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Post by tuigirl on Oct 24, 2019 7:20:06 GMT
I've been trying to reconcile the Silurian timeline, because that's the sort of thing you do when you're a little insane, and I've come up with a wild theory. (I'm sure there's something to contradict it.) There were two separate Silurian civilizations. The first was roughly contemporary to the dinosaurs and ended with the asteroid/Adric impact of 65 million years ago. Some Silurians took to space in an ark, while others settled into hibernation. Some hibernation pods malfunctioned, leaving the Silurians to sleep, but others worked, waking them up after the initial ash clouds and mass extinctions, to rebuild their obliterated society. This would be in the Eocene era, when mammals were started to become dominant. The Silurians changed and evolved, developing third eyes and aquatic subspecies, and encountered early primates which they considered "pests." Another astronomical event (theorized to be the coming of the Moon, though this does not match contemporary scientific theory. Unless one considers that it may have been the arrival or an earlier hatching of the "Egg" encountered by the Doctor and Clara Oswald in the mid-twenty-first-century...) caused this civilization to build new shelters, recalling the survival of their ancestors. This time, they were not so lucky, and Silurian civilization crumbled while they slept away, the Earth passing into the paws of the "apes" the Silurians had dismissed as pets... Haha, great idea reconciling the storytelling with the Science! The other possibility would be a cute little universe where the Flintstones really existed....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 10:37:27 GMT
The War Doctor was NOT The War Doctor. Well, not really.
Lemme explain...
McGann is presented with the exlirs on Karn, each deciding what he could be "Young or old, fat or thin? What do you need?" Then McGann says "WARRIOR....make me a warrior now". Ohilia nods and says "I took the liberty of preparing this one myself". It's my belief that the elixir she gave The Doctor was not anything warrior-inducing but a placebo of sorts. He believed he was a warrior but fundamentally...he was still The Doctor. He's The Doctor who will go closer than any other in his actions but he's not the bloodthirsty madman some thought he would be when we learned of his existence.
This placebo from Ohilia explains why he's not portrayed as all that bad in the War Doc audios and why the only truly reprehensible thing he ever did - using The Moment - he didn't actually do anyway as per DOTD. Ohilia, like the TARDIS, didn't do what the Doctor asked for...but what he needed.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 24, 2019 10:41:46 GMT
The War Doctor was NOT The War Doctor. Well, not really. Lemme explain... McGann is presented with the exlirs on Karn, each deciding what he could be "Young or old, fat or thin? What do you need?" Then McGann says "WARRIOR....make me a warrior now". Ohilia nods and says "I took the liberty of preparing this one myself". It's my belief that the elixir she gave The Doctor was not anything warrior-inducing but a placebo of sorts. He believed he was a warrior but fundamentally...he was still The Doctor. He's The Doctor who will go closer than any other in his actions but he's not the bloodthirsty madman some thought he would be when we learned of his existence. This placebo from Ohilia explains why he's not portrayed as all that bad in the War Doc audios and why the only truly reprehensible thing he ever did - using The Moment - he didn't actually do anyway as per DOTD. Ohilia, like the TARDIS, didn't do what the Doctor asked for...but what he needed. Agreed
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Post by sherlock on Oct 24, 2019 10:41:52 GMT
The War Doctor was NOT The War Doctor. Well, not really. Lemme explain... McGann is presented with the exlirs on Karn, each deciding what he could be "Young or old, fat or thin? What do you need?" Then McGann says "WARRIOR....make me a warrior now". Ohilia nods and says "I took the liberty of preparing this one myself". It's my belief that the elixir she gave The Doctor was not anything warrior-inducing but a placebo of sorts. He believed he was a warrior but fundamentally...he was still The Doctor. He's The Doctor who will go closer than any other in his actions but he's not the bloodthirsty madman some thought he would be when we learned of his existence. This placebo from Ohilia explains why he's not portrayed as all that bad in the War Doc audios and why the only truly reprehensible thing he ever did - using The Moment - he didn't actually do anyway as per DOTD. Ohilia, like the TARDIS, didn't do what the Doctor asked for...but what he needed. The placebo theory is actually confirmed in The Day of the Doctor novelisation. Apparently the elixir she gave him was just some dry ice and lemonade.
