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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 18:39:40 GMT
Hey everyone,
I thought this might be an intresting topic for conversation: what do we think of Season 6B as a concept? Do you think it adds a more tragic layer to The Second Doctor era or dulls the edge off that ending?
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Post by relativetime on Apr 11, 2016 20:08:08 GMT
Hard to say... I don't have really any experience with the supposed Season 6B stories, beyond the Second Doctor's appearances in The Two Doctors and The Five Doctors, two stories that are supposedly set in Season 6B. I like the idea of a Season 6B overall. It adds some extra mileage for this incarnation that he doesn't have on TV, which is very close-knit without many holes for extra off screen stories. For Big Finish, that would mean we'd have the opportunity for unseen companions, more daring storylines that aren't restricted by the Second Doctor's televised episodes.
On the other hand, The Black Hole has essentially closed up that possibility. That isn't to say there can't BE a Season 6B but it certainly has lost some of legitimacy as of late. And I do think it has somewhat dulled the tragic ending for the Second Doctor, although I personally think that's counterbalanced by the creative wealth a Season 6B offers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 20:30:52 GMT
I like the idea, and Black Hole does nothing to rule it out (you just don't need it to explain the framing sequences of Two Doctors anymore)
I'd especially like to here the third yeti story, where Jamie leaves to become laird of the macrimmons.
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 11, 2016 20:50:02 GMT
I hate Season 6B. The War Games is one of the best episodes of the entire show, and it has a perfect ending. Unwiping Jamie's memory and letting the Doctor remain in his current body (right after the Time Lords tell him the time has come for him to change his appearance) just ruins that ending. There's still plenty of space for new Second Doctor stories in the existing eras. If you really want one with just Two and Jamie, then you can set it during the Black Hole. There probably isn't any space for a story where Two doesn't have any companions, but I'm not sure why anyone would want Two without Jamie anyway.
Season 6B exists to explain away continuity errors in The Two Doctors. Now that The Black Hole closes those plot holes, there is really no reason to have 6B.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 21:11:20 GMT
I've got no issue with it. Some of the best Doctor Who comics ever are the 2nd Doctor post-trial. He ends up something of a celebrity on Earth before sinister scarecrows (decades before Paul Cornell) intervene and he ends up having to face the music.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 21:55:37 GMT
I have never believed in the theory of 6B, but if it's an idea that works for others, fine... just like religion people are free to believe in whatever they want to. In fact, Doctor Who is a broad church itself! The War Games was a good enough endng to the Second Doctor's era as far as I am concerned, and The Two Doctors had some continuity errors. (Which is perfectly natural for a TV show produced by many different peole over various decades.) So in my world it doesn't all have to fit together.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 22:50:04 GMT
I have never believed in the theory of 6B, but if it's an idea that works for others, fine... just like religion people are free to believe in whatever they want to. In fact, Doctor Who is a broad church itself! The War Games was a good enough endng to the Second Doctor's era as far as I am concerned, and The Two Doctors had some continuity errors. (Which is perfectly natural for a TV show produced by many different peole over various decades.) So in my world it doesn't all have to fit together. I'm not sure if their contiunty errors as much as Robert Holmes assumed that going over the specifics of the Second Doctor era would be an unnecessary weight on the narrative to Doctor Who's then current audience (everyone in the audience knows that The Doctor is a Time Lord, etc) and confusing, though. He might not have been privy to the details of The Five Doctors, either.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 12, 2016 0:06:29 GMT
More Troughton the better.
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 12, 2016 1:36:51 GMT
I have never believed in the theory of 6B, but if it's an idea that works for others, fine... just like religion people are free to believe in whatever they want to. In fact, Doctor Who is a broad church itself! The War Games was a good enough endng to the Second Doctor's era as far as I am concerned, and The Two Doctors had some continuity errors. (Which is perfectly natural for a TV show produced by many different peole over various decades.) So in my world it doesn't all have to fit together. I'm not sure if their contiunty errors as much as Robert Holmes assumed that going over the specifics of the Second Doctor era would be an unnecessary weight on the narrative to Doctor Who's then current audience (everyone in the audience knows that The Doctor is a Time Lord, etc) and confusing, though. He might not have been privy to the details of The Five Doctors, either. It wouldn't have been that hard to give Two and Jamie a set up that didn't involve them being on a mission for the Time Lords though.
