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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 8, 2016 16:26:01 GMT
Over the years, "Doctor Who" has probably had more written about the details of its production than any other TV show. But are there things we still don't know? (Yes, aside from what the missing episodes looked like, and precisely what went on in Cardiff in that first production block)
Because... I was thinking, and something just popped into my mind. Not technically a "Doctor Who" thing, but what precisely were the plans back in the 1990s for the Daleks to appear in "Red Dwarf VII"? It's long been asserted that they were going to appear, and that the rights were acquired, but it all fell through (except for their cameo on "Red Dwarf Night"). Was it issues with the telemovie, or some hangover from "The Dark Dimension", or did they just not come up with a storyline?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 8, 2016 18:20:13 GMT
I'd love to know what was planned for the cancelled Eternity Clock releases. I actually enjoyed The Eternity Clock on the PS3 and would happily have played two more releases so it was a shame they decided to cancel the remaining games in the series. Here's hoping the Doctor's planned appearance in The LEGO Movie 2 doesn't fall through otherwise that would be something else where I'd be interested in what they had planned.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 9, 2016 15:35:45 GMT
Some Googling around suggests that the Daleks were dropped from Red Dwarf because when the BBC granted permission to use them, they never mentioned that Terry Nation would also have to be involved, and then he died.
But I also turned up a rumour from 1997 that the follow-up to the BBC's unspectacular "Invasion Earth" (that thing with the extra-dimensional aliens in Scotland) would have been a BBC/Sci-Fi Channel collaboration on a "Doctor Who" revival.
Then there's the Millennium Night live appearance from the stars of Doctor Who stymied by their refusal to work on the biggest New Year's of their lives (in particular, the Scottish Sylvester McCoy didn't want to give up Hogmany) - not to mention the cruel rumour that somebody at the BBC also raised enquiries with the agents of Hartnell, Troughton and Pertwee.
Would "Doctor Who 2000" have been much different from the series RTD eventually got made? What about the movie that put the kybosh on it?
Did Bill Baggs get as far as script before his minisodes for South Today (with Alan Cumming as the Doctor) were cancelled when RTD's series was greenlit?
In fact, the Wilderness Years up to and including the TVM are pretty well documented, but I don't think anybody's taken such a close look at the period covering the TVM till, say, "Scream of the Shalka".
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 9, 2016 15:49:13 GMT
I'm still awaiting Blakes Seven to meet the Daleks.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 9, 2016 16:14:32 GMT
I'm still awaiting Blakes Seven to meet the Daleks. There's not so much of a mystery as to what the plans were, here, though (although it's interesting that somebody has presumably resisted a "Doctor Who"/"Blake's 7" crossover by Big Finish)
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Post by aztec on Apr 9, 2016 17:31:48 GMT
Some of these may have been explored in the books, audios etc, but the show hasn't addressed them as far as I know:
IS the Doctor Half Human if he is(n't) then who are his parents?, Who was Susan's mother? Was Delgrado the 13th Master?, if he was then who were the previous 12? Who or What broke the tardis chameleon circuit? How do Daleks build such complex ships and buildings if their shells mostly have plungers for tools?
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Post by elkawho on Apr 9, 2016 22:10:05 GMT
Some of these may have been explored in the books, audios etc, but the show hasn't addressed them as far as I know: IS the Doctor Half Human if he is(n't) then who are his parents?, Who was Susan's mother? Was Delgrado the 13th Master?, if he was then who were the previous 12? Who or What broke the tardis chameleon circuit? How do Daleks build such complex ships and buildings if their shells mostly have plungers for tools? That last one is a question for the ages. (The most likely answer is slaves.)
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 9, 2016 23:20:32 GMT
The biggest one is probably "did Williiam Hartnell play the oft-mentioned character in "Feast of Steven" who ever says the Doctor looks like". The DWM comic suggests that the Doctor broke the chameleon circuit, and on e story suggests the TARDIS chooses to look like a police box, every single time.
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Post by jasonward on Apr 10, 2016 0:57:54 GMT
But I also turned up a rumour from 1997 that the follow-up to the BBC's unspectacular "Invasion Earth" (that thing with the extra-dimensional aliens in Scotland) would have been a BBC/Sci-Fi Channel collaboration on a "Doctor Who" revival. From memory I really enjoyed that series.
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Post by Hieronymus on Apr 10, 2016 6:00:22 GMT
But I also turned up a rumour from 1997 that the follow-up to the BBC's unspectacular "Invasion Earth" (that thing with the extra-dimensional aliens in Scotland) would have been a BBC/Sci-Fi Channel collaboration on a "Doctor Who" revival. From memory I really enjoyed that series. I own the series on DVD. Highly imaginative and daring for sci-fi on television to do something so high-concept.