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 24, 2019 17:46:58 GMT
The War Doctor was NOT The War Doctor. Well, not really. Lemme explain... McGann is presented with the exlirs on Karn, each deciding what he could be "Young or old, fat or thin? What do you need?" Then McGann says "WARRIOR....make me a warrior now". Ohilia nods and says "I took the liberty of preparing this one myself". It's my belief that the elixir she gave The Doctor was not anything warrior-inducing but a placebo of sorts. He believed he was a warrior but fundamentally...he was still The Doctor. He's The Doctor who will go closer than any other in his actions but he's not the bloodthirsty madman some thought he would be when we learned of his existence. This placebo from Ohilia explains why he's not portrayed as all that bad in the War Doc audios and why the only truly reprehensible thing he ever did - using The Moment - he didn't actually do anyway as per DOTD. Ohilia, like the TARDIS, didn't do what the Doctor asked for...but what he needed. This is basically what she says herself in Moffat's novel "Day of the Doctor". By the way, really recommend that book, it is absolutely fantastic and my favorite Who book. Even when you are like me and have watched the episode 10 times, the book is still new and original, because it is told out of order, adds new stuff, has entirely new scenes and is just written in a VERY fun and engaging way. It is nearly what you could call an interactive book. And it breaks the 4th wall frequently.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 24, 2019 21:17:30 GMT
This is a theory/head canon for a storyline I would love to actually be canon someday either done on tv or Big Finish:
At some point the Doctor will get a companion who seems strangely familiar. This new companion is very loud and outspoken, somewhere in their twenties and was working an office job.The Doctor won’t be able to place who they remind them of for a long time. Only when this new companion takes the Doctor to meet their family only for it to be revealed that their mother is none other than Donna Noble. Through the presence of the Doctor and her child’s time travel residue (or some other complex scientific explanation) give Donna both her memories and her DoctorDonna powers back and the three end up traveling in the Tardis together. They have many adventures, and the Doctor has to get Donna used to the fact that she is now effectively a Time Lady. Donna’s child struggles with feeling left out being the only regular human in the Tardis and Is prayed upon by the Master who claims they can make them an even more powerful time lord. They have many run ins with Rassilon who believes Donna to be an abomination due to her being originally human. The Doctor decides they need to lay low from the other time lords. So they go to Pete’s world and stay with the Meta Crisis Doctor ( technically the Doctor and Donna’s child),Rose, and the rest of their family. Donna’s child bonds with their newly discovered half brother, the Meta Crisis Doctor and decides to stay in Pete’s World. The Master, Rassilon, and other Timelords find them eventually but Donna sacrifices herself to save everyone resulting in her first regeneration. The newly regenerated Donna acquires a Tardis and desides to travel alone for a while but would promise to visit everyone. The Doctor ends up gaining a new companion in one of Rose and the Meta Crisis’s children.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 0:40:51 GMT
This is probably a crazy late theory but it’s what I’d like to believe: I think that the Doctor’s past and future incarnations live in the Doctor’s mind. Even though we don’t get to see in their head normally, I think all the other incarnations wake up from a sort of slumber and voice their thoughts and opinions occasionally, like many Jiminy Crickets. The other versions of the Doctor never really go away when they regenerate they just take a back seat to the current dominant personality. Under the right conditions such as perhaps hypnosis or a seance the Doctor comes possibly become possessed by a past or future incarnation of themselves. I like the idea (a lot!) but as Tuigirl has already said, possibly a bit too close to The Eleven for comfort..so how's about setting it during the twelve to fifteen hours post regeneration when the Doctor's emotions are all over the place as the new personality is settling in? I can see the previous lives dropping in for a chat when the Doctor's mental barriers are temporarily down...😊 There is a precedent for that. When Five's regeneration starts failing in Castrovalva, he begins regressing through his differing incarnations. Taking on aspects of themselves to bolster his own failing memory. It's possible we actually lose the Fifth Doctor somewhere between the first half of "Part One" and their arrival at the Zero Room. It's only his predecessors that keep his brain kicking forward, as it were. Due to the Doctor's mind becoming occupied by an alien intelligence, Timewyrm: Revelation has various incarnations take on symbolic aspects of his psyche. For the Seventh Doctor and Ace to directly interact with. The First Doctor is called the Librarian and holds his wisdom, the Third Doctor is the Prisoner and manages his resolve, the Fourth Doctor is the Ferryman and explores his wanderlust, and the Fifth acts as his conscience. Much further down the track, the Eighth visits the Seventh in his subconscious later on in The Gallifrey Chronicles where I think he represents the Doctor's cunning.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 25, 2019 8:16:46 GMT