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Post by omega on Apr 12, 2016 1:43:30 GMT
I think it's an interesting concept. We know that the Second Doctor has a manipulative streak, he regularly inveigles himself into wherever he and his companions have found themselves. So imagine if he knows where he'll end up and the people who can aid his cause. The CC Helicon Prime heavily implies a 6B setting, with the Second Doctor behaving somewhat like the Seventh.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2016 2:27:08 GMT
I have never believed in the theory of 6B, but if it's an idea that works for others, fine... just like religion people are free to believe in whatever they want to. In fact, Doctor Who is a broad church itself! The War Games was a good enough endng to the Second Doctor's era as far as I am concerned, and The Two Doctors had some continuity errors. (Which is perfectly natural for a TV show produced by many different peole over various decades.) So in my world it doesn't all have to fit together. I'm not sure if their contiunty errors as much as Robert Holmes assumed that going over the specifics of the Second Doctor era would be an unnecessary weight on the narrative to Doctor Who's then current audience (everyone in the audience knows that The Doctor is a Time Lord, etc) and confusing, though. He might not have been privy to the details of The Five Doctors, either. Apparently, Holmes was of the opinion that the Time Lords were deliberately going back and altering the Doctor's personal history for their own ends. While I don't think I buy that, Season 6b leaves a lot of room to let the mind wander this, that and the other way. It may not have been John Dorney's intention to have Second Chances as a 6b story, but I think it fits rather snugly in the artificial gap. In a bit of pure head-canon, I like to think that the Doctor requested a second assistant other than Jamie to help mop up the after effects of The Three Doctors and swooped back to grab Zoe. Plus, if you know your Who there's a lot of throwaway references you can chuck in there such as the portrait of the Second Doctor on Draconia, a visit to Cambodia, some time spent on Delphon, the establishment of a provisional government after a Cyber-invasion on Planet 14, the wonderous sight of the Moving Mines of Korlano, the Doctor learning how to vortex-walk from a race of mystics, and many others. That's only off-the-cuff remarks too, the metatext in The Wheel of Ice refers to the Time Lords by name and foreshadows the Doctor's extended presence on Earth. The Glorious Revolution feels almost like a trial run for Jamie's usefulness as an assistant, so I've stuck it in the gap as well. This is purely speculation, but I like to think that the Doctor spent a great deal of time with Jamie (and later quite possibly Victoria, judging from Birthright) before The Three Doctors happened, the Time Lords' influence on him was weakened and through an outside source (there's a short story floating out there somewhere that says Avon re-rigged the TARDIS computer) went AWOL. The Time Lords snatched away his companions and then caught up to him, exiling him to Earth. It's great fun.
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Post by acousticwolf on Apr 12, 2016 7:47:19 GMT
Personally, I don't need (or want) a Season 6b. War Games was a fitting end to two's reign.
Cheers
Tony
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Apr 12, 2016 12:34:10 GMT
But.... 6b... let's the master get captured
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Post by Star Platinum on Apr 12, 2016 15:44:32 GMT
It's an ok idea, but I don't think it's been used very well, The only person to use the setting to any degree of success in my opinion was Dicks during world game.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 12, 2016 19:13:36 GMT
I think it helps explain The Five Doctors and The Two Doctors, so my head canon is that season 6B happened.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 12, 2016 19:15:29 GMT
I have never believed in the theory of 6B, but if it's an idea that works for others, fine... just like religion people are free to believe in whatever they want to. In fact, Doctor Who is a broad church itself! The War Games was a good enough endng to the Second Doctor's era as far as I am concerned, and The Two Doctors had some continuity errors. (Which is perfectly natural for a TV show produced by many different peole over various decades.) So in my world it doesn't all have to fit together. It certainly will be soon!
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 12, 2016 19:57:55 GMT
I think it helps explain The Five Doctors and The Two Doctors, so my head canon is that season 6B happened. Well, Big Finish has given us a seperate explanation for the Two Doctors, and the Five Doctors already works apart from one line that was probably a continuity error.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 7:11:12 GMT
I think it helps explain The Five Doctors and The Two Doctors, so my head canon is that season 6B happened. Well, Big Finish has given us a seperate explanation for the Two Doctors, and the Five Doctors already works apart from one line that was probably a continuity error. But we're Doctor Who fans. We need to construct an entire extra season of continuity to correct that one line. Sometimes I feel a bit like Hindle. "it's not a continuity error, this is real, real life doesn't have continuity errors" as I lovingly stroke my DVD collection.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 9:11:36 GMT
I think it helps explain The Five Doctors and The Two Doctors, so my head canon is that season 6B happened. Well, Big Finish has given us a separate explanation for the Two Doctors, and the Five Doctors already works apart from one line that was probably a continuity error. True, but explanations have a habit of being overwritten in Doctor Who. Malcolm Hulke and Terrance Dicks explained away the Doctor's reasons for leaving Gallifrey in The War Games, however since then his origins have been overwritten, not once, twice, but thrice over by Eric Saward, Marc Platt and Steven Moffat, respectively. Even Big Finish isn't immune to this, The Company of Friends rewrote Zagreus's multiverse argument for the Eighth Doctor's adventures within their own canon of stories and, more broadly, the TV Comics adventures of Dr. Who exist both within the scope of the Land of Fiction (see Head Games) and the Doctor's own dreams (see The Land of Happy Endings). When it comes to Who, the canon is pretty much what you make of it.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 13, 2016 14:19:42 GMT
I felt that there could have been a 6B until The Black Hole, solved the Two Doctors thing, but I do think the CIA, did maybe have 2 do a few missions for them and maybe Five Doctors fits in there. If not then oh well.
In regards to Company of friends for 8, i tended to think that no matter what, in some universe he always traveled with certain companions. So thats how Fitz ,Anji and Sam (since shes mentioned in the sleeve notes for Fitz) are part of what i term the Prime Continuity
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