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Post by timegirl on Jul 28, 2021 22:36:34 GMT
Thanks you really mean it’s amazing?I hope someone can change his mind one day!🤞 Of course, leaning more on his musician side would be pretty cool, especially if worked well as a "gimmick" for an audio-based medium. It has a lot of potential. Definitely and if Jenna was there more stories focus on the unspoken romantic subtext between 12 and Clara as well. I have a story arch I am aching to tell at BF one day with 12 and Clara that also involves music and a major (temporary) change for 12, but that’s all I will say because I need to keep it to myself for now.
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 28, 2021 22:50:52 GMT
Of course, leaning more on his musician side would be pretty cool, especially if worked well as a "gimmick" for an audio-based medium. It has a lot of potential. Definitely and if Jenna was there more stories focus on the unspoken romantic subtext between 12 and Clara as well. I have a story arch I am aching to tell at BF one day with 12 and Clara that also involves music and a major (temporary) change for 12, but that’s all I will say because I need to keep it to myself for now. Honestly id be pretty turned off if Big Finish focused on A Doctor and Clara romance
i rather have a good solid friendship based focus instead
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 28, 2021 22:52:19 GMT
Hmm Sarah Jane Boxset? i thought they were individual releases hmmmm
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jul 28, 2021 22:56:32 GMT
Definitely and if Jenna was there more stories focus on the unspoken romantic subtext between 12 and Clara as well. I have a story arch I am aching to tell at BF one day with 12 and Clara that also involves music and a major (temporary) change for 12, but that’s all I will say because I need to keep it to myself for now. Honestly id be pretty turned off if Big Finish focused on The Doctor and Clara romance
i rather have a good solid friendship based focus instead
"the" or "a"?
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Post by theillusiveman on Jul 28, 2021 23:03:39 GMT
Honestly id be pretty turned off if Big Finish focused on The Doctor and Clara romance
i rather have a good solid friendship based focus instead
"the" or "a"? A
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Post by timegirl on Jul 28, 2021 23:15:21 GMT
Definitely and if Jenna was there more stories focus on the unspoken romantic subtext between 12 and Clara as well. I have a story arch I am aching to tell at BF one day with 12 and Clara that also involves music and a major (temporary) change for 12, but that’s all I will say because I need to keep it to myself for now. Honestly id be pretty turned off if Big Finish focused on The Doctor and Clara romance
i rather have a good solid friendship based focus instead
I disagree, the subtext is there in the text and there is an enormous audience of people like me who adore the romance and have whole blogs, fanart, fanfics, and YouTube edits paying tribute to 12 and Clara’s love. Also Stephen Moffat, Jenna Coleman and Peter Capaldi are all in support of it being romantic. It would be an enormous waste of potential to water down or ignore that subtext which is so essential to their relationship and such a catalyst for storytelling potential. There are other perfectly good entirely platonic Doctor/companion relationships, let 12 and Clara have their romance I say! I would honestly rather them not even have any 12 and Clara BF stories than have it be ruined by taking the romance out!
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jul 28, 2021 23:24:14 GMT
I mean, the whole point of their storyline is that their relationship very specifically isn’t a romantic one and is exploring a very deep and intricate platonic relationship. You do you I guess.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 28, 2021 23:29:06 GMT
I mean, the whole point of their storyline is that their relationship very specifically isn’t a romantic one and is exploring a very deep and intricate platonic relationship. You do you I guess. Here’s Peter Capaldi himself saying that they have “A truly romantic relationship”: youtu.be/K7i62ERas2sThe point is that they have a deep relationship with romantic feelings that are mostly unsaid or understated: youtu.be/IGgo1hUJBvg
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jul 28, 2021 23:44:08 GMT
I mean, the whole point of their storyline is that their relationship very specifically isn’t a romantic one and is exploring a very deep and intricate platonic relationship. You do you I guess. Here’s Peter Capaldi himself saying that they have “A truly romantic relationship”: youtu.be/K7i62ERas2sThe point is that they have a deep relationship with romantic feelings that are mostly unsaid or understated: youtu.be/IGgo1hUJBvgRabbit hole time! So where does that leave Danny Pink? Sorry- I just personally don't see it as you do. I know all about the fan fiction/ slashing etc. I had a conversation with 1 of the actresses from "Teen Wolf" about "Sterek" and she agreed with me! The whole cast knew and approved of it, however the bigwigs did everything to squash it- you can't stop chemistry LOLZ. My wife couldn't believe that I brought it up as a point of conversation after our "hello's"! My wife is big on "Sterek" and "Destiel" HAHA
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Post by timegirl on Jul 28, 2021 23:50:29 GMT
Here’s Peter Capaldi himself saying that they have “A truly romantic relationship”: youtu.be/K7i62ERas2sThe point is that they have a deep relationship with romantic feelings that are mostly unsaid or understated: youtu.be/IGgo1hUJBvgRabbit hole time! So where does that leave Danny Pink? Sorry- I just personally don't see it as you do. I know all about the fan fiction/ slashing etc. I had a conversation with 1 of the actresses from "Teen Wolf" about "Sterek" and she agreed with me! The whole cast knew and approved of it, however the bigwigs did everything to squash it- you can't stop chemistry LOLZ. My wife couldn't believe that I brought it up as a point of conversation after our "hello's"! My wife is big on "Sterek" and "Destiel" HAHA They did have many hints on screen though! Clara even said in Last Christmas that 12 was the only other man (besides Danny) she would marry and then kissed 12 on the cheek with the outline of a heart in the background! Also as early as time heist says “Beat that for a date!” Not to mention the implied kiss and love confession that happened in “Hell Bent” I could go on....
