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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 10:18:34 GMT
Hey everyone,
I thought this might be an intresting topic to discuss: can the DC Cinematic Universe be saved?
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Post by omega on Jun 4, 2016 10:45:50 GMT
A change in tone, variety of directors and not rushing things in upcoming movies. Get some humour in, more than just the one joke. Grim and gritty is interesting for one or two movies, but not everything. With marketing don't spoil all the details in the trailers. Doomsday did not need to be revealed in one of the hundreds of trailers. Let the films for the individual members stand up as stand-alone movies.
Don't reject the TV shows. Flash has proven that the movies and TV shows can interact, and it's great cross-promotion. By outright rejecting them there are lots of fans that will be annoyed and decide not to watch the movies.
The biggest advantage the MCU has is that the different films have different tones to them. The First Avenger is a wartime film, Thor is more fantastical, Winter Solider is political thriller, Guardians of the Galaxy is space opera, Ant-Man is a heist movie. There's a variety to pick and choose from.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 4, 2016 11:14:36 GMT
It can...but only if they slow down its development rather than keep trying to catch up with Marvel. Here are the changes I'd make if I were someone within the industry:
- Delay Justice League Parts 1 and 2 until each superhero has their own solo movie. - Introduce more comedy into the universe starting with Suicide Squad to make way for a lighter tone. - Get rid of the awful dark/gritty style DC seem to love. - Fire Ezra Miller and replace him with the TV Flash. Announce a film based on the TV series Arrow with Stephen Amell. This will make both TV and films part of the same DC shared universe instead of confusing it with two people playing Flash and no sign of Green Arrow.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jun 4, 2016 12:19:20 GMT
The DCU, does need to pull back on the reins abit and slow down. Especially considering how many films they've supposedly got on the schedule. Cancel and delay a couple, maybe combine a couple (Booster Gold and Blue Beetle for example) and see where it goes. Dont compete with the MCU as had as they are doing
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 4, 2016 14:46:28 GMT
Just don't compete with Marvel. BvS was their second film. Marvel's was The Incredible Hulk, and that was...meh. And their third was the piece of muck that was Iron Man 2 (only saving grace being the introduction of Black Widow). Actually no, Marvel's PR has done a great job since the 2003 Hulk is treated as a "soft prequel" to Phase 1 and that too was nonsense. So DC attempting to compete with Marvel in full flow is a bad idea. Yes, the Nolan films are excellent but they're not an exercise in universe sharing so a lot of the skills Marvel stumbled on DC will do the same. I AM looking forward to the Bluray though.
I'm one of those that wants the TV and the movies to stay separate. There is no problem in two people playing the character. The whole ethos of DC is multiverse and that works. Marvel has never been about that, even when they attempt it now and again.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jun 23, 2016 22:57:30 GMT
Does it really need saving? So far Batman v Superman is the only one that was really hated. Wonder Woman and Suicide Squad both look good, so I don't think there is likely to be any problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 23:02:39 GMT
Does it really need saving? So far Batman v Superman is the only one that was really hated. Wonder Woman and Suicide Squad both look good, so I don't think there is likely to be any problem. I think I'm with you. The relative failure of BvS meant WB could conduct reshoots on Suicide Squad and make changes to Wonder Woman. We now know Snyder's 2 part JL film has become 1 film, presumably mitigating any issues with Snyder failing again, so Warners have clearly gone into battle stations. Suicide Squad will be telling.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 25, 2017 1:19:18 GMT
Good a time as any to bump this 0ne back up.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 25, 2017 1:29:08 GMT
Well I thoroughly enjoyed Justice League. It's no Wonder Woman, but short of Nolan's Bat Trilogy what is? Certainly none of Marvel's offerings, though Winter Soldier comes close. I've seen the usual nonsense about JL being a failure online, and it is nonsense. It is getting compared to Avengers but short of them both being "team" movies they're nothing alike in structure or story arc.
Whedon to direct Batgirl? I dunno. He's got some chops but his treatment of women while great for the 90s is still in the 90s. And I'm definitely looking forward to a lighter Man of Steel 2, which is definitely coming after JL.
I'm enjoying the DCEU, and one of the reasons I am, silly though it is, is that it hasn't started to bore me, and the MCU has started to do that sadly.
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Post by kurumais on Dec 7, 2017 20:05:05 GMT
i finally saw the justice league and maybe because my expectations where so low i actually liked it i saw a lot of fun in that movie despite its many many flaws. i'd like to see it again.
it was another very good outing for wonder woman and gal gadot. i think one best things ive seen so far is the chemistry between ben afflecks's batman and gadot's wonder woman. im not talking romantic chemistry just 2
characters chemistry. i think that is the heart of the dc films so far, and that's what you build on going forward. they built the league. put them at the heart of the cinematic universe, put them front and center. that means keeping
ben affleck in the bat suit. btw ben's costume in justice league was just terrible. he looked like he was wearing 2 hundred pounds of costume. the dc movies need a better costume department going forward. now back to ben.
all the rumors say he wants out. yes they could recast the role and yes other actors would be just fin, but ben brings some weight and pathos to the role which plays off well against the 100 plus year old WW. and again ben
and gal have good chemistry. someone at warner and or geoff johns and or joss whedon need to convince him to stay.
one of the things that might make him stay is tell the story of the batfamily sub universe. fans have been speculating all over the place about this batman's past and his connections. they have both a batgirl and a nightwing
movie on the schedule. tell the story of a fractured batfamily getting back together. if the WB is giving up on the shared universe spin the bat folks off to their own shared movies.
