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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 0:06:19 GMT
Hey everyone,
I thought this might be an intresting little exercise for us all: what would change in the telling if classic Who tales (as well as the execution of the original Doctors and companions) were told now in the twenty-first century?
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Post by shutupbanks on May 9, 2016 5:29:56 GMT
The obvious one would be the use of mobile phones in earth-based stories placing characters in less danger due to being able to be warned in time. Another would be the internet allowing quicker research/ sharing of information - imagine the plot of The War Machines or The Green Death with WOTAN and BOSS being able to use the net. The Seeds Of Doom would probably have a much more serious ecological subtext, as would the aforementioned Green Death. The Peladon stories would possibly be more about the exploitation of resources and damage to the environment on Peladon. Given the rise in awareness of indigenous populations, Frontier In Space and The Mutants would have slightly different plots (possibly). The idea of the Cybermen would probably change: if I was writing them I'd have them based around some sort of story about the Singularity and the doing away with "meat suits" (rather like the Missy/ Cybermen story in Series 8) - there might be a Stephen Hawking type of character who welcomes the idea of doing away with the body (rather like Mr Lumic in Age Of Steel/ Rise Of The Cyberman).
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Post by omega on May 9, 2016 5:38:26 GMT
Vengeance on Varos would probably involve more talent contests, just as tortorous as the image of a giant fly or old men in nappies. It's wound up being a scary portent of the future we're presently living, right down to the shirtless male character (that must have been the first story to have that level of gratuitous nudity, far more overt than Joe, Leela and Peri's limited wardrobes).
Peri's fate at the end of Mindwarp would be left deliberately ambigious, of only to get the fanboys in a tizzy.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 9, 2016 8:57:33 GMT
We'd be meeting everyone's family. We'd see the disintergration of Lethbridge-Stewart's marriage and he'd probably hit the bottle until some tough love from the Doctor. Everyone would be slapping the Doctor. jago and Litefoot would be lovers (or at the very least, the subtext of the J&L series of George buttering his bread on the other side would be text).
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 10:04:23 GMT
Vengeance on Varos would probably involve more talent contests, just as tortorous as the image of a giant fly or old men in nappies. :Shivers: I don't really remember Jondar being overally sexualised, though and I'm not sure if it's really a good comparsion. His nudity had more to do with his humilation and the way Varos treats the contesents, then anything sexual if memory serves. He is also meant to be a handsome young hero, as well and is shot as such, defiant and strong. Men's bodies aren't typically sexualised in the same way as women's, either. Peri and Leela defiently suffer from the male gaze completly uncriticised and I would say that's far more insidious.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 10:25:31 GMT
Given the rise in awareness of indigenous populations, Frontier In Space and The Mutants would have slightly different plots (possibly). You're thinking Colony in Space. Frontier was the one with the Draconians. Mind you considering the demise of the Western genre in general, it's more likely that Colony would be done more towards the aesthete of something like Firefly than anything else. They'd go to great pains to demonstrate the sophistication of the aboriginal population's cultural values and the fact that it was the doomsday weapon that was preventing the colonist's crops from growing would tie in more heavily with how the humans ruined Earth on their way out. IMC seems ageless as an adversary though and the Master's appearance in the story would most likely have been much earlier on to prevent the plot from dragging on too much. We'd probably see the Master fire off the weapon at least once as well, if only to demonstrate what the stakes are. I don't think The Mutants would exist really, it's very much a story of its time. If I were to be cruel, I'd say that we'd spend a year of showing how cosmically special Adric is, how he comforted the Doctor in his youth on Gallifrey, taught him advanced mathematics and helped him steal away in the TARDIS at the very beginning of his adventures. He'd have died aboard the freighter, only for the Doctor to violate the Laws of Time and go back to save him from destruction. Given the quality of current stories, I'd say that any subtext you see in a story would be just forced into the foreground. The War Games would be trying to tell you that war is bad, The Ark in Space would be one Alien cliche after another with some gag about wi-fi thrown in, the UNIT troops would all be retrained by the Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy, the Gold Dalek trying to finish off Styles's peace conference would turn tail at the first sign of the Doctor turning up, the Ambassadors of Death would be just trying to find love, etc. On the plus side, padding would be a thing of the past.
