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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 12:55:24 GMT
I think with all due respect to Ela, this is a forum which discusses Big Finish releases. There is an expectation that contribuitors are up to date with current releases or are prepared to be spoiled for such developments unless they start a thread stating otherwise. This is a fair point. Maybe if there's been a sale on something recently we should try to refrain from spoilers on that range/titles though, as that's when people are most likely to be avoiding them. I don't know - it just feels a bit counterproductive to me to the forum's intent. It's difficult to discuss, say Doom Coalition - a particular pressing Big Finish release - if there is an Eighth Doctor Adventures sale, for instance. I'm all for new people coming in, I really am - but it just seems to me to overly cautious. People can go back and fill the gaps in themselves, if they want to. |
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Post by acousticwolf on Apr 8, 2016 13:30:31 GMT
I'm all for new people coming in, I really am - but it just seems to me to overly cautious. People can go back and fill the gaps in themselves, if they want to. I think Ela is talking about spoilers in general threads rather than being spoiled in specific discussion threads (that will obviously contain spoilers). Although I do think it is hard not to spoil when things have been released for a long period of time (and the information is freely available across the interweb) Just my 2 penneth ... Cheers Tony |
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Post by kimalysong on Apr 8, 2016 13:41:10 GMT
Well I was spoiled about Lucie Miller well before I listened to her audios but I guess it is what it is.
Still I think it is nice to be considerate of others when you are revealing a major twist or something you yourself were surprised about even if it is something old. I am not really sure if we can police every single thread looking for spoilers from all time but try to think of others that is all. And note I am sure I accidentally spoiled things in the past and probably will in the future. I am pretty sure no one is blameless in that regard.
And yes the new releases from Big Finish will always be spoiler friendly when they are released (we always add that to the top of threads). We know people want to discuss these releases without adding spoiler tags every second. People who haven't listened to those releases should know to enter them at their own risk.
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Post by elkawho on Apr 8, 2016 13:49:35 GMT
This is a fair point. Maybe if there's been a sale on something recently we should try to refrain from spoilers on that range/titles though, as that's when people are most likely to be avoiding them. I don't know - it just feels a bit counterproductive to me to the forum's intent. It's difficult to discuss, say Doom Coalition - a particular pressing Big Finish release - if there is an Eighth Doctor Adventures sale, for instance. I'm all for new people coming in, I really am - but it just seems to me to overly cautious. People can go back and fill the gaps in themselves, if they want to. All discussion threads have "Spoilers" in the thread title. If that's the case, go to town. I avoid those threads completely if I don't want to be spoiled on the story. What I find interesting is that I've noticed some people put comments in spoiler tags even when it's a discussion thread. I've always thought that odd. |
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 8, 2016 13:51:23 GMT
In the Novel adapts thread, i did put a fair few plot points and such in Spoiler tags, especially since these books are kind of hard to find at times
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Post by jasonward on Apr 8, 2016 15:11:30 GMT
OK.. but, so in the thread about what story I would want/write if Doctor Who was coming to an end, I wrote something along the lines of "The Doctor, trapped on Galifrey, sensing his own demise, throws himself into the looms".
Is that a spoiler? Yes or no, where is the line drawn?
For me it's much easier to acknowledge (and by easier I mean police) based on the age of a release and available information from official sources, than it is to start making nuanced judgement calls about what and when a line was crossed.
I also don't want to see a thread like the one I reference above full of spoiler tags.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 8, 2016 15:33:07 GMT
OK.. but, so in the thread about what story I would want/write if Doctor Who was coming to an end, I wrote something along the lines of "The Doctor, trapped on Galifrey, sensing his own demise, throws himself into the looms". Is that a spoiler? Yes or no, where is the line drawn? For me it's much easier to acknowledge (and by easier I mean police) based on the age of a release and available information from official sources, than it is to start making nuanced judgement calls about what and when a line was crossed. I also don't want to see a thread like the one I reference above full of spoiler tags. What a safe age though?
Lucie Miller being a case in point.
