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Post by doctorkernow on Feb 13, 2020 22:47:51 GMT
Hello again.
Leela rocks. Watching seasons 14 and 15 during the Twitch marathon last year I was really struck by how completely different Louise Jameson is as a companion. Unfortunately, some writers don't write her well. However, even with a weaker story, she works really well at creating a believable companion. Her bond with K9 and the way she shares with those around her knowledge as a hunter and fearless warrior are really special.
As a complete contrast to Lis Sladen's Sarah it was a brave choice. Without Louise Jameson taking it completely seriously, it wouldn't have worked. If I had a Bluray player I would certainly be preordering Season 14.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 23:59:57 GMT
Maybe the Daleks recognised him as a Time Lord or some other alien - someone who might have had experience of what the Daleks had done previously and reacted accordingly. "Two heartbeats detected! It is the Doc-tor! Al-ert! Al-ert!" (Assume this detail was on the Dalek's internal transmitter which is why it isn't on the soundtrack. That, and Robert Holmes hadn't invented it yet... )
I guess that when they met the First Doctor during the invasion of Earth, the Doctor's unique (in their experience) biological details were uploaded to Dalek Command as routine intelligence gathering, probably while they were trying to Robotise him. And after what happened to their invasion force, they were unlikely to ever forget him, by any face!
Going back a bit further (well, forward by us), the Daleks might also have knowledge of the Time Lords from their old Death Zone days and put two-and-two together. A binary vascular system... Lowered body temperature... Complex biochemistry... Aliens within Earth's distance aren't unheard of, but this one's biopattern is too specific to be anything else. The Saucer Commander would have something rather interesting to report back to his superiors. That report could also have been where they got the information to produce the duplicate of the Doctor for The Chase.
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Post by number13 on Feb 14, 2020 0:39:35 GMT
Hello again. Leela rocks. Watching seasons 14 and 15 during the Twitch marathon last year I was really struck by how completely different Louise Jameson is as a companion. Unfortunately, some writers don't write her well. However, even with a weaker story, she works really well at creating a believable companion. Her bond with K9 and the way she shares with those around her knowledge as a hunter and fearless warrior are really special. As a complete contrast to Lis Sladen's Sarah it was a brave choice. Without Louise Jameson taking it completely seriously, it wouldn't have worked. If I had a Bluray player I would certainly be preordering Season 14. Agree, Leela was a terrific Companion, very different and very believable. And so well performed. She was a daring creation even then but can you imagine if they added a knife-wielding warrior into the TARDIS crew today? Not to mention the Janis thorns...
(It might be worth taking a look at blu-ray players if you're interested in these collections for your favourite seasons, they really are beautifully produced. There are some simple players from top brands available for around the price of two of these blu-ray sets. Ours is an entry-level player of that type from about 6/7 years back and it works just fine.)
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Post by number13 on Feb 14, 2020 0:42:20 GMT
"Two heartbeats detected! It is the Doc-tor! Al-ert! Al-ert!" (Assume this detail was on the Dalek's internal transmitter which is why it isn't on the soundtrack. That, and Robert Holmes hadn't invented it yet... )
I guess that when they met the First Doctor during the invasion of Earth, the Doctor's unique (in their experience) biological details were uploaded to Dalek Command as routine intelligence gathering, probably while they were trying to Robotise him. And after what happened to their invasion force, they were unlikely to ever forget him, by any face!
Going back a bit further (well, forward by us), the Daleks might also have knowledge of the Time Lords from their old Death Zone days and put two-and-two together. A binary vascular system... Lowered body temperature... Complex biochemistry... Aliens within Earth's distance aren't unheard of, but this one's biopattern is too specific to be anything else. The Saucer Commander would have something rather interesting to report back to his superiors. That report could also have been where they got the information to produce the duplicate of the Doctor for The Chase. Good theory - if any of them lived to tell the tale... 'It's not for nothing it's called the Death Zone!'
EDIT: Thinking about it, some Daleks probably did survive and escape - the Fifth Doctor mentions that they and the Cybermen weren't used as players in the old days because 'they played too well.' So it must have been tried. Very bad idea to bring Daleks to Gallifrey, I wonder what other useful intel they picked up for future use...
