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Post by themeddlingmonk on Mar 12, 2019 13:06:52 GMT
Devil in the Mist takes place shortly after The King’s Demons.
Black Thursday takes place shortly after Devil in the Mist (One of the first lines in the TARDIS is Turlough asking the Doctor how he feels after the events of Devil in the Mist)
Power Game takes place immediately after Black Thursday.
The Kamelion Empire takes place immediately after Power Game and leads directly into The Five Doctors.
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Post by Whovitt on Jul 20, 2019 9:34:31 GMT
Relative Time from The Legacy of Time starts with the Doctor setting course for Amsterdam, and given that {Spoiler} he forgets the events of the story, so he'd probably go straight back to programming the TARDIS for that destination afterwards, it's probably safe to assume this story takes place directly before he returns at the end of The Waters of Amsterdam 
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 17, 2020 16:21:54 GMT
So I was listening to Circular Time and Renaissance of the Daleks the other day and I’ve picked up on a few things.
For starters, Autumn definitely needs to come after the DWM Comics as the Doctor constantly refers to all the previous times he’s played cricket in Stockbridge and they even have pictures of him up on the walls from when he’s played in past years. But they of course think that it’s a family line rather than just the one man. I suppose you could in theory say that the DWM comics were a later trip but it doesn’t really sit right.
Also, there’s not actually a gap between the Doctor dropping off Nyssa in Rhodes and arriving at the Savoy hotel in Renaissance because General Tillington basically says that they watched the Doctor drop Nyssa off in Rhodes and then go to the hotel. Plus because of the interocitor, the same amount of time has to pass for the Doctor as Nyssa which is pretty much a day, if even that. If the Doctor had gone off on loads of adventures before arriving at the hotel, he would’ve gotten Nyssa’s message about being in trouble long before even arriving at the hotel.
And finally, I relistened to Fallen Angels and i think the line about the trip to Heathrow has been taken a bit out of context because I don’t think it necessarily suggests that the Doctor was there recently. The exchange goes something like this:
Doctor: “The chaps at Heathrow are lovely” Gabby: “Been there recently?” Doctor: “1981” Gabby: “That long ago?” (Shes from 2015) Doctor: “Not so long for me, but five hundred years in the future (they’re in the sixteenth century) see that’s the thing about time travel.
So it’s less a case of him having been there recently, and more a case of him commenting on the nature of time travel and how 1981 was like 30 years ago for Gabby but the Doctor was in 1981 a lot more recently than 30 years ago, if that makes sense.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 17, 2020 16:41:27 GMT
So I was listening to Circular Time and Renaissance of the Daleks the other day and I’ve picked up on a few things. For starters, Autumn definitely needs to come after the DWM Comics as the Doctor constantly refers to all the previous times he’s played cricket in Stockbridge and they even have pictures of him up on the walls from when he’s played in past years. But they of course think that it’s a family line rather than just the one man. I suppose you could in theory say that the DWM comics were a later trip but it doesn’t really sit right. Also, there’s not actually a gap between the Doctor dropping off Nyssa in Rhodes and arriving at the Savoy hotel in Renaissance because General Tillington basically says that they watched the Doctor drop Nyssa off in Rhodes and then go to the hotel. Plus because of the interocitor, the same amount of time has to pass for the Doctor as Nyssa which is pretty much a day, if even that. If the Doctor had gone off on loads of adventures before arriving at the hotel, he would’ve gotten Nyssa’s message about being in trouble long before even arriving at the hotel. And finally, I relistened to Fallen Angels and i think the line about the trip to Heathrow has been taken a bit out of context because I don’t think it necessarily suggests that the Doctor was there recently. The exchange goes something like this: Doctor: “The chaps at Heathrow are lovely” Gabby: “Been there recently?” Doctor: “1981” Gabby: “That long ago?” (Shes from 2015) Doctor: “Not so long for me, but five hundred years in the future (they’re in the sixteenth century) see that’s the thing about time travel. So it’s less a case of him having been there recently, and more a case of him commenting on the nature of time travel and how 1981 was like 30 years ago for Gabby but the Doctor was in 1981 a lot more recently than 30 years ago, if that makes sense. Ah. That rather reopens the problem of where the DWM Comics and Empire of the Racnoss belong. So since the DWM Comics must be prior to Autumn and the Stockbridge Trilogy, there must be a totally undefined period where the Doctor is alone. Are there any other stories during his time with Nyssa that could be interpreted as providing such a gap or do we just have to assume one exists? I listened to Empire relatively recently and there’s nothing to really go on. The Doctor mentions Tegan at one point when complaining about characters arguing, so it could be in the Waters of Amsterdam gap. Agreed about Fallen Angels, it could probably go in the Waters gap too. Sidenote, Billy Walker I notice you’ve put The Helliax Rift in the gap created by The Gathering. The problem with this is it’s kinda implied the Doctor can’t remember this part of his life well, for some reason, as the Sixth Doctor doesn’t pick up on hints sent by his past self in The Reaping. By contrast the Sixth Doctor fully recalls the events of Helliax in Hour of the Cybermen. As the cover of Helliax has the Doctor in his Season 21 outfit, might I suggest it could work just after And You Will Obey Me as another side trip before the Doctor went back to Little Hodcombe?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 17, 2020 17:09:05 GMT