keep making good wonder woman movies. wonder woman wasn't great but it was pretty good. it has some good will from fans and critics. i think justice league got torpedoed with the stench of a flop when its box office
wasn't threw the roof day one. DC movies will need the critics good will going forward to get the normies into the seats.
another thing these movies need to do is lighten up! i dont mean their sense of humor i mean the color palette. every thing seem dark and shot at night. in my mind i see all their movies as too dark too subdued. remember
someone of the internet lifted the color filter on man of steal and supes and big blue costume looked great. thats what you need. heroes stand out.
they need another winner flash aquaman or cyborg need to be at least good. they need word of mouth and critics to say " yeah this aquaman or cyborg is a weird character, but the movie is good." they can start changing
things around.
batgirl needs to be a hit. lets face it batman is DC's flagship in the comics, in the animated movies, in video games and in the movies. people love the batfamily! i have heard nothing about a solo batman movie. and
even if they announce one today it looks like batgirl will be out before him. if batgirl is a hit it announces DC and the batfamily are back on the map, and tells the fans to come on back. it will get fans hungry for more bats, more batman solo
flicks and that new nightwing movie. if WB has a hit with batgirl it can crow that it has done what marvel hasn't bring female superheroes to the big screen with not just one but 2 superheroines. that could put distance
between them and marvel, plus get them a lot of good press.
i hated the suicide squad but liked will smith as deadshot. find ways to spotlight him. the popularity of harley outside of batman the animated series eludes me, but people love her. girls and women connect with her
despite her relationship with the joker obviously being abusive. a whole bunch of people waiting for a good harley movie. it would be great for the WB to deliver. here they would have another female character to showcase,
if they can get a good flick that taps into the insane but maybe light hearted harley people will go and bring their friends. and they could introduce poison ivy and her yuri-ish relationship with harley they might have a
thelma and louise on their hands.
as for me my favorite dc character is dick grayson so that nightwing movie better be good.
well that's my two cents. the internet and all its analyzers seem to think the DC shared movie universe is done, that warner brothers will still make all the solo movie but not tie them together. i think that would be a shame
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Dec 8, 2017 12:39:04 GMT
If they don't suddenly introduce the Multi verse into the DCEU and get this storyline going in one direction itll be saved
Also hearing that Flashpoint maybe the last movie featuring Batfleck and the Matt Reeves trilogy wont be in this timeline
Urgh
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Post by Hieronymus on Jan 17, 2018 0:44:03 GMT
In a word: NO
But they can still have incredible films featuring one or a few heroes (or villains). I just don't believe that a coherent DC universe will ever happen, since even the comics books reset reality every so often, or jump to another universe. And I think the films ought to either embrace that or at least avoid films stepping on each other.
DC has done alright with the "Arrowverse" thus far. I just wish they'd stop teasing us about Ferris Air and the missing test pilot and pay up. At least a little.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 9:05:43 GMT
I can't believe their doing Flashpoint, of all things. Not withstanding it's been done recently on TV, but surely you would want to save it for the third Flash film?
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Post by Hieronymus on Jan 17, 2018 19:40:47 GMT
I can't believe their doing Flashpoint, of all things. Not withstanding it's been done recently on TV, but surely you would want to save it for the third Flash film? I've seen the animated version, which was really good, but WOW was it steeped in complex knowledge of the DC universe and its characters. The only legitimate reason I can imagine for doing Flashpoint now is that it would give them license to recast / rewrite anything they please. Which is NOT a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 22:44:19 GMT
In a word: NO But they can still have incredible films featuring one or a few heroes (or villains). I just don't believe that a coherent DC universe will ever happen, since even the comics books reset reality every so often, or jump to another universe. And I think the films ought to either embrace that or at least avoid films stepping on each other. DC has done alright with the "Arrowverse" thus far. I just wish they'd stop teasing us about Ferris Air and the missing test pilot and pay up. At least a little. I think it could have been done, although I feel Justice League has put the nail in the coffin on that idea, sadly. But what infuriates me is that this really should have been an easy success for Warner Bros: they had an audience built in for a more traditional DC Movie Universe from the MCU. Sadly, given the state of the industry, what's going on the comics in regards to contiunty doesn't really matter that much. Warner Bros could have taken the same creative risks as Marvel and KEPT things on brand, and instead gave the franchise to the safest pair of hands possible (apart from hiring Jenkins to direct Wonder Woman) and instead they went with Synder's 'deconstruction' of super heroes. Seriously, essentinally ditch everything everything about Man of Steel except for it's cast , have a more traditional adventure with a sense of wonder with an original villain (who is revealed to have ties to Lex Luthor in some capacity, but very downplayed), that brings out the dramatic tension between Batman and Superman meeting each other for the first time and downplay the foreshadowing of future films, it's all about them together, tease Wonder Woman, tease out the foundations - (Bruce Wayne meeting Lex Luthor in a business meeting, Batman saving a child that turns out to be Dick Grayson during the climax of the film, teasing out Robin). Have Lex Luthor feel threatened and begin to set in motion the Injustice League. None of this was hard, you have all the excitement of the audience having Batman onscreen again. Don't highlight your own damn evil Space King when Marvel is highlighting theirs. Highlight the wonder of the DC Universe and don't be afraid to poke at it gently. None of this is rocket science. I'm not optimistic for it's future, which is a shame because Ezra Miller and Ray Fisher really deserve better. Apart from a Wonder Woman sequel, it really feels that Warner Bros has burnt any good will towards these characters for the time being, even with Whedon onboard for Batgirl (and Whedon really doesn't seem to get Babara at all) and James Wan directing Aquaman is a terrible move.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 23:44:38 GMT
NO
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 19, 2018 12:35:20 GMT
Please expand. I'd actually like to know why
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