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Post by shutupbanks on May 10, 2016 13:10:12 GMT
Given the rise in awareness of indigenous populations, Frontier In Space and The Mutants would have slightly different plots (possibly). You're thinking Colony in Space. Frontier was the one with the Draconians. Whoops, you're right. My bad.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 12, 2016 16:59:24 GMT
Doctor Who and The Silurians would be a deep exploration of immigration. The Time Meddler would show the Meddling Monk interfere with history in a more meaningful way, with lots of timey wimey stuff occurring.
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Post by icecreamdf on May 13, 2016 2:30:02 GMT
Jon Pertwee and Roger Delgado would have kissed. I'm joking. Sort of.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 3:32:13 GMT
Actually... Fun idea. Who would you cast for twenty-first century renditions of old classics?
The Seeds of Doom
David Tennant as the Doctor I put it down to Douglas Camfield, but the Doctor has a real aggressive edge to him this story. Screaming at Scorby when he takes away Sarah, smashing through the skylight, snapping his neck in the garden, etc... It all seems to fit the rather energetic David Tennant.
Catherine Tate as Donna Noble Judging from her performance in The Fires of Pompeii, Catherine Tate is very good at making dramatic situations real when she needs to, so I can definitely see her being the one to make being fed into the compost all that more horrific.
David Suchet as Harrison Chase I can just see him saying: "Yes... Yes, the plants must win..." Outside of his role as Poirot, he's capable of a cold, rational incisiveness that seems perfect for Chase. I could see him taking the character's distaste with humanity to a whole new level with his performance.
Michelle Forbes as Scorby Dave Bautista has the build, the menace and that general sense of thuggery which you would need for the part, but I thought it would be interesting to see what would happen if you gender-swapped the character. Considering her really nasty turn as Admiral Cain in Battlestar Galactica, I reckon she'd be able to pull off a gruff mercenary type. Someone who isn't afraid of kicking the Tenth Doctor to the curb.
Martin Freeman as Keeler Someone who seems simultaneously cowardly and sympathetic. Yep. Freeman works.
Katy Manning as Amelia Ducat I... Yeah, she just seems to fit. She has that old Bohemian quality and the touch of eccentricity which the part would need.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 13, 2016 12:20:29 GMT
Time And The Rani
The Doctor - Matt Smith
Seems well-suited for this story as he's the new series Doctor I could imagine not noticing Mel (or in this case, Clara) is actually the Rani dressed up.
Clara - Jenna Coleman
Whilst she doesn't scream like Mel, she's the most likely of the 11th Doctor's companions to end up split from the Doctor for majority of the story.
The Rani - Helena Bonham Carter
She could provide a more menacing Rani rather than one who appears quite camp when pretending to be the Doctor's companion.
Ikona - Eddie Redmayne
He has played rebellious characters who act as leaders before (Marius in Les Miserables) and has the dramatic potential to give some weight to an otherwise forgettable supporting character.
Faroon - Meryl Streep
Imagine her performance when Faroon finds out her daughter is dead. Also: her sacrifice played by Meryl Streep. She's an actor who has won a lot of awards and so would likely be able to help another forgettable character become otherwise.
Beyus - Sean Pertwee
He has the right look in my view, although obviously he'd look a lot different in that costume and makeup.
Sarn - Amanda Seyfried
Simply because she's a great actor and she has already played a daughter of a Meryl Streep character in Mamma Mia anyway.
Urak - Spencer Wilding Monster actor.
Lanisha - Josef Altin
He could pass as Eddie Redmayne's brother.
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Post by icecreamdf on May 13, 2016 12:42:28 GMT
Would Matt Smith also wear a wig and pretend to be David Tennant?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 13:38:46 GMT
Would Matt Smith also wear a wig and pretend to be David Tennant? It'd be sideburns and hair gel, surely?
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Post by barnabaslives on May 13, 2016 17:23:47 GMT
Tom Baker in sonic shades, and Nyssa, Adric and Turlough revisioned as Earth girls in their early twenties?
