think Moffat has removed that question from the table, as far as specifics go. Although 11 gave his age as 1203 in S6, he also repeatedly stated later on that he has no real idea because he lost count. As noted above, we have Capaldi saying "I'm over 2,000 years old". And then there's the problem of Heaven Sent, where he encounters the wall, goes into his mind, and remarks that he remembers "everything, every time" (ie, every time he discovers the wall). So physically he's whatever thousands of years old....but mentally, arguably billions. Or not, because perhaps he 'erases' some of that to avoid going insane and/or forgetting everything else about his life. There's also some inconsistency if BF is all "canon" Orbis stays on the planet for around 600 years, however long a year is on that planet, it's enough to make him not want to travel anymore That, the millions of years he spent frozen in the Antarctic in, um... Frozen Time and the ridiculous number of iterations he went through in Campaign as well. There's also the Third Doctor's slip about being thousands of years old in The Silurians, but then he also claims to have known the Brigadier for "all the years" rather than the single year he's been trapped on Earth in Inferno too, so it could easily just be some trademark Pertwee bluster. There are times when I wonder whether the Doctor is measuring his total age or just the age of his present incarnation. My running pet theory until Tennant was that the nine hundred years mentioned by the Ninth Doctor was referring exclusively to his own life prior to him turning up to thwart the Auton invasion.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Mar 6, 2016 10:34:08 GMT
The Matt Smith Doctor aged a thousand years! Plus, you have to add all the War Doctor years!
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Post by constonks on Mar 13, 2016 10:19:06 GMT
Saved this scribble on my phone a while back:
That's essentially my opinion on it. Between forgotten memories, being frozen and all the Time War business, he's ancient at this point.
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