Ah. That rather reopens the problem of where the DWM Comics and Empire of the Racnoss belong. So since the DWM Comics must be prior to Autumn and the Stockbridge Trilogy, there must be a totally undefined period where the Doctor is alone. Are there any other stories during his time with Nyssa that could be interpreted as providing such a gap or do we just have to assume one exists? I listened to Empire relatively recently and there’s nothing to really go on. The Doctor mentions Tegan at one point when complaining about characters arguing, so it could be in the Waters of Amsterdam gap. Agreed about Fallen Angels, it could probably go in the Waters gap too. Sidenote, Billy Walker I notice you’ve put The Helliax Rift in the gap created by The Gathering. The problem with this is it’s kinda implied the Doctor can’t remember this part of his life well, for some reason, as the Sixth Doctor doesn’t pick up on hints sent by his past self in The Reaping. By contrast the Sixth Doctor fully recalls the events of Helliax in Hour of the Cybermen. As the cover of Helliax has the Doctor in his Season 21 outfit, might I suggest it could work just after And You Will Obey Me as another side trip before the Doctor went back to Little Hodcombe? Yeah I think Empire of the Racnoss was just put in that comics gap to keep it close to Fallen Angels. Personally I would agree that they both make way more sense sitting in the Amsterdam gap. We know that he gives up trying for Amsterdam for a while from The Burning and Diary of River Song, before trying to get there again and still failing to get there. So I would say that if in doubt solo stories go in the Amsterdam gap. I would probably go as far to say that the Comics gap shouldn’t be a solo gap in its own right, and I’d rather believe that Nyssa is in the same timezone as the Doctor, she’s just not in Stockbridge and thus not involved in the comics. Maybe she took a train to London and attended a conference while the Doctor spent a few weeks playing cricket. Perhaps this prompted their later lengthy stay in Autumn after Nyssa didn’t get to spend much time in Stockbridge before. It’s certainly a location the pair come back to often. I didn’t think of the issue with having The Helliax Rift in The Gathering gap. I’ve had it in the Awakening gap before but I’m not a huge fan of that because there isn’t really a gap there other than suggesting he might have gone on an additional solo trip after And You Will Obey Me, which I’d rather not do. But perhaps I’ll have to reconsider. It certainly needs to be at some point in Season 21 due to the costume on the cover, Alan Barnes saying on twitter that he felt like it was a later on story for the Fifth Doctor, and it being set in 1984.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 11, 2020 14:55:16 GMT
Am going to listen to the 2021 MR 5th Dr stories shortly. Is there a recommended order?
Does Shadow of the Daleks fit in around the same time as Time Alone or is it a different period of Five travelling alone?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 11, 2020 15:05:43 GMT
Am going to listen to the 2021 MR 5th Dr stories shortly. Is there a recommended order? Does Shadow of the Daleks fit in around the same time as Time Alone or is it a different period of Five travelling alone? It can go in either or. He mentions Tegan a couple of times and also references Terileptils and Omega. There’s not much else to go on. I’m erring towards the Amsterdam gap right now but it could just as easily go in the Time Apart gap if you really wanted it to.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 11, 2020 16:46:24 GMT
Am going to listen to the 2021 MR 5th Dr stories shortly. Is there a recommended order? Does Shadow of the Daleks fit in around the same time as Time Alone or is it a different period of Five travelling alone? It can go in either or. He mentions Tegan a couple of times and also references Terileptils and Omega. There’s not much else to go on. I’m erring towards the Amsterdam gap right now but it could just as easily go in the Time Apart gap if you really wanted it to. Thanks
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Post by constonks on Nov 12, 2020 15:54:55 GMT
FWIW I threw it after And You Will Obey Me - that story has Tegan and Turlough in 1980s Little Hodcombe and the Doctor in the 2010s, so it's the latest Tegan gap in my opinion.
Amsterdam gap works fine too, though.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 13, 2020 12:25:13 GMT
FWIW I threw it after And You Will Obey Me - that story has Tegan and Turlough in 1980s Little Hodcombe and the Doctor in the 2010s, so it's the latest Tegan gap in my opinion. Amsterdam gap works fine too, though. Personally I don’t like that gap because it’s such a short hop for the Doctor I have difficultly believing that he didn’t go straight back to Little Hodcombe. Obviously stranger things have happened but that’s just my personal preference.
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