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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 1:10:38 GMT
It's possible that the idea might have crossed Russell T. Davies's mind back in the initial years of the revival, even if perhaps for only a moment. The Greater Animus gets a mention in the Ninth Doctor's annual as a casualty of the Last Great Time War. It's implied there that what the Doctor, Ian, Barbara and Vicki faced here was an aspect of much larger entity. Something that existed perhaps on other worlds beyond Vortis. It's a great example of teamwork that final confrontation in the Carcinome. The Doctor protects Vicki against the Animus for as long as he can, Vicki holds out herself for as long as she can, buying time for Barbara to lead the attack force against the Carcinome and Ian to provide the critical moment of distraction that allows Barbara to kill the Animus. [...] I really like it. The Doctor with Vicki gets co-opted into being an unwilling codebreaker by essentially bluffing more than he knows. Ian's quest for Barbara takes him beneath the surface of Vortis to the descendants of the original Menoptera. Barbara breaks out of a labour camp and assumes control of a shattered battalion of soldiers. It's all happening. Could be shrunk by an hour, perhaps, and turned into a four-parter but the story itself is rather good. It's an example of the show's early attempts to experiment with its format by doing something that shouldn't be possible on its television budget (and yet...). Vortis is a planet I'd like to tackle myself one day, once I've completely sussed out how to bring the "alienness" behind the setting wholly to life. Still working on that... Do you think there are other kind of insect people on Vortis? I imagine there being ladybug, earthworm, grasshopper peopleš¤ I also have this idea where for some reason maybe some weird ritual or maybe they accidentally drink some weird potion or something, the Doctor and their companion start to turn into insect people themselves but then it doesnāt where off right away when they leave Vortis so they have to try to go about their lives as normal as possible with bug like features until it wears off sort of like a variation on Metamorphosis. I keep picturing it with 12 turning into a literal grey haired stick insect (which of course Clara would tease him about) heād still play the guitar somehow though and Clara ends up with butterfly wings and suddenly starts craving nectar and then has to hide that sheās now part butterfly from her studentsš *nods* Could easily be. The ecology of Vortis, as it turns up in other stories, looks quite diverse and the Animus wasn't the only entity that demonstrated an interest in the world. There were many others. Other creatures that escaped the universe before ours, most distinctively. In addition to that, the planet itself is a rogue, drifting through other star systems in a manner not too dissimilar to a comet or meteorite. Potentially collecting whatever decides to land on Vortis in the interim. There's something about the planet that attracts unusual visitors.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 7, 2020 1:38:32 GMT
Do you think there are other kind of insect people on Vortis? I imagine there being ladybug, earthworm, grasshopper peopleš¤ I also have this idea where for some reason maybe some weird ritual or maybe they accidentally drink some weird potion or something, the Doctor and their companion start to turn into insect people themselves but then it doesnāt where off right away when they leave Vortis so they have to try to go about their lives as normal as possible with bug like features until it wears off sort of like a variation on Metamorphosis. I keep picturing it with 12 turning into a literal grey haired stick insect (which of course Clara would tease him about) heād still play the guitar somehow though and Clara ends up with butterfly wings and suddenly starts craving nectar and then has to hide that sheās now part butterfly from her studentsš *nods* Could easily be. The ecology of Vortis, as it turns up in other stories, looks quite diverse and the Animus wasn't the only entity that demonstrated an interest in the world. There were many others. Other creatures that escaped the universe before ours, most distinctively. In addition to that, the planet itself is a rogue, drifting through other star systems in a manner not too dissimilar to a comet or meteorite. Potentially collecting whatever decides to land on Vortis in the interim. There's something about the planet that attracts unusual visitors. What other things live on Vortis?š¤
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 4:36:37 GMT
*nods* Could easily be. The ecology of Vortis, as it turns up in other stories, looks quite diverse and the Animus wasn't the only entity that demonstrated an interest in the world. There were many others. Other creatures that escaped the universe before ours, most distinctively. In addition to that, the planet itself is a rogue, drifting through other star systems in a manner not too dissimilar to a comet or meteorite. Potentially collecting whatever decides to land on Vortis in the interim. There's something about the planet that attracts unusual visitors. What other things live on Vortis?š¤ Quite a lot of the expected and unexpected animal/plant life in the flower forests, from memory. Some blooms are quite ordinary, but there are others that are translucent, grown from living metal and some which have a complex biolumiscence that makes them look like paper lanterns. The Menoptera are capable of ingesting certain acids (varying on their pH level), so theoretically, there could be flora that metabolises that instead of nectar. There was a crystalline being that existed on Vortis when the Fourth Doctor and Sarah visited, which had been dormant due to the energy sapping power of the Animus. With the Carcinome gone, the planet resettled, it became active and drew Menoptera into its cocoon of light like a bug zapper. Zarbi stampedes, according to Return to the Web Planet, are a serious concern. To be caught in their wake would be rather like trying to control a herd of rampaging buffalo (with all the wonts and drives of your Earth-like ant). And much more besides, I'll wager. I like to think Vortis is one of those worlds like Peladon that the Doctor tries to revisit at least once an incarnation to see how things are getting on.