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Post by shutupbanks on Feb 14, 2020 10:01:24 GMT
Hello again. Leela rocks. Watching seasons 14 and 15 during the Twitch marathon last year I was really struck by how completely different Louise Jameson is as a companion. Unfortunately, some writers don't write her well. However, even with a weaker story, she works really well at creating a believable companion. Her bond with K9 and the way she shares with those around her knowledge as a hunter and fearless warrior are really special. As a complete contrast to Lis Sladen's Sarah it was a brave choice. Without Louise Jameson taking it completely seriously, it wouldn't have worked. If I had a Bluray player I would certainly be preordering Season 14. Leela is probably my favourite companion in the entire history of the show. Such a contrasting character from everyone who had gone before her. Brave and fierce but willing to trust people because she knew her limitations.
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Post by mark687 on Feb 15, 2020 20:43:11 GMT
Wrapped up the rest of Season 18 Warriors Gate-Logopolis
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Showman Life of JNT
(A thoughtful mix of Tribute and Expose')
Regards
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Post by melkur on Feb 15, 2020 21:42:49 GMT
Last night I watched 'The Silurians' part 3 on its 50th.
'Just got home from work and am planning on unwinding over the first half of 'The Celestial Toymaker'... (Ok, maybe unwind is putting it strongly)
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Post by frisby78 on Feb 16, 2020 22:25:28 GMT
The Girl Who Died
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Post by timegirl on Feb 16, 2020 22:33:17 GMT
Some very good 12 and Clara moments and Viking action in that episode😊 I have never known what to make of Ashider/Me, her actress’s performance is good but her character is pretty unlikable and frustrating 🤔 what do think of that episode?
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Post by frisby78 on Feb 16, 2020 23:19:34 GMT
Some very good 12 and Clara moments and Viking action in that episode😊 I have never known what to make of Ashider/Me, her actress’s performance is good but her character is pretty unlikable and frustrating 🤔 what do think of that episode? It's a good fun episode. Ashider is very likeable in this story but the complete opposite the follow up. Woman Who Lived is hood again but Me really grates.
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 17, 2020 8:49:25 GMT
Some very good 12 and Clara moments and Viking action in that episode😊 I have never known what to make of Ashider/Me, her actress’s performance is good but her character is pretty unlikable and frustrating 🤔 what do think of that episode? It's a good fun episode. Ashider is very likeable in this story but the complete opposite the follow up. Woman Who Lived is hood again but Me really grates. I think that is the intention... by saving her, the Doctor submits her to hell and destroys her character utterly. Yes, it is hard to watch but it is a very strong allegory. The path to hell really is plastered with good intentions. It also ties in beautifully with the Doctor saving Davros at the beginning of the series. That did not work out too well, either. But this is the Doctor- is he a good man?
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 17, 2020 9:37:59 GMT
It's a good fun episode. Ashider is very likeable in this story but the complete opposite the follow up. Woman Who Lived is hood again but Me really grates. I think that is the intention... by saving her, the Doctor submits her to hell and destroys her character utterly. Yes, it is hard to watch but it is a very strong allegory. The path to hell really is plastered with good intentions. It also ties in beautifully with the Doctor saving Davros at the beginning of the series. That did not work out too well, either. But this is the Doctor- is he a good man?
Honestly, this is the first time I've realised that Series 9 has a theme of "saving people/doing 'the right thing' and things get worse afterwards". As you say, trying to help Davros in The Magician's Apprentice/The Witch's Familiar, saving Clara in Under the Lake/Before the Flood by testing his hypothesis with the death of O'Donnell, Ashidr in The Girl Who Died and the fallout in The Woman Who Lived, giving the Zygons, what, 15 chances to make peace with the humans in the Zygon two-parter, saving Clara again in Hell Bent. He was trying to do 'the right thing' (from his perspective, especially given the duty of care stuff) and things just kept going wrong. (Maybe this theme was obvious, but I don't really enjoy Series 9 much so have never bothered to analyse it. There's actually a bit of stuff going on though, isn't there?)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 10:08:06 GMT
I think that is the intention... by saving her, the Doctor submits her to hell and destroys her character utterly. Yes, it is hard to watch but it is a very strong allegory. The path to hell really is plastered with good intentions. It also ties in beautifully with the Doctor saving Davros at the beginning of the series. That did not work out too well, either. But this is the Doctor- is he a good man?
