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Post by captainpugwash on Jan 20, 2020 14:55:08 GMT
I've not heard of a 4th Doctor story that was pitched and unmade with The Cybermen, that's an interesting development. The original Gerry Davis version of Revenge was quite different to the Robert Holmes rewritten version that ended up on screen. It had human miners instead of Vogans. There was an article on it and a plot summary, a fairly detailed synopsis if memory serves, in an old DWB nearly 30 years ago (issue #97?). I threw out my old DWBs years ago so can no longer check to confirm.
So it could be that one, although it would require a recast of Sarah and Harry or else new companions, plus - and my memory could very well be playing up here - I think it would still have had enough in common with the televised version to present a difficulty having them both in the same continuity - 2 planets of gold?
EDIT: Could this be what Sadie Millar was doing in BF recently?
You’ve jogged my memory a bit. I certainly remember the cover. I think it was set on a gigantic space casino and involved welsh gold miners. One thing I do remember is how different the fourth Doctor was. Very timid and nervous. Much more akin to Troughton than Baker T. Mind you that’s really the only Doctor Davies knew.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jan 20, 2020 15:00:58 GMT
The original Gerry Davis version of Revenge was quite different to the Robert Holmes rewritten version that ended up on screen. It had human miners instead of Vogans. There was an article on it and a plot summary, a fairly detailed synopsis if memory serves, in an old DWB nearly 30 years ago (issue #97?). I threw out my old DWBs years ago so can no longer check to confirm.
So it could be that one, although it would require a recast of Sarah and Harry or else new companions, plus - and my memory could very well be playing up here - I think it would still have had enough in common with the televised version to present a difficulty having them both in the same continuity - 2 planets of gold?
EDIT: Could this be what Sadie Millar was doing in BF recently?
You’ve jogged my memory a bit. I certainly remember the cover. I think it was set on a gigantic space casino and involved welsh gold miners. One thing I do remember is how different the fourth Doctor was. Very timid and nervous. Much more akin to Troughton than Baker T. Mind you that’s really the only Doctor Davies knew. Now you're jogging my memory. I think their leader was called Evans
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 15:07:21 GMT
I've not heard of a 4th Doctor story that was pitched and unmade with The Cybermen, that's an interesting development. The original Gerry Davis version of Revenge was quite different to the Robert Holmes rewritten version that ended up on screen. It had human miners instead of Vogans. There was an article on it and a plot summary, a fairly detailed synopsis if memory serves, in an old DWB nearly 30 years ago (issue #97?). I threw out my old DWBs years ago so can no longer check to confirm.
So it could be that one, although it would require a recast of Sarah and Harry or else new companions, plus - and my memory could very well be playing up here - I think it would still have had enough in common with the televised version to present a difficulty having them both in the same continuity - 2 planets of gold?
EDIT: Could this be what Sadie Millar was doing in BF recently?
Yeah, that's the issue - it's not so much "lost" as "first draft" - I mean if The Lost Stories went that route we could do most of the classic series again all over. Well...actually, I'd buy that...mustn't give them ideas. Of course there's also the chance there is a lost story that just hasn't been known to the fans. Through DWB, DWM and a million and one interviews we've got info on the vast majority I'm sure but it'd be cool if there were some in a drawer somewhere that haven't circulated.
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Post by chronotis on Jan 20, 2020 20:41:04 GMT
Was Gerry Davis involved with the old "Genesis of the Cybermen" script that was supposedly touted round at various times? Not just involved - he wrote it. I didn't think Davis actually submitted it till into Davison's era though. Which is why Spare Parts works so well, it kinda scratched the itch that Genesis would have been. Different story but with the same big beats. Perhaps we are getting a double bill of Return of the Cybermen and Genesis of the Cybermen for this years Lost Stories?
Probably won't happen, but Big Finish do have form on this. Three of the four releases in series 4 of the Lost Stories were from ideas by Brian Hayles.
