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Post by tuigirl on Feb 10, 2020 19:04:26 GMT
Ha, well, as I said, that WOULD make for a great fearsome monster! And they would not be cannibals, anyways, because cannibals eat their own species.... that does not sound human to me!
I in general like the audio commentaries, it was one of the main reasons I got Trial of Timelord (although I found out it is by far not as bad as everybody makes it out to be). Many of these commentaries are pure fun!
True, true. But, are we sure that the Androgums don't eat their own kind? The fate of the less fortunate Grigs in their clan wars, perhaps? Yeah, wonky though some parts may be (mainly due to external pressure), there's a lot to recommend Trial. I think the problem for a very long time was that it was a lot of build-up for a pay-off that didn't really begin to arrive until ten(ish) years later. We got an intermission rather than a resolution. Fortunately, over the 30+ years since then, there's been a tonne of development for ol' Sixie. The Valeyard's one of my favourite adversaries for that reason. Pit him against the Doctor and they're each other's shadow. Yin and yang. Every unwanted thought made manifest in a mirror of flesh and bone. The vulturine Skeksis to his elder urRu, to use Dark Crystal terms. Both unwilling to admit that they are the same person from different angles. And what does the Sixth Doctor do? He straightens his coat and goes: "Alright, yes. You're me. But, you don't define me," stepping past and beginning to enjoy his life again. Of course Androgums would eat each other. But I think it might be more of an honor than a victim/ punishment role. The whole Grig will have a feast and devour the deceased chieftain to let not one gram of his body go to waste and be consumed by lesser creatures.
Man, you could so much with them.
Exactly, the underlying idea of Trial of a Timelord is fine. As so often, it was the execution and the drama behind the scenes that dragged it down. And the Valeyard, by himself, was not a bad idea.
I am so much looking forward to seeing both Colin and Michael Jayston at the convention- I hope they have some stage time together. That would be iconic.
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Post by polly on Feb 10, 2020 22:03:18 GMT
The Deadly Assassin - Love this one. Wish we could have seen Crispy Master more often on TV before he turned into Anthony Ainley. Coulda like stuck him in Key to Time for a story as the Black Guardian's champion or something.
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Post by number13 on Feb 10, 2020 23:57:08 GMT
True, true. But, are we sure that the Androgums don't eat their own kind? The fate of the less fortunate Grigs in their clan wars, perhaps? Yeah, wonky though some parts may be (mainly due to external pressure), there's a lot to recommend Trial. I think the problem for a very long time was that it was a lot of build-up for a pay-off that didn't really begin to arrive until ten(ish) years later. We got an intermission rather than a resolution. Fortunately, over the 30+ years since then, there's been a tonne of development for ol' Sixie. The Valeyard's one of my favourite adversaries for that reason. Pit him against the Doctor and they're each other's shadow. Yin and yang. Every unwanted thought made manifest in a mirror of flesh and bone. The vulturine Skeksis to his elder urRu, to use Dark Crystal terms. Both unwilling to admit that they are the same person from different angles. And what does the Sixth Doctor do? He straightens his coat and goes: "Alright, yes. You're me. But, you don't define me," stepping past and beginning to enjoy his life again. Of course Androgums would eat each other. But I think it might be more of an honor than a victim/ punishment role. The whole Grig will have a feast and devour the deceased chieftain to let not one gram of his body go to waste and be consumed by lesser creatures.
Man, you could so much with them.
Exactly, the underlying idea of Trial of a Timelord is fine. As so often, it was the execution and the drama behind the scenes that dragged it down. And the Valeyard, by himself, was not a bad idea.
I am so much looking forward to seeing both Colin and Michael Jayston at the convention- I hope they have some stage time together. That would be iconic. I like the Trial season! Well, maybe not the last episode so much but overall I do.
The Androgums are a typically good Robert Holmes idea - as Wolfie commented, in the novel he does what CGI could now do and makes Shockeye a monstrous, terrifying ogre of a creature. I can well imagine they would all tuck into their former chieftains as a mark of respect! Yuk! My favourite Sixth Doctor TV story too.
