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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 1:07:53 GMT
Scream of the ShalkaFirst time since around about 2005 that I've watched this. It doesn't quite work, but I feel like there was a fair amount of potential there. And it feels more than a little bit like RTD lifted some ideas from it when sketching out The Christmas Invasion and The Runaway Bride. We're seeing it's real legacy now and oddly, it's not in modern Who... The budget was there for another story, but Shalka was poorly received so BBC Worldwide decided to get Cosgrove Hall to animate the missing eps of The Invasion with the cash instead, giving us the first missing story completed with animation. A range that 15 years on (and after some MAJOR bumps) has truly hit it's stride at last.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 1:13:51 GMT
Power and Evil of the Daleks (Who at both its confident and inventive best) Regards mark687 David Whittaker stands as the best Dalek writer in my book. Those two Masterworks use them in totally different but equally chilling ways. I hope you took my advice and watched the black and white version and in the dark? Because a 55 year old tea-time show, animated actually scared me. Those wonderfully drawn Daleks creeping about the country estate? They were legit scary. And Troughton in S4 had a danger about him that he never had again (and REALLY lost when he did his returns in the Three, Five and Two Doctors). In Power, he's erratic and so unpredictable it's unnerving. Even more so in The Highlanders. He toned it down for S5 (and I love him there and everywhere) but I like the danger of his early eps. Bit like Capaldi was never so alien as S8, or Pertwee more authorative than S7.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 2:03:04 GMT
Power and Evil of the Daleks (Who at both its confident and inventive best) Regards mark687 David Whittaker stands as the best Dalek writer in my book. Those two Masterworks use them in totally different but equally chilling ways. I hope you took my advice and watched the black and white version and in the dark? Because a 55 year old tea-time show, animated actually scared me. Those wonderfully drawn Daleks creeping about the country estate? They were legit scary. And Troughton in S4 had a danger about him that he never had again (and REALLY lost when he did his returns in the Three, Five and Two Doctors). In Power, he's erratic and so unpredictable it's unnerving. Even more so in The Highlanders. He toned it down for S5 (and I love him there and everywhere) but I like the danger of his early eps. Bit like Capaldi was never so alien as S8, or Pertwee more authorative than S7. David Whitaker's legacy is kind of incredible when looking back on it all. He's a key player in establishing the groundwork for two incarnations when the show had never tried it before. He was often co-authoring content with Terry Nation developing the Daleks for those first few annuals, comics, even one of the Cushing films. And his novelisations of both The Daleks and The Crusade ended up kickstarting the Target Books novelisations as reprints. I've not yet had the chance to watch the animated version, but Power and Evil's depiction of the Daleks is distinctive for me because they emphasise their cunning and their capacity to reason. You get a sense of the mind within the casing, working and turning things over. When Maxtible goes off at one of the Daleks on Skaro about his house -- "What right have you got--?" -- it just keeps repeating the word: "Right?" back at him. First in what sounds like outrage, then almost like incredulity. Like it never considered the question to be particularly relevant. It's a nice touch, re-emphasising the difference between the humans and the Daleks. There's a solid exploration of empathy -- human empathy, in particular -- in there.
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 10, 2021 4:27:56 GMT
Not sure how to find the episode titles on IMDBTV, but right now I'm watching some 4th Doctor stories and having a lot of fun trying to guess what the props and sets are constructed out of. Some very clever use of ceramic floor tiles! No idea where all of this foam tubing came from, though....
Also, is Elisabeth Salden really short, or is Tom Baker just really tall? Sometimes he looks twice her height....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 10:10:45 GMT
Not sure how to find the episode titles on IMDBTV, but right now I'm watching some 4th Doctor stories and having a lot of fun trying to guess what the props and sets are constructed out of. Some very clever use of ceramic floor tiles! No idea where all of this foam tubing came from, though.... Also, is Elisabeth Salden really short, or is Tom Baker just really tall? Sometimes he looks twice her height.... One of the serials, Planet of Evil, ended up having its sets extensively photographed to show as an exemplar when teaching set design at the BBC. It's a striking use of an interior studio space: Tom Baker's really tall. Almost two metres at 191cm (or 6"3). One of my strongest memories of that is a scene from The Deadly Assassin where he stands up and just seems to loom over one of the other characters. Interesting bit of trivia: There's a list, I've discovered, of actors going from tallest to shortest and about half of the Doctor's incarnations have been six-foot something.
