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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 24, 2016 5:46:07 GMT
odd to think something that was effectively a throwaway group in a single story has now grown to cross five different companies* and grown into something wholely it's own.
We've gotten ideas like the man who forced himself to evolve so he could taste concepts, the City of the Saved where were all re-exist after the end of the universe, the tactical use of Peace, multiple Sherlocks Holmes vying for a unique self-identity, the machinations of Lolita, a story where the hero is written out of history (including the story itself)....
But but it all started with a War. A War in Time that we were never meant to see - rather meta really.
* BBC, Mad Norwegian, BBV, Magic Bullet and Obverse Books.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 24, 2016 14:15:16 GMT
I've only ever read Alien Bodies which was their introduction.
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Post by constonks on May 24, 2016 15:56:05 GMT
I've been meaning to read Erasing Sherlock for a while. I've only read Alien Bodies though. Is there any other prerequisite novel?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 24, 2016 20:18:04 GMT
Alien Bodies introduces the Faction.
The Book of the War makes the Faction what it is today, and anything by Obverse expands it.
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Post by seeley on May 24, 2016 20:45:52 GMT
Interference also has an informative discourse on the Faction's raison d'etre.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 0:35:35 GMT
If you're just starting out with the Faction, I'd highly recommend Magic Bullet's The True History of Faction Paradox featuring Sutekh and the Osirian court. The previous BBV audios (while good) aren't a requirement and the production values are stunning and just as good as their work on Kaldor City. The Faction Paradox stories to me are the definitive portrayal of a time active war, you really cannot beat the amount of sheer imagination and wit that goes into its creation. Even a story like Warring States, which uses the classic cliches of alternate history where Rome never fell and Nazi Germany won World War II, manages to turn them on its head by merging the two together in a war to the death. If it's got the FP name on it, it's almost guaranteed to be amazing stuff.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 26, 2016 8:05:10 GMT
Interference also has an informative discourse on the Faction's raison d'etre. I rather find the Interference and beyond (in the BBCiverse) rather missing the point of the Faction, while the Faction in "Unnatural History" faithful to the idea. |
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 26, 2016 14:01:01 GMT
Well that seems to be the problem as they didnt seem to have a clear plot line through the BBC books from what i gather. Hence why Faction ended up as they were in Ancestor Cell, with them essentially becoming the Enemy.
Anyone know what the original point of the bone sculpture above Gallifrey was meant to be about?
or is that something only Miles really knows (as per)
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 27, 2016 4:17:05 GMT
They didn't even manage to be the enemy, just petty, slightly more effective than the Sontarans, thugs.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 6:25:36 GMT
They weren't the Faction. Not really. It doesn't fit their modus operandi during temporal combat, it'd be like a vulture whipping out a chaingun to kill carrion early, it makes no sense. The original intent of the Edifice is something of a mystery. Unless it turns up in an entry of The Book of the War, I think only Miles knows for certain what exactly its purpose was.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 27, 2016 11:52:32 GMT
So essentially the EDA's at that point balls'd up the Edifice and the Faction, just so they could finish that storyline.
Maybe if Miles allowed it (which is extremely and most likely utterly impossible), they could do a truer version of the Edifice in the TV show. Just imagine it, the Timelords panicing , because someone has found where they are and they dont know who it is
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Post by sailorhaumea on Apr 9, 2017 2:35:32 GMT
Sorry if thread necromancy is frowned upon around here, but... Stranger Tales of the City will apparently come out winter 2017 (this coming winter, of course)...but they've only just started accepting submissions? Kinda odd. Also odd: Elizabeth Evershed is editor, rather than Philip Purser-Hallard. Strange... |
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 9, 2017 3:55:20 GMT
Obverse does a submissions window once a year or so, last year was "Clockwork Iris" IIRC.
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Post by aztec on Apr 9, 2017 20:38:37 GMT
This may be a controversial opinion, but the Faction Paradox stuff kinda bored me in the EDA's, Lawrence Miles had lots of great ideas and imagery but I found much of the War arc in the EDA's to be needlessly convoluted and confusing and it didn't really 'feel' like Who to me, I have no desire to read or hear anything else about the Faction.
One thing I am wondering, I wonder if Miles ever approached BF about doing an F.P audio series...
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Post by Ela on Apr 9, 2017 22:15:01 GMT
I found the Faction Paradox stuff convoluted and uninteresting, too.
Also, don't we already have a thread about the Faction Paradox? I know we've discussed some of this somewhere before. Maybe it was in the EDA book discussion.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 9, 2017 22:19:50 GMT
This may be a controversial opinion, but the Faction Paradox stuff kinda bored me in the EDA's, Lawrence Miles had lots of great ideas and imagery but I found much of the War arc in the EDA's to be needlessly convoluted and confusing and it didn't really 'feel' like Who to me, I have no desire to read or hear anything else about the Faction. One thing I am wondering, I wonder if Miles ever approached BF about doing an F.P audio series... Not controversial for this listener. Interesting snippets separated by swathes of tedium. It's actually a staple problem in sci fi and fantasy, interesting ideas and that's all, no story. |
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Post by Tony Jones on Apr 10, 2017 9:06:02 GMT
Sorry if thread necromancy is frowned upon around here, but... Stranger Tales of the City will apparently come out winter 2017 (this coming winter, of course)...but they've only just started accepting submissions? Kinda odd. Also odd: Elizabeth Evershed is editor, rather than Philip Purser-Hallard. Strange... Not that odd, they want pitches by May so if the commission in June you have months to get a short written even by October. And yes, I'm considering it! |
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Post by Ela on Apr 10, 2017 20:03:33 GMT
Sorry if thread necromancy is frowned upon around here Not at all. |
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