The Sixie costume is brilliant!, look forward to your reports from the convention.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 0:04:33 GMT
Of course Androgums would eat each other. But I think it might be more of an honor than a victim/ punishment role. The whole Grig will have a feast and devour the deceased chieftain to let not one gram of his body go to waste and be consumed by lesser creatures.
Man, you could so much with them.
Exactly, the underlying idea of Trial of a Timelord is fine. As so often, it was the execution and the drama behind the scenes that dragged it down. And the Valeyard, by himself, was not a bad idea.
I am so much looking forward to seeing both Colin and Michael Jayston at the convention- I hope they have some stage time together. That would be iconic. I like the Trial season! Well, maybe not the last episode so much but overall I do.
The Androgums are a typically good Robert Holmes idea - as Wolfie commented, in the novel he does what CGI could now do and makes Shockeye a monstrous, terrifying ogre of a creature. I can well imagine they would all tuck into their former chieftains as a mark of respect! Yuk! My favourite Sixth Doctor TV story too.
The Sixie costume is brilliant!, look forward to your reports from the convention.
If you ever want a good commentary drinking game - take a shot of something every time Jacqueline Pearce answers any question, or responds to anything at all with a one word "DAHHHLING!" - you'll be under the table by the time the action even gets to Spain!
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Post by melkur on Feb 11, 2020 1:01:19 GMT
Well, it's taken me six days, but I'm currently winding down for the evening with the last two episodes of "The Daleks' Masterplan"...
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Post by number13 on Feb 11, 2020 12:23:35 GMT
I like the Trial season! Well, maybe not the last episode so much but overall I do.
The Androgums are a typically good Robert Holmes idea - as Wolfie commented, in the novel he does what CGI could now do and makes Shockeye a monstrous, terrifying ogre of a creature. I can well imagine they would all tuck into their former chieftains as a mark of respect! Yuk! My favourite Sixth Doctor TV story too.
The Sixie costume is brilliant!, look forward to your reports from the convention.
If you ever want a good commentary drinking game - take a shot of something every time Jacqueline Pearce answers any question, or responds to anything at all with a one word "DAHHHLING!" - you'll be under the table by the time the action even gets to Spain! "DAHHHLING!", you're so right!
Lol! One thing I don't follow my Doctor in is his love of a few glasses of fine vintage, but otherwise I know exactly what you mean! I could try it with fruit juice, the sugar would probably do the job taken in that sort of quantity! It's a fun commentary all round, Colin Baker and Frazer Hines matching each other joke-for-joke and everyone sharing happy memories of what sounds like a very enjoyable production.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 13:09:14 GMT
True, true. But, are we sure that the Androgums don't eat their own kind? The fate of the less fortunate Grigs in their clan wars, perhaps? Yeah, wonky though some parts may be (mainly due to external pressure), there's a lot to recommend Trial. I think the problem for a very long time was that it was a lot of build-up for a pay-off that didn't really begin to arrive until ten(ish) years later. We got an intermission rather than a resolution. Fortunately, over the 30+ years since then, there's been a tonne of development for ol' Sixie. The Valeyard's one of my favourite adversaries for that reason. Pit him against the Doctor and they're each other's shadow. Yin and yang. Every unwanted thought made manifest in a mirror of flesh and bone. The vulturine Skeksis to his elder urRu, to use Dark Crystal terms. Both unwilling to admit that they are the same person from different angles. And what does the Sixth Doctor do? He straightens his coat and goes: "Alright, yes. You're me. But, you don't define me," stepping past and beginning to enjoy his life again. Of course Androgums would eat each other. But I think it might be more of an honor than a victim/ punishment role. The whole Grig will have a feast and devour the deceased chieftain to let not one gram of his body go to waste and be consumed by lesser creatures.
Man, you could so much with them. Exactly, the underlying idea of Trial of a Timelord is fine. As so often, it was the execution and the drama behind the scenes that dragged it down. And the Valeyard, by himself, was not a bad idea.