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Post by agentten on Jan 30, 2020 2:24:41 GMT
It would be mind blowing for McKellen to return to his Who role. He's in the top tier of my wish list of actors I'd love Big Finish to get. I have thought of them as my dream team of four: Derek Jacobi, John Hurt, Patrick Stewart, and Ian McKellen. David Warner would be on the list, but he'd already been doing Big Finish plays for years before I got assimilated. Several years later and we're two for two, so I'm keeping the dream alive.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jan 30, 2020 3:25:00 GMT
It would be mind blowing for McKellen to return to his Who role. He's in the top tier of my wish list of actors I'd love Big Finish to get. I have thought of them as my dream team of four: Derek Jacobi, John Hurt, Patrick Stewart, and Ian McKellen. David Warner would be on the list, but he'd already been doing Big Finish plays for years before I got assimilated. Several years later and we're two for two, so I'm keeping the dream alive. The 4 Sir's..! get a few of the Dames involved as well. It would be ridiculously awesome..!
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Post by number13 on Jan 31, 2020 14:03:01 GMT
Does that mean we can't see it in your post now? Who/what was it? Script Pic of The Lovecroft Invasion As guessed in the Main Range Discussion Thread it a 6th Doc/Flip/Constance story Regards mark687 And it had H.P.Lovecraft character names listed as characters in the story (Cthulhu, Nyarlathotep etc. And 'Chief Ghoul' ) so I think we can guess it will go the full Great Old Ones!
So pleased we are getting Flip & Constance back with Sixie this year.
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Post by Zagreus on Feb 4, 2020 20:06:12 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Feb 4, 2020 20:13:13 GMT
Who've thunk it? Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 20:47:42 GMT
Is the Martha box part of the 'cutting back on releases' exercise... 😉 It did seem a bit odd Martha coming in "only" for a Torchwood. With Donna and Rose getting boxsets already and Martha having that whole year of becoming a legend globetrotting spreading the name of The Doctor it's kinda tailor made for a set. Certainly makes more sense to me than a Lady Christina box!
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Post by frisby78 on Feb 4, 2020 20:50:02 GMT
Is the Martha box part of the 'cutting back on releases' exercise... 😉 It did seem a bit odd Martha coming in "only" for a Torchwood. With Donna and Rose getting boxsets already and Martha having that whole year of becoming a legend globetrotting spreading the name of The Doctor it's kinda tailor made for a set. Certainly makes more sense to me than a Lady Christina box! Oh I agree on that front, it certainly makes more sense than Christina and probably Donna. I'm just worried we're going to get a barrage of Martha releases! 😉
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Post by xlozdob on Feb 4, 2020 21:02:28 GMT
Interesting tho that those two are under BBC while her part in Lost Resort says Big Finish for BBC. Might be just a matter of character limit, but I thought it was worth mentioning nonetheless.
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Post by number13 on Feb 4, 2020 21:23:49 GMT
Who've thunk it? Regards mark687 Who indeed? And right after Martha appearing in TW too, we didn't see this coming.
I noticed Ms Connolly is also playing a Robot called 'Thad' in September's MR 'The Lost Resort', which I guess tells us a bit about that story if includes a robot with a name and dialogue!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 23:48:08 GMT
Last of the Time Lords does suggest the Master never actually sets foot on the Earth, presumably staying on the Valiant, so it’d make sense for him to be a distant menace. I think an easy workaround for that is to have him only appear in the final episode and have every single person who's aware of it killed. That way we get the Master in on the action while still maintaining the continuity (as no-one's left alive to tell the story other than Martha, and she's a bit too busy trying not to get caught to correct them when they say that line in the episode). An even easier workaround is his loudspeaker addresses to the Earth below, I guess. He can be on The Valiant and still aware of events. I mean he surely didn't spend a whole year just listening to the Scissor Sisters! I'm kinda fine without Simm showing up though.