Apologies if anyone still doesn't know this
Gallfey 1 Podcast 2014 Nic Briggs mentions how well receved Lucie's surprise return and death were and over half the audience gasped that he'd just spoiled them, and that was after 4 years and who knows how many sales opportunities
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Post by jasonward on Apr 8, 2016 15:43:40 GMT
For me, and I speak personally, I would say 6 months. Why? Well because 1) free discussion should be encouraged, people shouldn't in general feel encumbered by the rules 2) a line must be drawn somewhere especially if we are to police it, otherwise it will lead to inconsistent decisions based on the mod and there mood at the time.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 8, 2016 15:54:38 GMT
For me, and I speak personally, I would say 6 months. Why? Well because 1) free discussion should be encouraged, people shouldn't in general feel encumbered by the rules 2) a line must be drawn somewhere especially if we are to police it, otherwise it will lead to inconsistent decisions based on the mod and there mood at the time. Ok then so new release/ news Threads add Spoilers to the header?
General Discussion Threads and mentions of news and releases over 6 months old spoiler Tags in the post at the Poster's discretion?
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Post by Ela on Apr 8, 2016 18:08:13 GMT
I'm all for new people coming in, I really am - but it just seems to me to overly cautious. People can go back and fill the gaps in themselves, if they want to. I think Ela is talking about spoilers in general threads rather than being spoiled in specific discussion threads (that will obviously contain spoilers). Although I do think it is hard not to spoil when things have been released for a long period of time (and the information is freely available across the interweb) Just my 2 penneth ... Cheers Tony Yes, I am talking about putting spoilers for specific stories in general threads. It's very easy to put things in spoiler tags and assume that not "everyone" knows specific critical plot points. Even if Big Finish has spoiled those plot points themselves. Some of us go out of our ways to avoid places where those types of spoilers might be revealed. But it's harder to avoid spoilers if people put critical and/or climactic plot points in a general discussion thread. I'm just asking for common courtesy. Use spoiler tags in threads not specifically marked "spoilers". |
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Post by Ela on Apr 8, 2016 18:14:12 GMT
OK.. but, so in the thread about what story I would want/write if Doctor Who was coming to an end, I wrote something along the lines of "The Doctor, trapped on Galifrey, sensing his own demise, throws himself into the looms". Is that a spoiler? Yes or no, where is the line drawn? For me it's much easier to acknowledge (and by easier I mean police) based on the age of a release and available information from official sources, than it is to start making nuanced judgement calls about what and when a line was crossed. I also don't want to see a thread like the one I reference above full of spoiler tags. That's not a good example of a spoiler because you are conjecturing about a story you would want to write, not something already written and available for general consumption. |
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Post by Ela on Apr 8, 2016 18:17:13 GMT
For me, and I speak personally, I would say 6 months. Why? Well because 1) free discussion should be encouraged, people shouldn't in general feel encumbered by the rules 2) a line must be drawn somewhere especially if we are to police it, otherwise it will lead to inconsistent decisions based on the mod and there mood at the time. I disagree with 6 months in a general discussion thread. There's no real end date on spoilers. Just use common sense regarding critical plot points unless you are in a thread specifically labeled "spoilers". |
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Post by jasonward on Apr 8, 2016 19:18:25 GMT
OK.. but, so in the thread about what story I would want/write if Doctor Who was coming to an end, I wrote something along the lines of "The Doctor, trapped on Galifrey, sensing his own demise, throws himself into the looms". Is that a spoiler? Yes or no, where is the line drawn? For me it's much easier to acknowledge (and by easier I mean police) based on the age of a release and available information from official sources, than it is to start making nuanced judgement calls about what and when a line was crossed. I also don't want to see a thread like the one I reference above full of spoiler tags. That's not a good example of a spoiler because you are conjecturing about a story you would want to write, not something already written and available for general consumption.  except its a pretty direct reference to a Who story. |
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Post by Ela on Apr 8, 2016 20:06:50 GMT
I have to admit I don't recognize the reference. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 6:30:49 GMT