I am so much looking forward to seeing both Colin and Michael Jayston at the convention- I hope they have some stage time together. That would be iconic. I can just imagine it. The cordon bleu emerges from the kitchens, great edifices the size of most hotels, with an announcement of traitors pie and there's this rumbling of consternation. How dare they serve such a meal at these august tables. Why, it's not worthy of being considered an appetiser. They'll eat it, of course, out of respect to the host, but that's part of the subterfuge. Something to lull the palette into a false sense of security for the main event -- the crème of chieftan. A soured delicacy among the Androgums at table. Such a meal is considered historic in the private circles of the Grigs. Something to be told to one's grandchildren with pride and solemn dignity. Hardly the same could be said for the dinner table... Oh, hold on... *rummaging* Hold on... *further rummaging* Knew it had to be somewhere. An interview from the 90s with Colin, Michael and Jon Pertwee. Always fun to listen to.
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Post by melkur on Feb 11, 2020 14:05:27 GMT
Before heading off to work today, I've watched the first half of 'The Massacre' (depending on how up to it I feel, I might watch part 3 when I get back...).
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Post by timegirl on Feb 11, 2020 16:33:16 GMT
The Romans, it’s very very silly 😄
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 17:12:06 GMT
It Takes You Away. Still one of my favourite episodes of Who in recent years.
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Post by timegirl on Feb 11, 2020 17:13:41 GMT
It Takes You Away. Still one of my favourite episodes of Who in recent years. It is a brilliantly surreal and emotional episode!😀
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 19:39:34 GMT
The Power of the Daleks.
It's taken me this long to get round to seeing these animated episodes, and they are, of course, wonderful. Quite charming in fact. Some of the characters' movements are a little clunky, but the faces and their expressions are terrific, as are the backgrounds. There's even a sense of chill as the first Dalek enters the room to confront the new Doctor (how does the Dalek recognise him if he's only just regenerated? I never understood that), and as character are seen through the creature's lens. Huge congratulations should go to all involved, especially Graham Strong, whose name has appeared on all the soundtracks to these otherwise obsolete Doctor Who classics.
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 11, 2020 20:07:15 GMT
Of course Androgums would eat each other. But I think it might be more of an honor than a victim/ punishment role. The whole Grig will have a feast and devour the deceased chieftain to let not one gram of his body go to waste and be consumed by lesser creatures.
Man, you could so much with them. Exactly, the underlying idea of Trial of a Timelord is fine. As so often, it was the execution and the drama behind the scenes that dragged it down. And the Valeyard, by himself, was not a bad idea.
I am so much looking forward to seeing both Colin and Michael Jayston at the convention- I hope they have some stage time together. That would be iconic. I can just imagine it. The cordon bleu emerges from the kitchens, great edifices the size of most hotels, with an announcement of traitors pie and there's this rumbling of consternation. How dare they serve such a meal at these august tables. Why, it's not worthy of being considered an appetiser. They'll eat it, of course, out of respect to the host, but that's part of the subterfuge. Something to lull the palette into a false sense of security for the main event -- the crème of chieftan. A soured delicacy among the Androgums at table. Such a meal is considered historic in the private circles of the Grigs. Something to be told to one's grandchildren with pride and solemn dignity. Hardly the same could be said for the dinner table... Oh, hold on... *rummaging* Hold on... *further rummaging* Knew it had to be somewhere. An interview from the 90s with Colin, Michael and Jon Pertwee. Always fun to listen to. Oh that is fantastic!
And thanks for the clip, got to love these guys!