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 11, 2021 0:41:12 GMT
"I never take a life--unless there is a reasonable risk to my own." Context: someone wants to take a gun, and the Doctor doesn't like guns! That's right, I'm watching some random New Who episode after big stupid Moffat retconned the Doctor into being a pacifist The Dalek Invasion of Earth (1964)! Something interesting/funny I've noted: the Daleks here are filmed as though the ball at the end of the eyestalk was their head! It kinda flips how I perceive Daleks and makes the, seem like very silly metal cartoon giraffes. Not sure how to find the episode titles on IMDBTV, but right now I'm watching some 4th Doctor stories and having a lot of fun trying to guess what the props and sets are constructed out of. Some very clever use of ceramic floor tiles! No idea where all of this foam tubing came from, though.... Also, is Elisabeth Salden really short, or is Tom Baker just really tall? Sometimes he looks twice her height.... One of the serials, Planet of Evil, ended up having its sets extensively photographed to show as an exemplar when teaching set design at the BBC. It's a striking use of an interior studio space: Tom Baker's really tall. Almost two metres at 191cm (or 6"3). One of my strongest memories of that is a scene from The Deadly Assassin where he stands up and just seems to loom over one of the other characters. Interesting bit of trivia: There's a list, I've discovered, of actors going from tallest to shortest and about half of the Doctor's incarnations have been six-foot something. Hah! That's awesome! I actually first saw Tom Baker as Puddleglum, where he appeared GIGANTIC -- but he was also wearing a tall conical hat and playing opposite a pair of literal children.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 1:50:30 GMT
"I never take a life--unless there is a reasonable risk to my own." Context: someone wants to take a gun, and the Doctor doesn't like guns! That's right, I'm watching some random New Who episode after big stupid Moffat retconned the Doctor into being a pacifist The Dalek Invasion of Earth (1964)! Something interesting/funny I've noted: the Daleks here are filmed as though the ball at the end of the eyestalk was their head! It kinda flips how I perceive Daleks and makes the, seem like very silly metal cartoon giraffes. One of the serials, Planet of Evil, ended up having its sets extensively photographed to show as an exemplar when teaching set design at the BBC. It's a striking use of an interior studio space: Tom Baker's really tall. Almost two metres at 191cm (or 6"3). One of my strongest memories of that is a scene from The Deadly Assassin where he stands up and just seems to loom over one of the other characters. Interesting bit of trivia: There's a list, I've discovered, of actors going from tallest to shortest and about half of the Doctor's incarnations have been six-foot something. Hah! That's awesome! I actually first saw Tom Baker as Puddleglum, where he appeared GIGANTIC -- but he was also wearing a tall conical hat and playing opposite a pair of literal children. Same! I'm not certain, but I think some of my earliest memories of him come from The Silver Chair. He's had a habit of turning up in these roles over the years. The sage-like outcast. Puddleglum, the Bendu from Rebels, and I think Death in one of the MediEvil adaptations. A character who plays a significant part in the proceedings, but comes from an aspect of the world thoroughly alien to the majority of the setting.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 11, 2021 1:57:34 GMT
"I never take a life--unless there is a reasonable risk to my own." Context: someone wants to take a gun, and the Doctor doesn't like guns! That's right, I'm watching some random New Who episode after big stupid Moffat retconned the Doctor into being a pacifist The Dalek Invasion of Earth (1964)! Something interesting/funny I've noted: the Daleks here are filmed as though the ball at the end of the eyestalk was their head! It kinda flips how I perceive Daleks and makes the, seem like very silly metal cartoon giraffes. One of the serials, Planet of Evil, ended up having its sets extensively photographed to show as an exemplar when teaching set design at the BBC. It's a striking use of an interior studio space: Tom Baker's really tall. Almost two metres at 191cm (or 6"3). One of my strongest memories of that is a scene from The Deadly Assassin where he stands up and just seems to loom over one of the other characters. Interesting bit of trivia: There's a list, I've discovered, of actors going from tallest to shortest and about half of the Doctor's incarnations have been six-foot something. Hah! That's awesome! I actually first saw Tom Baker as Puddleglum, where he appeared GIGANTIC -- but he was also wearing a tall conical hat and playing opposite a pair of literal children. Same here Puddleglum was the first time I ever saw Tom in anything! In fact I named two pet frogs I had at time I named, Puddle and Glum😊
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 11, 2021 2:40:23 GMT
Heck yeah!
I absolutely adored that "movie"(?) as a kid. The Silver Chair and Voyage of the Dawn Treader were my favorites (<3 Reepacheep). The weird time dilation made them so surreal to me... then years later I learn Tom Baker is apparently Very Famous as the Doctor Who, but every time I see him... it's Puddleglum!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 9:56:42 GMT
The Visitation.
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Post by Kestrel on Oct 12, 2021 20:29:23 GMT
Today is Planet of the Daleks. Not a terribly engaging story, I think. But I am in love with the giant fur coats. Many of the scenes are shot so you can't see the actors limbs or extremities, so you basically just got these enormous blobs of (conspicuously clean and soft-looking) hair rumbling through the jungle.
Foam tubing remains a thing on many of the costumes and I am consumed by curiosity. Maybe an industrial packing material or something like that?
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 13, 2021 7:13:00 GMT
Not sure what this is supposed to be, but there is a TALKING CACTUS. Now I have seen everything. What exactly have the authors been smoking, or did they grow some peyote cacti for inspiration? I wonder.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 13, 2021 7:22:07 GMT
Finished Series 8, and I quite enjoyed. Aside from the Doctor’s ridiculous over hostility to Danny in The Caretaker and In the Forest being really not good, I quite enjoyed it. Though I still can’t decide what I think of Kill the Moon.