This is part of the problem I have with trying to make a rule about spoilers when whatever it is, is long released. BF podcasts, Vortex letters page and much more that BF produce will "spoil" the story for those that have not yet heard them, it just seems strange to have a rule about spoilers for stuff already in the open from BF and I would find it personally hard to find something a punishable offence of the rules unless the spoiler was malicious. I think with all due respect to Ela, this is a forum which discusses Big Finish releases. There is an expectation that contribuitors are up to date with current releases or are prepared to be spoiled for such developments unless they start a thread stating otherwise. I agree that if the information has been made publicly available by Big Finish then it's no longer officially a spoiler. So the eighth doctor ending is an example - it annoyed me, but I realise its the price I pay for being 5 years behind on my releases. similarly, I don't think anything related to any but the latest series of TV doctor who should be regarded as a spoiler. Seriously, the ending of Earthshock is surely pretty much common knowledge by now. We just trip ourselves up otherwise. is it a spoiler that Tom Baker only makes a cameo appearance in the Five Doctors? Or that the cybermen yeti and daleks are in it but sontarans aren't, which could be connected to their being prevented from joining the Time war? |
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Post by Tony Jones on Apr 9, 2016 6:33:14 GMT
I have to admit I don't recognize the reference. Lungbarrow methinks |
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Post by Ela on Apr 10, 2016 2:58:17 GMT
I have to admit I don't recognize the reference. Lungbarrow methinks Ah. Could be. It's been a while since I read it. |
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Post by Ela on Apr 10, 2016 3:03:03 GMT
I agree that if the information has been made publicly available by Big Finish then it's no longer officially a spoiler. So the eighth doctor ending is an example - it annoyed me, but I realise its the price I pay for being 5 years behind on my releases. similarly, I don't think anything related to any but the latest series of TV doctor who should be regarded as a spoiler. Seriously, the ending of Earthshock is surely pretty much common knowledge by now. We just trip ourselves up otherwise. is it a spoiler that I still disagree. Some of us specifically try to avoid reading even the Big Finish specific information about stories we haven't heard yet. Even stories that are many years old. The ending of Earthshock is common knowledge to you, but it wasn't common knowledge to my husband, who was not a Doctor Who fan as a kid and only saw it in the last year. And the ending was a surprise to him. What's the big deal about putting critical plot points in spoilers? Many people here are doing it already, and I never heard them complain about having to do so. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 7:07:59 GMT
I agree that if the information has been made publicly available by Big Finish then it's no longer officially a spoiler. So the eighth doctor ending is an example - it annoyed me, but I realise its the price I pay for being 5 years behind on my releases. similarly, I don't think anything related to any but the latest series of TV doctor who should be regarded as a spoiler. Seriously, the ending of Earthshock is surely pretty much common knowledge by now. We just trip ourselves up otherwise. is it a spoiler that I still disagree. Some of us specifically try to avoid reading even the Big Finish specific information about stories we haven't heard yet. Even stories that are many years old. The ending of Earthshock is common knowledge to you, but it wasn't common knowledge to my husband, who was not a Doctor Who fan as a kid and only saw it in the last year. And the ending was a surprise to him. What's the big deal about putting critical plot points in spoilers? Many people here are doing it already, and I never heard them complain about having to do so. I think the point is that it's hard to remember what is a critical plot point when you've lived with the knowledge for 25 years. So Earthshock yes, but what about my Five Doctors example. would anyone view that as a spoile? And as I'm on mobile using Tapatalk, it took me about five minutes and three edits to get the spoiler tags working properly on that post! |
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Post by Ela on Apr 10, 2016 15:21:38 GMT
So Earthshock yes, but what about my Five Doctors example. would anyone view that as a spoile? And as I'm on mobile using Tapatalk, it took me about five minutes and three edits to get the spoiler tags working properly on that post! You did a good job. I don't like Tapatalk much, I finally deleted it. I post in mobile view on Chrome. Still tricky on a small screen, but not as tricky as Tapatalk, I don't think. And no, I don't think your Five Doctors example is a spoiler. People expect Five Doctors in a show called The Five Doctors. |
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except its a pretty direct reference to a Who story.