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Post by timegirl on Jul 29, 2021 0:13:55 GMT
Sorry I think I got a little carried away the last few posts, I just am very passionate about 12 and Clara’s romance and the fact that it is real and cannon.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jul 29, 2021 2:33:11 GMT
Sorry I think I got a little carried away the last few posts, I just am very passionate about 12 and Clara’s romance and the fact that it is real and cannon. S'okay. That's why I keep climbing into that blue box is to get carried away. I may not know where we're going, I may not like where we're going, but carry us away somewhere, eh? PS: I agree. The subtext is really there, can hardly miss it if you look for it. You can love it, you can hate it, you can ignore it, you can deny it, but I'm pretty sure that Twelve and Clara are actually a thing. Blame that guy Moffat, lol.
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Post by timegirl on Jul 29, 2021 3:02:24 GMT
Sorry I think I got a little carried away the last few posts, I just am very passionate about 12 and Clara’s romance and the fact that it is real and cannon. S'okay. That's why I keep climbing into that blue box is to get carried away. I may not know where we're going, I may not like where we're going, but carry us away somewhere, eh? PS: I agree. The subtext is really there, can hardly miss it if you look for it. You can love it, you can hate it, you can ignore it, you can deny it, but I'm pretty sure that Twelve and Clara are actually a thing. Blame that guy Moffat, lol. Very well said 😊
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Post by sherlock on Jul 29, 2021 6:58:46 GMT
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Post by Tony Jones on Jul 29, 2021 7:32:03 GMT
Sorry I think I got a little carried away the last few posts, I just am very passionate about 12 and Clara’s romance and the fact that it is real and cannon. There is no 'canon' in Doctor Who
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Post by xlozdob on Jul 29, 2021 7:42:06 GMT
Sorry I think I got a little carried away the last few posts, I just am very passionate about 12 and Clara’s romance and the fact that it is real and cannon. There is no 'canon' in Doctor Who But there definitely are a lot of cannons in it! (On a more serious note, I think she means that it's there in officially sanctioned text, which is the closest you can get, I guess.)
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 29, 2021 7:43:50 GMT
There is no 'canon' in Doctor Who But there definitely are a lot of cannons in it! (On a more serious note, I think she means that it's there in officially sanctioned text, which is the closest you can get, I guess.) Sanctioned text? But is it explicit on screen?
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Post by Tony Jones on Jul 29, 2021 7:49:34 GMT
Honestly id be pretty turned off if Big Finish focused on The Doctor and Clara romance
i rather have a good solid friendship based focus instead
I disagree, the subtext is there in the text and there is an enormous audience of people like me who adore the romance and have whole blogs, fanart, fanfics, and YouTube edits paying tribute to 12 and Clara’s love. Also Stephen Moffat, Jenna Coleman and Peter Capaldi are all in support of it being romantic. It would be an enormous waste of potential to water down or ignore that subtext which is so essential to their relationship and such a catalyst for storytelling potential. There are other perfectly good entirely platonic Doctor/companion relationships, let 12 and Clara have their romance I say! I would honestly rather them not even have any 12 and Clara BF stories than have it be ruined by taking the romance out! At the risk of being pedantic and pouring cold water on this, people (I mean all of us) need to realise they tend to gravitate towards 'bubbles' of opinion, and cluster around people with similar views who then reinforce each other. Try sitting with a bunch of football fans on a bus before or after a match and you soon start to believe there's only one view of reality. It's a very human condition, one we all get prone to in a sort of group-think. Bubbles tend to reinforce prior assumptions — look at the people on social media who tend to follow each other and get very surprised by election results as 'nobody I know was going to vote for XXXXX, how can they win?' People are very bad at understanding big numbers. Being in amongst 100 people all roughly agreeing on something, doesn't mean the rest of the world agrees! As to your post, enormous audience is very likely to be an exaggeration (I would go so far as to say impossible — what's your definition of enormous?). Doctor Who itself doesn't have an enormous audience, so why would the splinter who are devoted to this theory be enormous? It all reminds me of the '70s and '80s when fans decided there was a romantic / sexual relationship between Kirk and Spock. It became 'true' for them. TV shows leave lots open to the audience to interpret. Stories get told and retold over the years and continually change (I'm thinking King Arthur here). Everyone is entitled to their views on the show, but I'd like to suggest this particular topic has had more than enough air time and it might be time to move on. Whether or not Capaldi does or doesn't do Doctor Who for Big Finish, with or without Coleman (and I think Matt Lucas is far more likely to come to audio), and then whether or not they do or don't do certain stories shouldn't be a vindication of anybody's existence. It's all nice to have! There's a lot of ideas all fans would 'like' to happen, but at the end of the day most of us don't write the stories! Why not decompose your central idea into it's essence and tell a new story your way and not confined to the Doctor Who Universe? For all the 'fanfic becomes real' examples people can give, there are 1,000s that haven't. Of course I'm writing this from the perspective of believing others on the forum apart from me have become bored with the continual recycling of this topic. I may be badly out of step, in which case my bad, and I'll go back in my box!