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Oct 13, 2021 10:09:53 GMT
Finished Series 8, and I quite enjoyed. Aside from the Doctor’s ridiculous over hostility to Danny in The Caretaker and In the Forest being really not good, I quite enjoyed it. Though I still can’t decide what I think of Kill the Moon. Kill The Moon is a ridiculous story but it’s totally worth it for the scene where, in a story that the author claims not to be allegorical or symbolic, a young woman asks the world for advice on her problem and then does what she thinks is right instead.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 13, 2021 12:01:31 GMT
Finished Series 8, and I quite enjoyed. Aside from the Doctor’s ridiculous over hostility to Danny in The Caretaker and In the Forest being really not good, I quite enjoyed it. Though I still can’t decide what I think of Kill the Moon. I don’t think he was overly hostile, it made perfect sense for 12 to be upset. He felt like Danny was his replacement/ rival for Clara’s affections. It might not have been exactly the right way for him to go about it but it was a natural reaction to have under the circumstances. People don’t always think rationally or do exactly the right thing when it comes to matters of the heart especially if they feel hurt emotionally. I think it would have been less believable and made less sense if 12 did get along with Danny in “The Caretaker “.
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Post by barnabaslives on Oct 13, 2021 13:02:38 GMT
Finished Series 8, and I quite enjoyed. Aside from the Doctor’s ridiculous over hostility to Danny in The Caretaker and In the Forest being really not good, I quite enjoyed it. Though I still can’t decide what I think of Kill the Moon. I don’t think he was overly hostile, it made perfect sense for 12 to be upset. He felt like Danny was his replacement/ rival for Clara’s affections. It might not have been exactly the right way for him to go about it but it was a natural reaction to have under the circumstances. People don’t always think rationally or do exactly the right thing when it comes to matters of the heart especially if they feel hurt emotionally. I think it would have been less believable and made less sense if 12 did get along with Danny in “The Caretaker “. Yes, and I really think that is genuinely one of MANY cues we were given that there IS something very special between Twelve and Clara. Enough cues to make entire montages out of.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 13, 2021 14:20:04 GMT
I don’t think he was overly hostile, it made perfect sense for 12 to be upset. He felt like Danny was his replacement/ rival for Clara’s affections. It might not have been exactly the right way for him to go about it but it was a natural reaction to have under the circumstances. People don’t always think rationally or do exactly the right thing when it comes to matters of the heart especially if they feel hurt emotionally. I think it would have been less believable and made less sense if 12 did get along with Danny in “The Caretaker “. Yes, and I really think that is genuinely one of MANY cues we were given that there IS something very special between Twelve and Clara. Enough cues to make entire montages out of. Exactly 😉
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 13, 2021 14:31:42 GMT
Finished Series 8, and I quite enjoyed. Aside from the Doctor’s ridiculous over hostility to Danny in The Caretaker and In the Forest being really not good, I quite enjoyed it. Though I still can’t decide what I think of Kill the Moon. One of my problems with 12 is how he treats Danny. This is the Doctor who tells everyone else to 'be kind' yet doesn't demonstrate that in his own actions, a selfish hypocritical Doctor. & Kill the Moon was dumb.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 14:38:14 GMT
Finished Series 8, and I quite enjoyed. Aside from the Doctor’s ridiculous over hostility to Danny in The Caretaker and In the Forest being really not good, I quite enjoyed it. Though I still can’t decide what I think of Kill the Moon. I don’t think he was overly hostile, it made perfect sense for 12 to be upset. He felt like Danny was his replacement/ rival for Clara’s affections. It might not have been exactly the right way for him to go about it but it was a natural reaction to have under the circumstances. People don’t always think rationally or do exactly the right thing when it comes to matters of the heart especially if they feel hurt emotionally. I think it would have been less believable and made less sense if 12 did get along with Danny in “The Caretaker “. But you're completely ignoring that in the same episode, Capaldi's Doctor is happy to see Clara be interested in another guy - when he thinks it's the teacher who looks and dresses like Matt's Doc. So I'd read it as more evidence of the "I'm not your boyfriend..I never said it was your mistake" scene from Deep Breath, an admission from The Doctor that Matt's incarnation may have had those feelings. Capaldi was delighted to think Clara was after someone who looked the way he used to, he wasn't hurt in those scenes.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 13, 2021 14:42:18 GMT
Finished Series 8, and I quite enjoyed. Aside from the Doctor’s ridiculous over hostility to Danny in The Caretaker and In the Forest being really not good, I quite enjoyed it. Though I still can’t decide what I think of Kill the Moon. One of my problems with 12 is how he treats Danny. This is the Doctor who tells everyone else to 'be kind' yet doesn't demonstrate that in his own actions, a selfish hypocritical Doctor. & Kill the Moon was dumb. 12’s not, he’s a flawed person who has massive insecurities about himself and was experiencing jealousy because he felt he was loosing Clara (the woman he loved). He does learn kindness but it’s a long process that takes years for him until he gives that speech in his last episode about kindness. He is kind but he not perfect and has many struggles and setbacks. 12 is a bit like the Beast or Ebenezer Scrooge his arch is all about personal transformation and learning to be a kind better person.
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