The War Doctor was NOT The War Doctor. Well, not really. Lemme explain... McGann is presented with the exlirs on Karn, each deciding what he could be "Young or old, fat or thin? What do you need?" Then McGann says "WARRIOR....make me a warrior now". Ohilia nods and says "I took the liberty of preparing this one myself". It's my belief that the elixir she gave The Doctor was not anything warrior-inducing but a placebo of sorts. He believed he was a warrior but fundamentally...he was still The Doctor. He's The Doctor who will go closer than any other in his actions but he's not the bloodthirsty madman some thought he would be when we learned of his existence. This placebo from Ohilia explains why he's not portrayed as all that bad in the War Doc audios and why the only truly reprehensible thing he ever did - using The Moment - he didn't actually do anyway as per DOTD. Ohilia, like the TARDIS, didn't do what the Doctor asked for...but what he needed. Moffat agrees - his novelisation of “Day of the Doctor” has the narrator *cough**cough* tell us that the specially prepared elixir was just lemonade and dry ice.
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Post by Superium on Oct 27, 2019 6:26:10 GMT
I really don't care about who The Timeless Child is. It's a throwaway line that people clung onto, for some reason. Tell you what, I might start caring if they address who The Minister of War was from Before The Flood.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 27, 2019 7:05:11 GMT
I don't really care about who The Timeless Child is. It's a throwaway line that people clung onto, for some reason. Tell you what, I might start caring if they address who The Minister of War was from Before The Flood. I’m just assuming that the Minister of War was the incarnation of the Minister of Chance who came before Julian Wadham and afternoon Stephen Fry explaining how he went from lashing out in rage at the injustices of the universe (Fry) and just weary and cynical (Wadham). Probably played by Sam Kisgart.
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Post by Superium on Oct 29, 2019 17:09:08 GMT
I've never understood the appeal of Sarah Jane. To add onto this, with the exception of Romana, Nyssa, and Ace, I've never understood the appeal of any of the classic companions after Jo.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Oct 30, 2019 19:53:59 GMT
I've never understood the appeal of Sarah Jane. To add onto this, with the exception of Romana, Nyssa, and Ace, I've never understood the appeal of any of the classic companions after Jo. I'll adjust this for me, Romana I, not Romana II.
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Post by Superium on Oct 31, 2019 19:45:10 GMT
I've never understood the appeal of Sarah Jane. YANA My theory as to why she's popular is less to do with her character and more to do with the fact that she was at the right place at the right time in the show. She's in the most successful period the show's ever had. Anyone from that era is bound to be remembered fondly.
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Post by shutupbanks on Oct 31, 2019 22:15:08 GMT
My theory as to why she's popular is less to do with her character and more to do with the fact that she was at the right place at the right time in the show. She's in the most successful period the show's ever had. Anyone from that era is bound to be remembered fondly. I love Elisabeth Sladen and I like the character when written well, but I think a lot of writers wouldn’t let her be as brave or clever as the Doctor and she came across as a bit of a damsel in distress a lot of the time. Leela was brave and clever and had a character that was really hard to write into that sort of corner (although it was managed).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 11:45:06 GMT
My theory as to why she's popular is less to do with her character and more to do with the fact that she was at the right place at the right time in the show. She's in the most successful period the show's ever had. Anyone from that era is bound to be remembered fondly. I love Elisabeth Sladen and I like the character when written well, but I think a lot of writers wouldn’t let her be as brave or clever as the Doctor and she came across as a bit of a damsel in distress a lot of the time. Leela was brave and clever and had a character that was really hard to write into that sort of corner (although it was managed). I really love Sarah's dressing down of Scorby when they're alone in The Seeds of Doom for that reason. She's scared (boy, is she scared), but she's not going to let Scorby vent his fears on her. He pushes, she pushes back. Hard. And frightens him because he's exactly what she's discovered he is. Someone who doesn't feel complete unless he has a gun in his hand. Best of all, it's not a smug "a-ha, got you" moment for her. Although she momentarily descends to Scorby's level, she has enough self-awareness to pull herself out and be frustrated by the fact. So, we get that nice moment of defiance and we can still mark the difference between her and him. That's nice and clever. It feels really earned.