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Post by melkur on Sept 7, 2020 22:58:11 GMT
This evening I've made a start on series 26, with 'Battlefield' part 1... Co-incidentally, the day after it's 31st anniversary. WHAT THE FU -?!
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Post by grinch on Sept 8, 2020 11:27:08 GMT
The Edge of Destruction (David Whitaker)
An interesting experiment with what would presumably be known as a bottle episode nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 12:06:17 GMT
The Edge of Destruction (David Whitaker) An interesting experiment with what would presumably be known as a bottle episode nowadays. What a wonderful premise too. A locked room murder mystery where the victim is the room itself. Edge of Destruction tends to be the story I cite for where the characterisation of the Doctor, our Doctor, hits that point of no return. Ian opens up the possibility of change in An Unearthly Child, the Daleks propel it along and show there is really is a moral figure there ("This senseless, evil killing..." as he says), but it's Barbara that makes it concrete and ensures he can't fall back into old habits: In fact, I think I can pin down the exact conversation which seals it: Rewatch bonus: "Very valuable," was also how the Doctor described the TARDIS earlier in the story. An empathy that will slowly grow until The Dalek Invasion of Earth where he decides, completely of his own volition, to fight for the Earth. And to think, it was originally developed to fill the initial 13-episode commission. I've a great fondness for this period. It has its ups and downs, but the character work is often-- *chef's kiss*. This growing family of travellers from the initial adversity and fear, Alydon's decision whether it's nobler to fight or to die without fighting on Skaro, the tensions with the Aztecs... There's something very magical about these beginnings.
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Post by number13 on Sept 8, 2020 12:14:32 GMT
The Edge of Destruction (David Whitaker) An interesting experiment with what would presumably be known as a bottle episode nowadays. What a wonderful premise too. A locked room murder mystery where the victim is the room itself. The Goons did a Christie-esque body-in-the-library story where the library went on the run with the body still inside it, and hid in a Paris hotel. I don't think we ever found out whether the library was guilty or not, but it certainly acted suspiciously!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 19:04:44 GMT
The Mysterious Planet from Trial of a Time Lord.
I'd forgotten what a lot was packed into the first episode of this. Doctor is hijacked by Time Lords, Peri's missing, he's on trial. We travel to Ravalox, which bears an uncanny resemblance to Earth; the Doctor is immediately targeted by two threatening men, Peri is taken by some primitives. She and the two men are held prisoner by a tribe led by Joan Sim, and the Doctor meets underground dwellers who appear to stone him to death. Meanwhile, in the trial room, the Valeyard wishes to put the Doctor to death for his crimes. All that in 25 minutes! Also, and this might be a peculiar thing to notice, but I like the way we get a sense of time passing by the changes in weather - the first time we meet The Doctor and Peri, there is a heavy autumnal mist (the greyness of which highlights Colin's coat of many colours beautifully); this then becomes a very raw morning sunshine before a very blustery day sets in. I noticed this the first time I saw this, and notice it again now.
The rest of the story then slows quite considerably and becomes a lot less spectacular than it should - after the much maligned 18 month haitus, it needed a 'bigger' opening tale than this, I think. And yet, this solid, quieter story was always my favourite from the series. At the centre of it all, a robot in need of re-programming it didn't want is a pleasing challenge for The Doctor.