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Post by doctorkernow on Feb 11, 2020 21:46:28 GMT
Hello again. I discovered audio commentaries by accident! I was watching Earthshock and I wondered what audio commentary was on the menu. Starting the serial imagine my surprise to hear a rather jolly Mr Davison and his entertaining colleagues Janet Fielding and Sarah Sutton. It was hilarious. Not the rather serious respectful commentary I was expecting. On Mr C. Baker, great fan not a huge afficianado of his tv stories though last years rewatch did give a greater appreciation of his good stories, Vengeance, Mark of the Rani, Two Doctors and Revelation. Twin Dilemma and that scene in the TARDIS, still ranks as the biggest mistake made in a Doctor Who story. It completely alienated the casual viewer. It repulsed me and I nearly stopped my journey into Who appreciation. I did like Colin once he got to Jaconda. I did spot on my recent rewatch that Peri gets some great lines and the fractious nature of their initial relationship stems from this story. This was repeated by Steven Moffatt with 12's first season. Now again I feel, Deep Breath did alienate some casual viewers. However, I found Mr Capaldi and Clara worked well together and loved the journey the two go through during series 8 including Last Christmas. The novelisations of both The Twin Dilemma and The Two Doctors were really enjoyable reads. I was a avid collector of Target books. I found Mr Saward really enjoyed adding extra detail to the frankly risible plot. It made me chuckle. Robert Holmes again amplified his tv scripts into something really special.
EDIT Thank you for the interviews. Really interesting. How jolly entertaining that was, all three actors on fine form. Thanks again.
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Post by polly on Feb 12, 2020 21:41:40 GMT
The Power of the Daleks.
It's taken me this long to get round to seeing these animated episodes, and they are, of course, wonderful. Quite charming in fact. Some of the characters' movements are a little clunky, but the faces and their expressions are terrific, as are the backgrounds. There's even a sense of chill as the first Dalek enters the room to confront the new Doctor (how does the Dalek recognise him if he's only just regenerated? I never understood that), and as character are seen through the creature's lens. Huge congratulations should go to all involved, especially Graham Strong, whose name has appeared on all the soundtracks to these otherwise obsolete Doctor Who classics.
I figure the Daleks maybe met the Second Doctor out of order, or something. As for the animation, yeah, I think it excels with backgrounds and mechanical things like the Daleks themselves, but the character movement leaves something to be desired.
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Post by shutupbanks on Feb 12, 2020 22:07:22 GMT
The Power of the Daleks.
It's taken me this long to get round to seeing these animated episodes, and they are, of course, wonderful. Quite charming in fact. Some of the characters' movements are a little clunky, but the faces and their expressions are terrific, as are the backgrounds. There's even a sense of chill as the first Dalek enters the room to confront the new Doctor (how does the Dalek recognise him if he's only just regenerated? I never understood that), and as character are seen through the creature's lens. Huge congratulations should go to all involved, especially Graham Strong, whose name has appeared on all the soundtracks to these otherwise obsolete Doctor Who classics.
I figure the Daleks maybe met the Second Doctor out of order, or something. As for the animation, yeah, I think it excels with backgrounds and mechanical things like the Daleks themselves, but the character movement leaves something to be desired. Maybe the Daleks recognised him as a Time Lord or some other alien - someone who might have had experience of what the Daleks had done previously and reacted accordingly.
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Post by melkur on Feb 12, 2020 23:44:04 GMT
This afternoon I watched part 4 of 'The Massacre' and, after a bath, am currently winding down for the night over the first half of 'The Ark' (it's nice to have moving images again )...
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Post by number13 on Feb 13, 2020 1:17:20 GMT
I figure the Daleks maybe met the Second Doctor out of order, or something. As for the animation, yeah, I think it excels with backgrounds and mechanical things like the Daleks themselves, but the character movement leaves something to be desired. Maybe the Daleks recognised him as a Time Lord or some other alien - someone who might have had experience of what the Daleks had done previously and reacted accordingly. "Two heartbeats detected! It is the Doc-tor! Al-ert! Al-ert!" (Assume this detail was on the Dalek's internal transmitter which is why it isn't on the soundtrack. That, and Robert Holmes hadn't invented it yet... )
I guess that when they met the First Doctor during the invasion of Earth, the Doctor's unique (in their experience) biological details were uploaded to Dalek Command as routine intelligence gathering, probably while they were trying to Robotise him. And after what happened to their invasion force, they were unlikely to ever forget him, by any face!
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Post by Hieronymus on Feb 13, 2020 4:02:08 GMT
The Green Death. So many good guest characters. And maggots.
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Post by polly on Feb 13, 2020 22:02:02 GMT
The Face of Evil - Not my favorite story around, but Leela's one of my favourite companions, and the next two stories are incredible, so it's all worth it in the end.
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