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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 0:55:39 GMT
I felt that there could have been a 6B until The Black Hole, solved the Two Doctors thing, but I do think the CIA, did maybe have 2 do a few missions for them and maybe Five Doctors fits in there. If not then oh well. I've got Bob Holmes's novelisation for The Two Doctors with its little prologue: Which I'm pretty much more than happy with. There's also whether or not to consider World Game and that extended Second Doctor sequence in Players, which was re-released three years ago. Taking The Black Hole as writ is not without its casualties story-wise. I guess it would ultimately depend on which you prefer more. I rather liked Players, it felt like a 1980s Sixth Doctor story recovered from a time capsule and the World Game was its own little bundle of fun. In regards to Company of friends for 8, i tended to think that no matter what, in some universe he always traveled with certain companions. So thats how Fitz ,Anji and Sam (since she's mentioned in the sleeve notes for Fitz) are part of what i term the Prime Continuity Hmm, makes sense to me. The rather excellent DWM comics do get shunted off to the side and forgotten quite a bit though, despite a reference to Destrii who is from the latter days of the magazine right before the revival came to life. |
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 16, 2016 4:42:10 GMT
I felt that there could have been a 6B until The Black Hole, solved the Two Doctors thing, but I do think the CIA, did maybe have 2 do a few missions for them and maybe Five Doctors fits in there. If not then oh well. I've got Bob Holmes's novelisation for The Two Doctors with its little prologue: Which I'm pretty much more than happy with. There's also whether or not to consider World Game and that extended Second Doctor sequence in Players, which was re-released three years ago. Taking The Black Hole as writ is not without its casualties story-wise. I guess it would ultimately depend on which you prefer more. I rather liked Players, it felt like a 1980s Sixth Doctor story recovered from a time capsule and the World Game was its own little bundle of fun. In regards to Company of friends for 8, i tended to think that no matter what, in some universe he always traveled with certain companions. So thats how Fitz ,Anji and Sam (since she's mentioned in the sleeve notes for Fitz) are part of what i term the Prime Continuity Hmm, makes sense to me. The rather excellent DWM comics do get shunted off to the side and forgotten quite a bit though, despite a reference to Destrii who is from the latter days of the magazine right before the revival came to life. Thanks to The Last Adventure and Spiral Scratch, we can be pretty sure that BF doesn't take place in the same continuity as the novels (except for those that have been adapted). Therefore, 6B exists in the novel continuity, but not the BF continuity. |
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Post by shutupbanks on Apr 16, 2016 7:56:22 GMT
In regards to The Five Doctors, the continuity bothered me until I thought, "Maybe Three told the Brigadier about what happened and the Brig told Two about it during the walk in the garden at UNIT HQ or while they were going to the Tower." It makes no sense to invent a long, convoluted explanation when a simple one - that would explain why ghost-Jamie doesn't say, "But I'm from the time after you were put on trial, so I DO remember who the Brig is."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 13:04:38 GMT
Hmm, makes sense to me. The rather excellent DWM comics do get shunted off to the side and forgotten quite a bit though, despite a reference to Destrii who is from the latter days of the magazine right before the revival came to life. Thanks to The Last Adventure and Spiral Scratch, we can be pretty sure that BF doesn't take place in the same continuity as the novels (except for those that have been adapted). Therefore, 6B exists in the novel continuity, but not the BF continuity. What about Helicon Prime, where does that fit in? During the events of The Black Hole? In regards to The Five Doctors, the continuity bothered me until I thought, "Maybe Three told the Brigadier about what happened and the Brig told Two about it during the walk in the garden at UNIT HQ or while they were going to the Tower." It makes no sense to invent a long, convoluted explanation when a simple one - that would explain why ghost-Jamie doesn't say, "But I'm from the time after you were put on trial, so I DO remember who the Brig is." Using the 6b theory, The Five Doctors could easily be from a time after the Time Lords had caught up with him and snatched away Jamie and Zoe. I do like that added layer of tragedy, he was able to bring them back only to lose them once again. But if we're not using 6b, then what does the Doctor mean by not "breaking the laws of time, but [...] bending them a little," and where are his companions? It has to be after The Invasion because the Second Doctor knows his rank immediately upon stepping through the door and he remembers his successor as well. |
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Post by constonks on Apr 16, 2016 13:36:14 GMT
I don't think I've made any secret that my firm opinion that every bit of Doctor Who is just as canon as every other bit. I have textual reasons for this, but I won't go too deep into them here.
