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Post by Whovitt on Jan 19, 2020 13:15:47 GMT
It's about time we got a Tosh episode with someone else I think she's the only character not to have teamed up with anyone in a Monthly Adventure so far. That or another Believe-type release, which I also wouldn't complain about!
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Post by cwm on Jan 19, 2020 13:29:31 GMT
The logo indicates Peter or Colin, and what we can see of the title would match "Scorched Earth". (Also seems to have been recorded the day after "Nightmare of the Daleks".)
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jan 19, 2020 13:34:45 GMT
Ah yes, The Perils of Ed / Nightmare of the Daleks
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Post by dannybl on Jan 20, 2020 13:41:26 GMT
Screengrab from the new Tom Baker interview on YouTube
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 14:33:51 GMT
I've not heard of a 4th Doctor story that was pitched and unmade with The Cybermen, that's an interesting development.
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Post by captainpugwash on Jan 20, 2020 14:43:07 GMT
I've not heard of a 4th Doctor story that was pitched and unmade with The Cybermen, that's an interesting development. The only one I know with that title is the original story for what later became Revenge of the Cybernen. The original script was completely abandoned. If it is this ( and I think it is) then there’s the potential for a recast Sarah and Harry. Though to be honest it’s been years since I read the script. I think it was published in dwb, and I can’t remember if Harry was in it or not.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 20, 2020 14:46:34 GMT
I've not heard of a 4th Doctor story that was pitched and unmade with The Cybermen, that's an interesting development. The original Gerry Davis version of Revenge was quite different to the Robert Holmes rewritten version that ended up on screen. It had human miners instead of Vogans. There was an article on it and a plot summary, a fairly detailed synopsis if memory serves, in an old DWB nearly 30 years ago (issue #97?). I threw out my old DWBs years ago so can no longer check to confirm.
So it could be that one, although it would require a recast of Sarah and Harry or else new companions, plus - and my memory could very well be playing up here - I think it would still have had enough in common with the televised version to present a difficulty having them both in the same continuity - 2 planets of gold?
EDIT: Could this be what Sadie Millar was doing in BF recently?
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Post by captainpugwash on Jan 20, 2020 14:55:08 GMT
I've not heard of a 4th Doctor story that was pitched and unmade with The Cybermen, that's an interesting development. The original Gerry Davis version of Revenge was quite different to the Robert Holmes rewritten version that ended up on screen. It had human miners instead of Vogans. There was an article on it and a plot summary, a fairly detailed synopsis if memory serves, in an old DWB nearly 30 years ago (issue #97?). I threw out my old DWBs years ago so can no longer check to confirm.
So it could be that one, although it would require a recast of Sarah and Harry or else new companions, plus - and my memory could very well be playing up here - I think it would still have had enough in common with the televised version to present a difficulty having them both in the same continuity - 2 planets of gold?
EDIT: Could this be what Sadie Millar was doing in BF recently?
You’ve jogged my memory a bit. I certainly remember the cover. I think it was set on a gigantic space casino and involved welsh gold miners. One thing I do remember is how different the fourth Doctor was. Very timid and nervous. Much more akin to Troughton than Baker T. Mind you that’s really the only Doctor Davies knew.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 20, 2020 15:00:58 GMT
The original Gerry Davis version of Revenge was quite different to the Robert Holmes rewritten version that ended up on screen. It had human miners instead of Vogans. There was an article on it and a plot summary, a fairly detailed synopsis if memory serves, in an old DWB nearly 30 years ago (issue #97?). I threw out my old DWBs years ago so can no longer check to confirm.
So it could be that one, although it would require a recast of Sarah and Harry or else new companions, plus - and my memory could very well be playing up here - I think it would still have had enough in common with the televised version to present a difficulty having them both in the same continuity - 2 planets of gold?
EDIT: Could this be what Sadie Millar was doing in BF recently?
You’ve jogged my memory a bit. I certainly remember the cover. I think it was set on a gigantic space casino and involved welsh gold miners. One thing I do remember is how different the fourth Doctor was. Very timid and nervous. Much more akin to Troughton than Baker T. Mind you that’s really the only Doctor Davies knew. Now you're jogging my memory. I think their leader was called Evans
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 15:07:21 GMT
I've not heard of a 4th Doctor story that was pitched and unmade with The Cybermen, that's an interesting development. The original Gerry Davis version of Revenge was quite different to the Robert Holmes rewritten version that ended up on screen. It had human miners instead of Vogans. There was an article on it and a plot summary, a fairly detailed synopsis if memory serves, in an old DWB nearly 30 years ago (issue #97?). I threw out my old DWBs years ago so can no longer check to confirm.