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Post by tuigirl on Jul 29, 2021 7:53:45 GMT
Just a quick add-on concerning the "radio-plays are dreary". We have a HUGE audio play culture in Germany, and thousands of people attend live audio plays with our heroes on stage. We even beat the world records with most people attending live audio plays (20000), longest running series (43 years), actors longest in the role (43 years), millions of fans (it is a cult), millions of records sold (there is at least one copy for every German citizen sold).... and I have to say, if Capaldi is shown this, he will see on first glance that this is anything but dreary. I hope if he does another convention over here, maybe I get a chance to show him a glimpse. Not sure where this picture of the stuffy dark British audio dungeon comes from (I admit I have not listened to many BBC audios). How can the BBC be stuffier than what we do over here? Anyways. From what I heard about Big Finish, it also does not appear to be a dark musty dungeon, but a fun parlor with great food. I am pretty sure if someone/ something is able to at least makes Capaldi have a tiny glance at how awesome the world of audio is, he will be on board in a heart beat. But first, someone somehow has to be able to reach him and makes him at least have a look. At the moment, I get the impression he has this old outdated picture in his head, from past experiences, that blocks out all the sun. And as long as he has this, he won't consider doing BF. Anyways, I also agree, if Chris could be convinced to come back, anything is possible.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jul 29, 2021 7:56:10 GMT
I disagree, the subtext is there in the text and there is an enormous audience of people like me who adore the romance and have whole blogs, fanart, fanfics, and YouTube edits paying tribute to 12 and Clara’s love. Also Stephen Moffat, Jenna Coleman and Peter Capaldi are all in support of it being romantic. It would be an enormous waste of potential to water down or ignore that subtext which is so essential to their relationship and such a catalyst for storytelling potential. There are other perfectly good entirely platonic Doctor/companion relationships, let 12 and Clara have their romance I say! I would honestly rather them not even have any 12 and Clara BF stories than have it be ruined by taking the romance out! At the risk of being pedantic and pouring cold water on this, people (I mean all of us) need to realise they tend to gravitate towards 'bubbles' of opinion, and cluster around people with similar views who then reinforce each other. Try sitting with a bunch of football fans on a bus before or after a match and you soon start to believe there's only one view of reality. It's a very human condition, one we all get prone to in a sort of group-think. Bubbles tend to reinforce prior assumptions — look at the people on social media who tend to follow each other and get very surprised by election results as 'nobody I know was going to vote for XXXXX, how can they win?' People are very bad at understanding big numbers. Being in amongst 100 people all roughly agreeing on something, doesn't mean the rest of the world agrees! As to your post, enormous audience is very likely to be an exaggeration (I would go so far as to say impossible — what's your definition of enormous?). Doctor Who itself doesn't have an enormous audience, so why would the splinter who are devoted to this theory be enormous? It all reminds me of the '70s and '80s when fans decided there was a romantic / sexual relationship between Kirk and Spock. It became 'true' for them. TV shows leave lots open to the audience to interpret. Stories get told and retold over the years and continually change (I'm thinking King Arthur here). Everyone is entitled to their views on the show, but I'd like to suggest this particular topic has had more than enough air time and it might be time to move on. Whether or not Capaldi does or doesn't do Doctor Who for Big Finish, with or without Coleman (and I think Matt Lucas is far more likely to come to audio), and then whether or not they do or don't do certain stories shouldn't be a vindication of anybody's existence. It's all nice to have! There's a lot of ideas all fans would 'like' to happen, but at the end of the day most of us don't write the stories! Why not decompose your central idea into it's essence and tell a new story your way and not confined to the Doctor Who Universe? For all the 'fanfic becomes real' examples people can give, there are 1,000s that haven't. Of course I'm writing this from the perspective of believing others on the forum apart from me have become bored with the continual recycling of this topic. I may be badly out of step, in which case my bad, and I'll go back in my box! I get what you're saying but if any particular topic on here is not of interest one can choose to ignore the particular thread or more drastically use the ignore function for the individual making the posts. There are plenty of topics in this forum I'm not interested in so just don't bother with them.
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