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Post by polly on Sept 8, 2020 19:05:02 GMT
What a wonderful premise too. A locked room murder mystery where the victim is the room itself. Edge of Destruction tends to be the story I cite for where the characterisation of the Doctor, our Doctor, hits that point of no return. Ian opens up the possibility of change in An Unearthly Child, the Daleks propel it along and show there is really is a moral figure there ("This senseless, evil killing..." as he says), but it's Barbara that makes it concrete and ensures he can't fall back into old habits: In fact, I think I can pin down the exact conversation which seals it: Rewatch bonus: "Very valuable," was also how the Doctor described the TARDIS earlier in the story. An empathy that will slowly grow until The Dalek Invasion of Earth where he decides, completely of his own volition, to fight for the Earth. And to think, it was originally developed to fill the initial 13-episode commission. I've a great fondness for this period. It has its ups and downs, but the character work is often-- *chef's kiss*. This growing family of travellers from the initial adversity and fear, Alydon's decision whether it's nobler to fight or to die without fighting on Skaro, the tensions with the Aztecs... There's something very magical about these beginnings. Very well said. There's something beautiful about the first two seasons that has never been replicated. Edge of Destruction is a pivotal moment in the Doctor becoming who he is today, capped off with that magical speech about the formation of stars.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 0:46:41 GMT
What a wonderful premise too. A locked room murder mystery where the victim is the room itself. Edge of Destruction tends to be the story I cite for where the characterisation of the Doctor, our Doctor, hits that point of no return. Ian opens up the possibility of change in An Unearthly Child, the Daleks propel it along and show there is really is a moral figure there ("This senseless, evil killing..." as he says), but it's Barbara that makes it concrete and ensures he can't fall back into old habits: In fact, I think I can pin down the exact conversation which seals it: Rewatch bonus: "Very valuable," was also how the Doctor described the TARDIS earlier in the story. An empathy that will slowly grow until The Dalek Invasion of Earth where he decides, completely of his own volition, to fight for the Earth. And to think, it was originally developed to fill the initial 13-episode commission. I've a great fondness for this period. It has its ups and downs, but the character work is often-- *chef's kiss*. This growing family of travellers from the initial adversity and fear, Alydon's decision whether it's nobler to fight or to die without fighting on Skaro, the tensions with the Aztecs... There's something very magical about these beginnings. Very well said. There's something beautiful about the first two seasons that has never been replicated. Edge of Destruction is a pivotal moment in the Doctor becoming who he is today, capped off with that magical speech about the formation of stars. Thanks. I love what that speech says about the Doctor's character too. They're in the dark. There's only the light of the central column left. They are on the very brink of death, possibly moments from extinction, and yet, the Doctor is overwhelmed by the sheer thrill of being there at the beginning of a solar system. Biting his fingers with excitement. Astonished. Nothing can shake that wonderment of the universe from him. (As the story goes, Hartnell was quite nervous about the whole soliloquy. And yet, it might've been what got me interested in cosmology and the planetary sciences, now that I think about it...) If there is ever a moral lesson attached to the First Doctor, it's got to be -- enjoy the little things. Have a giggle when something trivial goes right. Celebrate the little successes and triumphs as much as the big ones.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 19:20:30 GMT
Doomsday.
Good grief. For all the brilliance of the stomping Cybermen, flying Daleks and all that parallel world business, it's that scene that gets me every time. You know the one. One the beach, with Rose and The Doctor. Tears. And more tears. I've seen it a few times over the years and here I am, a gibbering, nonsensical wreck. So what's new, you ask? Well, this time, I seem to have got something in my eye. Doctor Who at its most heart-breaking.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 10, 2020 19:35:08 GMT
Doomsday.
Good grief. For all the brilliance of the stomping Cybermen, flying Daleks and all that parallel world business, it's that scene that gets me every time. You know the one. One the beach, with Rose and The Doctor. Tears. And more tears. I've seen it a few times over the years and here I am, a gibbering, nonsensical wreck. So what's new, you ask? Well, this time, I seem to have got something in my eye. Doctor Who at its most heart-breaking.