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Post by Hieronymus on Apr 10, 2016 6:03:11 GMT
I wish we knew more about Robert Holmes' unfinished stories, especially:
* his plans for pairing the Rani with the Autons * the finale for Trial of a Time Lord
There were clues laid throughout the first three stories in the season, but with the shift in writers, rights issues, and such, none of those clues were followed up in the Ultimate Foe.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 10, 2016 12:49:26 GMT
But I also turned up a rumour from 1997 that the follow-up to the BBC's unspectacular "Invasion Earth" (that thing with the extra-dimensional aliens in Scotland) would have been a BBC/Sci-Fi Channel collaboration on a "Doctor Who" revival. That's interesting. I wonder what it would have turned out like?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 13:09:32 GMT
* the finale for Trial of a Time Lord There were clues laid throughout the first three stories in the season, but with the shift in writers, rights issues, and such, none of those clues were followed up in the Ultimate Foe. The original script got leaked online at some stage. From memory, Popplewick lived up to his bureaucratic modus operandi and was "just a shadow" that the Doctor had mistaken for the Valeyard, the Master had no desire to kill the Doctor because he knew that he and his future self would wipe each other out, the Doctor's final words on screen would have been: "You don't deserve to live," and it would have ended on a cliffhanger with him and his alter ego trapped in a time rent destined to fight and struggle forever. In a change from the final story, the main villain of the piece was definitely the Master who'd manoeuvred everyone into position and may have been responsible for the whole trial in the first place. I suspect that had it gone ahead and Who had by some miracle survived, we would have had Sylvester McCoy sorting out the aftermath of the trial on Gallifrey. You could do a whole story set around who exactly the Sleepers hidden away on Ravelox were, what other potential futures the Doctor had seen before he chose Terror of the Vervoids, etc.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jul 31, 2016 11:41:38 GMT
Yes, I know it's terribly bad form to bump an old thread, but I've got some more. 1) Can anybody evidence the perennial rumours that Disney wanted to buy the storyline to "The Abominable Snowmen", or indeed the entire show? 2) Can anybody evidence the perennial rumours about attempts to revive the show post-1989 with cartoons? 3) According to Mark Ayres, Kevin Davies worked on a Dalek cartoon in the mid-1980s (see web.archive.org/web/20140721062515fw_/http://markayres.rwsprojects.co.uk/Myths.htm). Does this material still exist? 4) What was supposed to have been the follow-up to "The Ghosts of N-Space"? On the Big Finish forum somebody said Jon Pertwee was pushing for Trevor Martin to be the Master, but I recall rumours that Eric Saward was going to replace Barry Letts and bring in Tom Baker to do "Genesis of the Cybermen"
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Post by shutupbanks on Aug 1, 2016 1:24:00 GMT
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Post by omega on Aug 1, 2016 3:05:27 GMT
The biggest one is probably "did Williiam Hartnell play the oft-mentioned character in "Feast of Steven" who ever says the Doctor looks like". The DWM comic suggests that the Doctor broke the chameleon circuit, and on e story suggests the TARDIS chooses to look like a police box, every single time. Are you referring to Hunters of the Burning Stone from the 50th anniversary? That's a great story. In the New Adventures Alternate Universe arc the Seventh Doctor ends up with the TARDIS belonging to an alternate Third Doctor who died during The Silurians, which includes a functioning Chameleon Circuit. At the end of the last book in the arc, No Future, he takes a hammer to the circuit after making it a Police Box again, so clearly he prefers that external appearance. In Journey's End when Donna becomes the DoctorDonna she begins to explain how to fix the circuit, indicating the Tenth Doctor possesses that knowledge as well. In fact, the TARDIS changes it's external appearance slightly in The Eleventh Hour, suggesting that she also likes the Police Box shape, or that while in self-repair mode during The Eleventh Hour after Ten's rather violent regeneration the circuit was also repaired.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 1, 2016 4:07:46 GMT
The biggest one is probably "did Williiam Hartnell play the oft-mentioned character in "Feast of Steven" who ever says the Doctor looks like". The DWM comic suggests that the Doctor broke the chameleon circuit, and on e story suggests the TARDIS chooses to look like a police box, every single time. Are you referring to Hunters of the Burning Stone from the 50th anniversary? That's a great story. In the New Adventures Alternate Universe arc the Seventh Doctor ends up with the TARDIS belonging to an alternate Third Doctor who died during The Silurians, which includes a functioning Chameleon Circuit. At the end of the last book in the arc, No Future, he takes a hammer to the circuit after making it a Police Box again, so clearly he prefers that external appearance. In Journey's End when Donna becomes the DoctorDonna she begins to explain how to fix the circuit, indicating the Tenth Doctor possesses that knowledge as well. In fact, the TARDIS changes it's external appearance slightly in The Eleventh Hour, suggesting that she also likes the Police Box shape, or that while in self-repair mode during The Eleventh Hour after Ten's rather violent regeneration the circuit was also repaired. Isn't it the eleventh Doctor who describes materialisation and ends with the TARDIS scanning the local area for a suitable disguise and then deciding to look like a police box? maybe the TARDIS simply likes looking like a police box, and even with a now working chameleon circuit chooses the Police Box (part of the whole "gives hope" to the universe bit).
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Post by fitzoliverj on Aug 1, 2016 16:26:19 GMT
I remember this. Hideous. Thing is, I've seen it claimed that Nelvana were pitching to the BBC on spec, or that somebody was pitching to Nelvana, or it was a hoax (somewhere along the line). More things I'd like to know about - Paul McGann was supposed to do two telemovies, and Philip Segal promised the follow-up would be in space. What would it have been? And then there's the Boxtree novels from the 1990s that never happened (I mentioned this elsewhere on the forum recently).
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 30, 2016 13:42:55 GMT
1) What would've Moffat's original Dalek story for S3 been like before things changed and he wrote Blink? 2) Who is Gus? 3) What other novels had Davies wanted to adapt, aside from Highest Science?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Oct 30, 2016 15:02:42 GMT
I do hope we get that Answer either in this series or in his final xmas special
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