The point is, it happens in World Game so it happened. As for The Black Hole, either the Monk interfered with established time and sent the Doc there a little too early or Jamie and the Doctor didn't experience The Two Doctors during The Black Hole at all.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 16, 2016 14:01:42 GMT
In regards to Company of friends for 8, i tended to think that no matter what, in some universe he always traveled with certain companions. So thats how Fitz ,Anji and Sam (since she's mentioned in the sleeve notes for Fitz) are part of what i term the Prime Continuity Hmm, makes sense to me. The rather excellent DWM comics do get shunted off to the side and forgotten quite a bit though, despite a reference to Destrii who is from the latter days of the magazine right before the revival came to life. I've always considered the DWM stories from 8 onwards as part of the Prime continuity for me, since the comics are unaffected by BF stories |
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 16, 2016 14:03:00 GMT
I felt that there could have been a 6B until The Black Hole, solved the Two Doctors thing, but I do think the CIA, did maybe have 2 do a few missions for them and maybe Five Doctors fits in there. If not then oh well. I've got Bob Holmes's novelisation for The Two Doctors with its little prologue: Which I'm pretty much more than happy with. There's also whether or not to consider World Game and that extended Second Doctor sequence in Players, which was re-released three years ago. Taking The Black Hole as writ is not without its casualties story-wise. I guess it would ultimately depend on which you prefer more. I rather liked Players, it felt like a 1980s Sixth Doctor story recovered from a time capsule and the World Game was its own little bundle of fun. I did enjoy Players too. They could easily work as Season 6b, since they are primarily just 2nd by himself, so minus little edits, if adapted then it could still work more me. Its all about different continuities for me lol |
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 16, 2016 15:43:18 GMT
Thanks to The Last Adventure and Spiral Scratch, we can be pretty sure that BF doesn't take place in the same continuity as the novels (except for those that have been adapted). Therefore, 6B exists in the novel continuity, but not the BF continuity. What about Helicon Prime, where does that fit in? During the events of The Black Hole? Its been a while since I listened to it, but wasn't the only 6B connection that Victoria was away studying graphology? In that case, yeah, it takes place during The Black Hole. |
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Post by omega on Apr 16, 2016 22:36:15 GMT
What about Helicon Prime, where does that fit in? During the events of The Black Hole? Its been a while since I listened to it, but wasn't the only 6B connection that Victoria was away studying graphology? In that case, yeah, it takes place during The Black Hole. But Jamie doesn't know if the Doctor can accurately pilot the TARDIS, believing the arrival on Helicon Prime to be an accident (as per usual). The Doctor clearly knew they would land there, and subtly influenced events to meet his own goals Can we just accept we all have different headcanon? I won't enforce 6B onto you if you won't force us to believe it isn't a thing. After all this: isn't very good for an interesting discussion. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 0:22:01 GMT
Its been a while since I listened to it, but wasn't the only 6B connection that Victoria was away studying graphology? In that case, yeah, it takes place during The Black Hole. But Jamie doesn't know if the Doctor can accurately pilot the TARDIS, believing the arrival on Helicon Prime to be an accident (as per usual). The Doctor clearly knew they would land there, and subtly influenced events to meet his own goals Can we just accept we all have different headcanon? I won't enforce 6B onto you if you won't force us to believe it isn't a thing. After all this: isn't very good for an interesting discussion. Ah, yes, the dangers of poor spelling. One extra letter and you have a terrible mess on your hands. I've never seen much sense in making the universe smaller myself. For the sake of discourse, I've managed to track down something from the NA Birthright which I thought was interesting. This is Margaret Waterfield, Victoria's aunt: At first, this appears to contradict World Game where the Doctor suggests to the Time Lords to bring back Jamie and implant a false memory of Victoria. However, I think that they plucked her out of time and stuck her in Austria in order to provide the Doctor a sound alibi, once Jamie got a little too suspicious about them possibly abandoning her. He was awfully fond of Victoria after all. There's also the matter of the Second Doctor's recorder turning up in the wood-panelled console room from The Masque of Mandragora. Speculating again, I think after a few missions the Doctor started discretely tinkering within another section of the TARDIS in an attempt to throw off the ever-present gaze of the CIA. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 7:13:48 GMT
I like the theory that the Doctor's timeline has been messed with. Season 6b is like the Eighth Doctor. Everything happened, but not everything is compatible because the timeline has been rewritten.
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Post by aztec on Apr 17, 2016 14:21:10 GMT
I vaguely recall Nicholas Briggs mentioning in either vortex or a podcast that he was interested in the idea of adapting the post War Games 2nd Doctor comics from the 60's...though that might be my memory playing tricks on me...
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Post by doctorkernow on May 3, 2016 19:55:51 GMT
Hello again. Ow my brain hurts! It doesn't help that I haven't read Spiral Scratch or heard The Black Hole. Generally I find continuity a useful thing but not the be all and end all. Doctor Who exists in several different media. All have their good and bad points.
It is fun to read attempts to gather Who into one coherent storyline. Lance Parkin's A History of the Universes used to be a fascinating read; mainly because it included the Missing and New Adventures which I hadn't read yet.
I also liked Eyespider's continuity which hilariously tries to include absolutely everything. Such people must be applauded for their exhastive research. However, us lesser mortals while we would love new Troughton adventures, I really enjoyed Lords of the Red Planet, for me the War Games saw the end of Troughton's Doctor.
Much as I love work of Robert Holmes, I found the Two Doctors on TV even with the return of Doctor Two and Jamie, a waste of the talents involved. The novel was better as you saw the author's intentions more clearly realised. However, I feel this was one of many occasions where Dr. Who has delved into its past that just did not work for me.
6B or not 6B? Not for me...
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