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 4, 2020 23:54:24 GMT
I think an easy workaround for that is to have him only appear in the final episode and have every single person who's aware of it killed. That way we get the Master in on the action while still maintaining the continuity (as no-one's left alive to tell the story other than Martha, and she's a bit too busy trying not to get caught to correct them when they say that line in the episode). An even easier workaround is his loudspeaker addresses to the Earth below, I guess. He can be on The Valiant and still aware of events. I mean he surely didn't spend a whole year just listening to the Scissor Sisters! I'm kinda fine without Simm showing up though. They could do that, but it would feel like a bit of a wasted opportunity to me. Given there doesn't really seem to much they can actually do with Simm's Master (unless they're going to bring him back against the Eleventh Doctor at some point), I'd like them to take every chance they have to really get him involved in the stories they can, and having him just as a voice over a loudspeaker would be a bit disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 23:59:39 GMT
An even easier workaround is his loudspeaker addresses to the Earth below, I guess. He can be on The Valiant and still aware of events. I mean he surely didn't spend a whole year just listening to the Scissor Sisters! I'm kinda fine without Simm showing up though. They could do that, but it would feel like a bit of a wasted opportunity to me. Given there doesn't really seem to much they can actually do with Simm's Master (unless they're going to bring him back against the Eleventh Doctor at some point), I'd like them to take every chance they have to really get him involved in the stories they can, and having him just as a voice over a loudspeaker would be a bit disappointing. Which is why I'd be fine without him showing up at all. It's Martha's set and I think The Master as the threat looming over things could be more powerful than him actually showing up in person. I guess it depends how "all in" John Simm is and whether he's here to do a few things or just a one and done for now.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 5, 2020 14:07:48 GMT
Also with the Martha box set is it going to be more personal stories as we're kind of getting swamped with screaming Dalek stories. As much as l love the Daleks. Well we don’t know, because it’s not been officially announced yet. We just know it exists from an actors CV. It’s set during The Year That Never Was, and the Toclafane are in it, we know that much. My guess is that the Toclafane (and maybe the Master) will be the only extra-terrestrials involved. I actually wonder if there might be a Companion Chronicles style episode in it, seeing as she did travel around telling stories of the Doctor.
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Post by grinch on Feb 5, 2020 21:08:31 GMT
Also with the Martha box set is it going to be more personal stories as we're kind of getting swamped with screaming Dalek stories. As much as l love the Daleks. Well we don’t know, because it’s not been officially announced yet. We just know it exists from an actors CV. It’s set during The Year That Never Was, and the Toclafane are in it, we know that much. My guess is that the Toclafane (and maybe the Master) will be the only extra-terrestrials involved. I actually wonder if there might be a Companion Chronicles style episode in it, seeing as she did travel around telling stories of the Doctor. I would sort of prefer if the Toclafane were the only aliens in it. Make it more grounded, you know? Have the villains be desperate people who are forced to do desperate things to survive in this new and terrible world the Master has created. Mind you, I wouldn’t mind hinting at what the outside universe thinks of the matter. Perhaps they’re afraid to go to Earth lest they earn the Master’s wrath? (I’d imagine stories of his evil are as widely spread as stories of the Doctor himself) All hypothetical of course, but I could see a squadron of Judoon Troopers being sent in to execute the Master only to get utterly devastated by the Toclafane. Would make the Shadow Proclamation back off at least.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 5, 2020 21:12:02 GMT
Well we don’t know, because it’s not been officially announced yet. We just know it exists from an actors CV. It’s set during The Year That Never Was, and the Toclafane are in it, we know that much. My guess is that the Toclafane (and maybe the Master) will be the only extra-terrestrials involved. I actually wonder if there might be a Companion Chronicles style episode in it, seeing as she did travel around telling stories of the Doctor. I would sort of prefer if the Toclafane were the only aliens in it. Make it more grounded, you know? Have the villains be desperate people who are forced to do desperate things to survive in this new and terrible world the Master has created. Mind you, I wouldn’t mind hinting at what the outside universe thinks of the matter. Perhaps they’re afraid to go to Earth lest they earn the Master’s wrath? (I’d imagine stories of his evil are as widely spread as stories of the Doctor himself) All hypothetical of course, but I could see a squadron of Judoon Troopers being sent in to execute the Master only to get utterly devastated by the Toclafane. Would make the Shadow Proclamation back off at least. Last of the Time Lords does open with an unknown alien announcer saying ‘Sol 3 is closed’ implying aliens were staying well away from the Master’s regime.
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Post by constonks on Feb 5, 2020 21:18:45 GMT
Also with the Martha box set is it going to be more personal stories as we're kind of getting swamped with screaming Dalek stories. As much as l love the Daleks. Well we don’t know, because it’s not been officially announced yet. We just know it exists from an actors CV. It’s set during The Year That Never Was, and the Toclafane are in it, we know that much. My guess is that the Toclafane (and maybe the Master) will be the only extra-terrestrials involved. I actually wonder if there might be a Companion Chronicles style episode in it, seeing as she did travel around telling stories of the Doctor. That's what BBC Books did when they published The Story of Martha - a frame narrative of Martha going around with short stories of her travels with the Doctor interspersed.
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