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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 17:58:44 GMT
Yeah, I didn't see his presence in the trailer as a spoiler, either. But, as I said above, different people have different thresholds about what they do and don't consider spoilers. Because some things would be nice surprises. Who would expect him to pop up in Doom Coalition at the start? It would have been a nice moment that snuck under the radar. I didn't say it's a spoiler, I said it's the kind of thing that would be nice if we didn't know about beforehand which is a subtle, but still different, distinction. I don't understand why that isn't more desirable than knowing what's coming but then there are people, even on this forum, who seek out plot spoilers for their favourite shows and big movies before they see them which to me seems just crazy.
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Post by Ela on Apr 25, 2016 18:00:48 GMT
I understand that. That's why I said people have different limits in terms of what they consider spoilers.
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Post by omega on Apr 25, 2016 21:51:47 GMT
I'm not even sure it's a linear progression with people at various points along the way, I expect people to just have different interpretations that make a complex web of what is or is not a spoiler based on when, what, where and by whom the information is disclosed and the persons personal preferences. This is what I think we need clear rules, ones that can be understood and followed, regardless of anyone's personal ideas and preferences. I don't think it's possible to have rules that will satisfy everyone. And I'm totally against rules that would delineate a spoiler by how old a story is and/or how long the story has been out there and discussed. Sorry, that doesn't pass the spoiler/not spoiler test for me. That's why I'm advocating for just using common sense, as I've stated in numerous posts in this thread. If it's a major plot point, use spoiler tags, whether the story is 50 years old or 5 minutes old. For me a good rule of thumb is if there's a twist that the changes how you view the whole narrative, then it's a spoiler and it changes the approach a new listener may go into the story with. There's a rather brilliant twist in The Widow's Assassin that is best discovered while listening to the story itself. Should the fact that there is a twist in itself be a spoiler?
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Post by Ela on Apr 25, 2016 21:55:59 GMT
I like your rule of thumb, omega. And yes, a twist of the type you describe should be a spoiler. It's something that changes the surprise, the unexpected (or unsuspected) aspect of the story.
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Post by omega on Apr 25, 2016 22:05:18 GMT
I also believe that it's fine to mention characters in an ambiguous context, as long as that character appears in the cast list for the story on the product page. It's perfectly fine to say Colin Baker has an amazing role in Peri and the Piscon Paradox, but to go into detail is deep spoiler territory. Stories like The Pirates and Project: Lazarus have a great effect on Evelyn, but I'll leave it to you to find out why and how (do listen, they're very cheap and fantastic quality).
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Post by bobod on Apr 29, 2016 9:14:10 GMT
Should the fact that there is a twist in itself be a spoiler? I find it infuriating when someone says "oh you'll love that - it's got a great twist"... resulting in my spending the duration waiting on said twist instead of it coming out the blue. ETA JB said this but I can't get the quotes to reflect that - it suggests Ela did. Ela edit: Fixed it for you, bobod.
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Post by omega on Apr 29, 2016 10:05:14 GMT
I find it infuriating when someone says "oh you'll love that - it's got a great twist"... resulting in my spending the duration waiting on said twist instead of it coming out the blue. You do sometimes have to assume there's a twist when it's a simplistic promotional synopsis (that gives the smallest idea of plot, setting and character or are deliberately vague) and/or a longer run time. Especially with a two hour story, or it risks becoming boring for the lack of a twist to maintain the pace of the story, and there are examples of this with stories like Something Inside. With the latest Main Range, And You Will Obey Me, the synopsis only tells you that the Master is on Earth and may or may not be dead (it should be obvious to everyone what state he's in). You've got to expect twists regarding how he got into that situation and the events that follow. If a premise is interesting enough a story can run on just that, no twists in the tale or shock reveals. Many of the stories in the Doctor Who anthology releases or Short Trips don't have significant twists in the narrative, but the half hour run time only really affords exploration of one main idea and set of characters. It's being well aware of the format that can spoil the anticipation of a big twist. You know that around the twenty-five minute, half hour mark someone will be in danger or the tension will ramp up because the episode or story is ending soon. If it's the final episode and things aren't wrapping up by the last ten minutes that it'll be continued in the next release.
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Post by bobod on Apr 29, 2016 10:26:35 GMT
I think that's different to a big capital-letters *TWIST*, as opposed to the fact any plot will have developments and surprises.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on May 1, 2016 16:54:01 GMT
After reviewing ALOT of stuff...
I've really tried to remain as spoiler free as possible.
Sorry if I've ever failed.
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