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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 11, 2016 9:48:37 GMT
Where do you feel the line is between a story needing certain elements from continuity, and then just being indulgent?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2016 10:00:52 GMT
My feelings on continuity are that you only use it when it is relevant for your characters like Evelyn fishing the Doctor out of the Thames, not once but twice over the course of their adventures. It's a difficult line to draw because you can have Craig Hinton continuity fests like GodEngine that fashion entire stories out of disparate references and then you can have stories like The Burning where "When I say run, run," is the only mention you as the reader receive of other stories. Both are great and both have their own appeal.
I'd say continuity becomes an issue when a story starts to use it as a crutch to bolster a failing narrative like awesome via osmosis. Continuity works best when it's being used as a springboard for something more rather than a retread of what we've seen before. Wirrin Dawn is an excellent example of it done correctly, The Tombs of Telos is where it hasn't been. Subtle and/or symbolic continuity is the best way to do it I think, like Adric holding Vash's belt in Earthshock as Briggs's freighter burns up in the atmosphere. Make it natural.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 11, 2016 10:03:13 GMT
Story...
You get paid
Fan fic.
You don't get paid
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 11, 2016 10:54:46 GMT
Story... You get paid Fan fic. You don't get paid Good point, but not what I was asking. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2016 11:08:10 GMT
Story... You get paid Fan fic. You don't get paid Oh, I wish. Even that's not always true. Did you know that some publishing houses pay their authors in public exposure? As in, they reimburse their writers by promising them that their work will be promulgated? |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 11, 2016 12:53:36 GMT
Fanfic
Shipping characters together - Doctor/Jack, Rose/Ricky and other odd combinations like that
Throwing a lot of or all characters in for the sake of it
Anything else
Story
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Post by dorney on Jun 11, 2016 13:20:07 GMT
Story... You get paid Fan fic. You don't get paid Good point, but not what I was asking. I think, on a purely technical level, you're talking 'fanjodrell' rather than 'fanfic' which has different connotations. Personally, I think there is no line. There is whatever the story needs. |
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Post by mark687 on Jun 11, 2016 13:30:36 GMT
Fanfic
you can write what you want for your enjoyment if people like it bonus.
Story
you restrain yourself remembering you have a wider audience with wider tastes.
Regards
mark687
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 11, 2016 16:41:22 GMT
Good point, but not what I was asking. I think, on a purely technical level, you're talking 'fanjodrell' rather than 'fanfic' which has different connotations. Personally, I think there is no line. There is whatever the story needs. What do you consider the difference, Senor Dorney? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 6:52:04 GMT
Well fanfic has normally been defined as fiction that is written without any permission from the license holder, and distributed free of charge purely for the enjoyment of the fans.
If your Big Finish short story entry fails to win and you decide to publish it on the internet, it's fanfic. If it wins and Big Finish release it, it isn't, because it becomes a licensed work.
For the purposes of this debate though, your definitons are helpful, and I dislike the alternative word which more accurately describes Journey's End.
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Post by dorney on Jun 12, 2016 8:27:48 GMT
I think, on a purely technical level, you're talking 'fanjodrell' rather than 'fanfic' which has different connotations. Personally, I think there is no line. There is whatever the story needs. What do you consider the difference, Senor Dorney? Well, fan fic is just that - fiction written by fans. Whereas fanjodrell is fiction - professional or otherwise - where the continuity references get indulgent. |
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Post by Timelord007 on Jun 12, 2016 8:40:36 GMT
Dorney you have caused me to crack up in hysterics mate  , your definition of fanw..k is brilliant & i suspect that is how it would be defined if the word was used on Countdown. This ain't a hint at a forthcoming title of a Doctor Who story is it:dance |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 11:38:53 GMT
What do you consider the difference, Senor Dorney? Whereas fanjodrell is fiction - professional or otherwise - where the continuity references get indulgent. Now all we need is a thread dedicated to what BF stories do we think are ... er, where continuity references have gotten a bit indulgent! I'm sure there are a few... |
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Post by dorney on Jun 12, 2016 12:30:05 GMT
Of course, I think there's a difference between a story being a continuity fest and using that continuity indulgently. You can have tonnes of continuity referencing as long as it serves the story, I'd say.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jun 12, 2016 14:08:15 GMT
Dorney you have caused me to crack up in hysterics mate , your definition of fanw..k is brilliant The late Craig Hinton took credit for coining the word. He knew perfectly well what kind of books he wrote.... The issue is, incidentally, not whether it's crass to stuff your story with continuity, but whether it works or not. Craig Hinton deliberately wrote a section of "The Quantum Archangel" to feature all the ancient races of the Whoniverse, and personally I think it hangs together. But, on the other hand, there are too many Sherlock Holmes pastiches that have Mycroft as head of the Secret Service, Moriarty as the villain, a cameo by Edward VIII, Jack the Ripper, Irene Adler, Professor Challenger, the supernatural, and heaven knows what else that regrettably don't have much of a plot to encompass them all. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 12, 2016 15:47:42 GMT
Dorney you have caused me to crack up in hysterics mate , your definition of fanw..k is brilliant The late Craig Hinton took credit for coining the word. He knew perfectly well what kind of books he wrote.... He chose a somewhat unfortunate second word to join with 'fan'... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 16:25:36 GMT
Well, I'd say, honestly, that Big Finish and the novels have actually done less fan-ficy stuff than the actual TV Series, especially in Moffat's run with stories like Hell Bent.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 12, 2016 18:45:12 GMT
The late Craig Hinton took credit for coining the word. He knew perfectly well what kind of books he wrote.... He chose a somewhat unfortunate second word to join with 'fan'... I think he chose the perfect word. Indulgent pleasure, that does little to nothing for anyone else. |
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, your definition of fanw..k is brilliant & i suspect that is how it would be defined if the word was used on Countdown.