OMG! Outside of my favorite era (you know the one) this scene reduces me to a puddle the most š¢ I love 9/10 and Rose together, they are my second favorite DW couple after 12 and Clara!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 19:56:21 GMT
Doomsday.
Good grief. For all the brilliance of the stomping Cybermen, flying Daleks and all that parallel world business, it's that scene that gets me every time. You know the one. One the beach, with Rose and The Doctor. Tears. And more tears. I've seen it a few times over the years and here I am, a gibbering, nonsensical wreck. So what's new, you ask? Well, this time, I seem to have got something in my eye. Doctor Who at its most heart-breaking.
OMG! Outside of my favorite era (you know the one) this scene reduces me to a puddle the most š¢ I love 9/10 and Rose together, they are my second favorite DW couple after 12 and Clara! Much as I've enjoyed subsequent companions (12 and Bill are my favourites), no-one has quite managed to capture what 10 and Rose had together. I don't mean the 'love interest', but the chemistry and cheekiness they had together which never got above itself.
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Post by grinch on Sept 11, 2020 14:30:46 GMT
42 (Chris Chibnall)
Out of every script he has done for Doctor Who and itās related properties, I still think this is his strongest.
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Post by number13 on Sept 13, 2020 11:52:15 GMT
After our masked ball on the other thread held in honour of Black Orchid, it was time for a return to Cranleigh. (The new blu-ray really does look 'topping' doesn't it? ) Also enjoyed the delightfully warm-hearted 'making of' doc again, this series of new docs are a major highlight of the S19 set.
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Post by sherlock on Sept 13, 2020 19:09:29 GMT
The Five Doctors
Pure comfort food Classic Who.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 14, 2020 16:10:41 GMT
Fury from the Deep
(Finally my favorite Missing Story in a complete visual form. I really think it is an ideal intro story for someone, It's got everything, base under siege, possession, obsession, The Doctor using arcane and scientific knowledge, paradoxical also one of the best executed companion departure stories, not to mention someone's nightmare version of a foam party.)
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Post by melkur on Sept 14, 2020 19:08:38 GMT
After camp last night, I had 'Ghostlight' playing in the background whilst I was doing other things. Today I've been working my way through 'Fury From The Deep' (of course), which I got from work for Ā£1 At the minute I'm watching part 5 and, whilst I will admit that it's probably not quite my favourite looking animation so far, I am certainly enjoying it!
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Post by sherlock on Sept 14, 2020 20:31:16 GMT
The Pirate Planet
Itās been years since I watched this one.
Douglas Adams firing on all cylinders. The dialogue is entertaining, the ideas are bold and I donāt think many writers could handle the tonal shift from the Doctor condemning unfathomable genocide to a robot dog fighting a robot parrot to a decrepit monarch clinging to life to execution by walking the plank. Speaking of said condemnation, boy is that scene overlooked. The venom Tom Baker spits is quite something, thereās real power behind his words. āAppreciate it?!ā is surely up there with āIndomitable!ā.
Honestly the only thing that lets this story down is the somewhat abrupt ending, where the villains die within seconds of each other and Doctor spouts a load of technobabble to sort out the shrunken planets.
I should rewatch this more often.
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Thereās a horror movie called Alien? Thatās really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Sept 14, 2020 22:34:35 GMT
The Pirate PlanetItās been years since I watched this one. Douglas Adams firing on all cylinders. The dialogue is entertaining, the ideas are bold and I donāt think many writers could handle the tonal shift from the Doctor condemning unfathomable genocide to a robot dog fighting a robot parrot to a decrepit monarch clinging to life to execution by walking the plank. Speaking of said condemnation, boy is that scene overlooked. The venom Tom Baker spits is quite something, thereās real power behind his words. āAppreciate it?!ā is surely up there with āIndomitable!ā. Honestly the only thing that lets this story down is the somewhat abrupt ending, where the villains die within seconds of each other and Doctor spouts a load of technobabble to sort out the shrunken planets. I should rewatch this more often. I would die on the hill of ā The Pirate Planet is the best thing that Douglas Adams wrote in his lifetime.ā
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