I think I'm glad that classic DW is what it is, thanks. :-)
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Post by icecreamdf on May 13, 2016 17:34:25 GMT
Tom Baker in sonic shades, and Nyssa, Adric and Turlough revisioned as Earth girls in their early twenties? I think I'm glad that classic DW is what it is, thanks. :-) Reenvisioning Nyssa and Adric as pretty much anything would be an improvement.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 20:58:13 GMT
Tom Baker in sonic shades, and Nyssa, Adric and Turlough revisioned as Earth girls in their early twenties? I think I'm glad that classic DW is what it is, thanks. :-) Reenvisioning Nyssa and Adric as pretty much anything would be an improvement. I can just see a reimagined Adric and Nyssa being like Fitz and Simmons from Agents of Shield.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 14, 2016 8:17:07 GMT
Would Matt Smith also wear a wig and pretend to be David Tennant? Yes, unfortunately in this parallel universe David Tennant was fired because Moffat wanted a new Doctor and David Tennant didn't want to go.
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Post by aztec on May 14, 2016 16:22:02 GMT
The War Games is probably my favourite Classic serial (of the ones I've seen so far) and I adore pretty much every minute of it, repetitive padding and escape sequences included (I actually think the B+W works in it's favour), even so I wonder how they'd handle a story of that scale in New Who, would the CGI and pacing ruin it? Or would it make a truly epic miniseries with someone like Racheal Talalay directing?
Obviously the ending wouldn't work with the timelords gone, but I could picture the 12th Doctor coming across a similar situation and being forced to call in help...
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Post by shutupbanks on May 15, 2016 2:29:03 GMT
The War Games is probably my favourite Classic serial (of the ones I've seen so far) and I adore pretty much every minute of it, repetitive padding and escape sequences included (I actually think the B+W works in it's favour), even so I wonder how they'd handle a story of that scale in New Who, would the CGI and pacing ruin it? Or would it make a truly epic miniseries with someone like Racheal Talalay directing? Obviously the ending wouldn't work with the timelords gone, but I could picture the 12th Doctor coming across a similar situation and being forced to call in help... It could be a season-long story: the doctor gets involved in some conflict with some unnamed aliens and narrowly escapes, with the TARDIS taking some "minor" damage. He lands during WW1, has an adventure, escapes to 1066, then to the War Of Independence, then to Thermopylae, possibly some others before he starts to wonder why he keeps winding up in conflicts on Earth. After some more minor damage in the third last episode, the cliffhanger is that he realises that the dematerialisation circuits of the TARDIS were the ones damaged in the first story and discovers that he has been manipulated by the War Lord. In the second last episode, he defeats the War Lord but damages the environment he and all the soldiers are in and is facing death. In the final episode he races to the TARDIS and summons the only people who can possibly help out... the Time Lords.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 11:20:12 GMT
The War Games is probably my favourite Classic serial (of the ones I've seen so far) and I adore pretty much every minute of it, repetitive padding and escape sequences included (I actually think the B+W works in it's favour), even so I wonder how they'd handle a story of that scale in New Who, would the CGI and pacing ruin it? Or would it make a truly epic miniseries with someone like Racheal Talalay directing? Obviously the ending wouldn't work with the timelords gone, but I could picture the 12th Doctor coming across a similar situation and being forced to call in help... It could be a season-long story: the doctor gets involved in some conflict with some unnamed aliens and narrowly escapes, with the TARDIS taking some "minor" damage. He lands during WW1, has an adventure, escapes to 1066, then to the War Of Independence, then to Thermopylae, possibly some others before he starts to wonder why he keeps winding up in conflicts on Earth. After some more minor damage in the third last episode, the cliffhanger is that he realises that the dematerialisation circuits of the TARDIS were the ones damaged in the first story and discovers that he has been manipulated by the War Lord. In the second last episode, he defeats the War Lord but damages the environment he and all the soldiers are in and is facing death. In the final episode he races to the TARDIS and summons the only people who can possibly help out... the Time Lords. Very nice concept, I'd enjoy seeing the War Lords attempting to track down and neutralise the Doctor in each time zone. I wonder who you could get onboard to play the War Chief? I'm very tempted to put Alexander Siddig in the role. It'd have to be someone Machiavellian, but with more than a hint of reason to them.
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