So it could be that one, although it would require a recast of Sarah and Harry or else new companions, plus - and my memory could very well be playing up here - I think it would still have had enough in common with the televised version to present a difficulty having them both in the same continuity - 2 planets of gold?
EDIT: Could this be what Sadie Millar was doing in BF recently?
Yeah, that's the issue - it's not so much "lost" as "first draft" - I mean if The Lost Stories went that route we could do most of the classic series again all over. Well...actually, I'd buy that...mustn't give them ideas. Of course there's also the chance there is a lost story that just hasn't been known to the fans. Through DWB, DWM and a million and one interviews we've got info on the vast majority I'm sure but it'd be cool if there were some in a drawer somewhere that haven't circulated.
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Post by cwm on Jan 20, 2020 16:56:47 GMT
It has been pointed out elsewhere that you can just about make out Gerry Davis' name right below the title, FWIW.
Also: Tom appears to be wearing the same clothes as he was for the Big Finish Christmas message (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ratL-DbZa3k), which was when he was recording with Sadie Miller.
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Post by Digi on Jan 20, 2020 18:12:14 GMT
It has been pointed out elsewhere that you can just about make out Gerry Davis' name right below the title, FWIW. Also: Tom appears to be wearing the same clothes as he was for the Big Finish Christmas message (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ratL-DbZa3k), which was when he was recording with Sadie Miller. How embarrassing if they just keep catching him for these things on laundry day
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jan 20, 2020 18:21:33 GMT
Was Gerry Davis involved with the old "Genesis of the Cybermen" script that was supposedly touted round at various times?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 18:29:17 GMT
Was Gerry Davis involved with the old "Genesis of the Cybermen" script that was supposedly touted round at various times? Not just involved - he wrote it. I didn't think Davis actually submitted it till into Davison's era though. Which is why Spare Parts works so well, it kinda scratched the itch that Genesis would have been. Different story but with the same big beats.
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Post by constonks on Jan 20, 2020 20:03:39 GMT
An interesting idea - staging the "first draft" of a story that changed massively (and I assume changing the aspects that made it in for something else). Might we see The Witch Lords/The Vampire Mutation (which later became State of Decay) starring Leela rather than Romana, Adric and K9?
Are there any other stories that started out almost entirely different?
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Post by dannybl on Jan 20, 2020 20:08:35 GMT
An interesting idea - staging the "first draft" of a story that changed massively (and I assume changing the aspects that made it in for something else). Might we see The Witch Lords/The Vampire Mutation (which later became State of Decay) starring Leela rather than Romana, Adric and K9? Are there any other stories that started out almost entirely different? The original Hand of Fear? The Six Doctors?
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Post by chronotis on Jan 20, 2020 20:41:04 GMT
Was Gerry Davis involved with the old "Genesis of the Cybermen" script that was supposedly touted round at various times? Not just involved - he wrote it. I didn't think Davis actually submitted it till into Davison's era though. Which is why Spare Parts works so well, it kinda scratched the itch that Genesis would have been. Different story but with the same big beats. Perhaps we are getting a double bill of Return of the Cybermen and Genesis of the Cybermen for this years Lost Stories?
Probably won't happen, but Big Finish do have form on this. Three of the four releases in series 4 of the Lost Stories were from ideas by Brian Hayles.
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Post by frisby78 on Jan 20, 2020 22:12:43 GMT
When does a lost story become an original story? If it was just a vague idea scribbled on the back of a fag packet never got close to production, and has been written wholesale by BF can it really be classed as lost?
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Post by coffeeaddict on Jan 20, 2020 22:21:29 GMT
An interesting idea - staging the "first draft" of a story that changed massively (and I assume changing the aspects that made it in for something else). Might we see The Witch Lords/The Vampire Mutation (which later became State of Decay) starring Leela rather than Romana, Adric and K9? Are there any other stories that started out almost entirely different? If you go that route, a remount of The Brain of Morbius might be worth a look.
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Post by constonks on Jan 21, 2020 2:59:09 GMT
When does a lost story become an original story? If it was just a vague idea scribbled on the back of a fag packet never got close to production, and has been written wholesale by BF can it really be classed as lost? I believe a few of the Lost Stories have been new stories based on old outlines but I'm not sure if any were in even lesser states than that. Part of me says "if it was ever considered for production, it should count no matter what state it's in" but some of the Lost Stories produced don't meet that criteria - Fragile Yellow Arc of Fragrance was a spec script, for example. So who knows, really. Ultimately I like audio Who stories whether they're old, new, lost or whatever!
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