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Post by timegirl on Nov 2, 2019 21:51:28 GMT
This is a weird theory I have of something that could be a series long story arc at some point provided they had the right actor or actress for it:
At some point in the Doctor and Master’s timelines they will both regenerate with identical bodies. The Doctor will get blamed for terrible things that the Master has done and has to struggle to fix things and win people back over. The Master tries to both make the Doctor look bad as well as take credit for their achievements. The Master is also plotting to swap places with the Doctor permanently.
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 2, 2019 22:15:17 GMT
This is a weird theory I have of something that could be a series long story arc at some point provided they had the right actor or actress for it: At some point in the Doctor and Master’s timelines they will both regenerate with identical bodies. The Doctor will get blamed for terrible things that the Master has done and has to struggle to fix things and win people back over. The Master tries to both make the Doctor look bad as well as take credit for their achievements. The Master is also plotting to swap places with the Doctor permanently. This would be a really neat idea. Wouldn‘t that be a good backdrop for a BF series of box sets? The most impact it would have if the audience was also kept in the dark and then there is the big cliffhanger reveal... Or would this be too much Valeyard style?
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Post by timegirl on Nov 2, 2019 22:32:32 GMT
This is a weird theory I have of something that could be a series long story arc at some point provided they had the right actor or actress for it: At some point in the Doctor and Master’s timelines they will both regenerate with identical bodies. The Doctor will get blamed for terrible things that the Master has done and has to struggle to fix things and win people back over. The Master tries to both make the Doctor look bad as well as take credit for their achievements. The Master is also plotting to swap places with the Doctor permanently. This would be a really neat idea. Wouldn‘t that be a good backdrop for a BF series of box sets? The most impact it would have if the audience was also kept in the dark and then there is the big cliffhanger reveal... Or would this be too much Valeyard style? I think it would be different from the Valeyard because it would not merely be a good and bad version of the Doctor. I think it could have an interesting angle with the Master purposely regenerating to look identical to the Doctor as a twisted way of flirting, with the Master luxuriating in the fact that they now looked identical to each other.
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 2, 2019 22:37:36 GMT
This would be a really neat idea. Wouldn‘t that be a good backdrop for a BF series of box sets? The most impact it would have if the audience was also kept in the dark and then there is the big cliffhanger reveal... Or would this be too much Valeyard style? I think it would be different from the Valeyard because it would not merely be a good and bad version of the Doctor. I think it could have an interesting angle with the Master purposely regenerating to look identical to the Doctor as a twisted way of flirting, with the Master luxuriating in the fact that they now looked identical to each other. Great idea. This would bring the flirting, Eyes of the Master/ Missy style, to a whole new level. And it would be a original idea- surprised it has not been done before.
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Post by timegirl on Nov 2, 2019 22:44:42 GMT
I think it would be different from the Valeyard because it would not merely be a good and bad version of the Doctor. I think it could have an interesting angle with the Master purposely regenerating to look identical to the Doctor as a twisted way of flirting, with the Master luxuriating in the fact that they now looked identical to each other. Great idea. This would bring the flirting, Eyes of the Master/ Missy style, to a whole new level. And it would be a original idea- surprised it has not been done before. I have an image in my head of the Master whispering this quote from”I a the walrus” in the Doctor’s ear very suggestively: “I am he as you are he as you are me, And we all come together”
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