Honestly, this is the first time I've realised that Series 9 has a theme of "saving people/doing 'the right thing' and things get worse afterwards". As you say, trying to help Davros in The Magician's Apprentice/The Witch's Familiar, saving Clara in Under the Lake/Before the Flood by testing his hypothesis with the death of O'Donnell, Ashidr in The Girl Who Died and the fallout in The Woman Who Lived, giving the Zygons, what, 15 chances to make peace with the humans in the Zygon two-parter, saving Clara again in Hell Bent. He was trying to do 'the right thing' (from his perspective, especially given the duty of care stuff) and things just kept going wrong. (Maybe this theme was obvious, but I don't really enjoy Series 9 much so have never bothered to analyse it. There's actually a bit of stuff going on though, isn't there?) The Hybrid arc's more than a bit muddled, but the essence of it is we've essentially got a Doctor/companion team who are inherently bad for one another. Something deliberately orchestrated by Missy, that's why she keeps throwing them together. Over the phone, through the newspaper and directly in a London café. Clara isn't actually with the Doctor at the beginning of the season, but Missy deliberately brings her back into travelling with Twelve with her shenanigans on Earth. It's another one of the Master's plans, only this time, she barely has to raise a finger to carry it out. As much as I have problems with Hell Bent as an episode, it does have a nice bookend to The Witch's Familiar. At the beginning of the season, Missy tries to tempt the Doctor into shooting and killing a Dalek. He can't because he'd be murdering his own team. However, by the end, he does shoot and kill someone--a member of his own people. There's a very prominent downward spiral in the Doctor's integrity. I think Missy got everything she wanted, but she wasn't anticipating that he'd start afresh from scratch. Nor that he'd hold onto his principles and try to rehabilitate her.
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Post by barnabaslives on Feb 17, 2020 10:10:43 GMT
Watched The Haunting of Villa Diodati - another strong, superb episode from this season - and have been watching the first part of Series 4, Partners in Crime through The Sontaran Stratagem. Still don't care much for the Adipose, but it's a great run of episodes and really enjoying the stories and guest cast. Next up The Poison Sky.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 10:33:26 GMT
Watched The Haunting of Villa Diodati - another strong, superb episode from this season - and have been watching the first part of Series 4, Partners in Crime through The Sontaran Stratagem. Still don't care much for the Adipose, but it's a great run of episodes and really enjoying the stories and guest cast. Next up The Poison Sky. I'm seriously tempted to put The Haunting of Villa Diodati in the to-be-watched pile and wait to watch the finale in bulk. What do you reckon, should I?
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Post by doctorkernow on Feb 17, 2020 11:48:30 GMT
Hello again.
It is definitely a present worth waiting for. It is a great standalone episode. On the other hand, if you wait until all three have aired, and then watch them one after the other you end up with a Doctor Who version of Avengers:Endgame! Hopefully, the finale will be as good as the previous Cyberfinale, World Enough/ Doctor Falls. Whatever you decide, avoid spoilers at all costs...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 11:53:58 GMT
Hello again. It is definitely a present worth waiting for. It is a great standalone episode. On the other hand, if you wait until all three have aired, and then watch them one after the other you end up with a Doctor Who version of Avengers:Endgame! Hopefully, the finale will be as good as the previous Cyberfinale, World Enough/ Doctor Falls. Whatever you decide, avoid spoilers at all costs... That's not a bad way of looking at it. Endgame it is. I'm kind of hoping that I can do something a bit like Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords, treat it as a Seeds of Doom-style serial in disguise. It's been such a great season this year. Well worth the wait.
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Post by number13 on Feb 17, 2020 13:43:02 GMT
Watched The Haunting of Villa Diodati - another strong, superb episode from this season - and have been watching the first part of Series 4, Partners in Crime through The Sontaran Stratagem. Still don't care much for the Adipose, but it's a great run of episodes and really enjoying the stories and guest cast. Next up The Poison Sky. I'm seriously tempted to put The Haunting of Villa Diodati in the to-be-watched pile and wait to watch the finale in bulk. What do you reckon, should I? No, watch it now! You deserve the tension and nail-biting of having to wait to see What Happens Next just like everyone else.
And imo it deserves to be seen and enjoyed in its own right as well as part of the arc. I like 'bingeing' sets sometimes now we can, but having to wait for next weekend is the real Who. And of course you can join in the chat week by week and that's fun too.
Whichever way you go, one tip - watch it in the dark...
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 17, 2020 18:56:48 GMT
Okay, some dish-washing now and then I have a date with Mary Shelley.
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 17, 2020 18:57:17 GMT
Watched The Haunting of Villa Diodati - another strong, superb episode from this season - and have been watching the first part of Series 4, Partners in Crime through The Sontaran Stratagem. Still don't care much for the Adipose, but it's a great run of episodes and really enjoying the stories and guest cast. Next up The Poison Sky. I'm seriously tempted to put The Haunting of Villa Diodati in the to-be-watched pile and wait to watch the finale in bulk. What do you reckon, should I? Depends on your patience. I for example have none.
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