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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 15, 2016 21:52:44 GMT
What are yours for this likely big finale?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 15, 2016 22:07:53 GMT
Leela dies, War goes "sod this, I need to do whatever is necessary to end the war. I will take NO MORE!" but before he can steal into the Omega Vault, he's sent on another mission (c.f. "Engines of War").
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Post by constonks on Jun 16, 2016 2:26:36 GMT
I hope Big Finish doesn't overwrite their own continuity, given that the only post-Time War story they did before the license renewal involved Leela.
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Post by relativetime on Jun 16, 2016 3:19:48 GMT
I'm really not sure. Previously, I would have liked to see a big character death - specifically Leela's - but I recently learned we already have a story set post Time War with Leela in it. I don't want the continuity of one of my favorite ranges to be sacrificed.
I'd still like to see an important character die BESIDES characters we've met DURING the duration of these box sets (so, not Cardinal Ollistra). It seems the most fitting way to drive home the point about how destructive the Time War was to the Doctor's life, both physically and emotionally. To that end, I would say Romana Trey's death would be a great catalyst for the War Doctor's decision to end the war. I'm not saying it will definitely, actually, happen, but it's what I'd like to see most.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 16, 2016 3:27:30 GMT
K9 perhaps? The K9 TV series makes veiled references to K9 being involved in "a war".
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 16, 2016 4:25:34 GMT
I wonder if there'll be a Cult of Skaro reference.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 16, 2016 7:56:51 GMT
I'd like it to be someone extremely close to the Doctor, like Susan Foreman.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 16, 2016 8:39:54 GMT
I'd like it to be someone extremely close to the Doctor, like Susan Foreman. Never Susan. Ace perhaps?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 16, 2016 8:41:48 GMT
I'd like it to be someone extremely close to the Doctor, like Susan Foreman. Never Susan. Ace perhaps? Oh, what if the Doctor manipulated Ace one step too far and accidentally caused her death? That would be dark.
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Post by CookieMaster on Jun 16, 2016 8:51:51 GMT
The title Casualties of War instantly reminds me of the 1989 film, but i doubt the story will be that brutal. However, aspects of the story could fit, almost certainly the idea that the Doctor disobeys his own kind and is treated like an outsider. There's also the possibility that Leela, as a non-Gallifreyan, could be the subject of discrimination and mistreatment. After all, in desperate times people often act more suspicious of anyone not quite like themselves. There's also one part of the film which sounds like it could be transplanted into a Doctor Who story, i'll spoiler tag it just incase. {Spoiler} In the film Michael J Fox's character witnesses his own squad murdering a Vietnamese girl. By the end of a film, he wakes up on a train and the same actress is playing a Vietnamese student who is obviously identical to the girl. So looking at it more timey-wimey, perhaps Leela is killed but she's back somehow by the end of the story? Just an idea.
I would like the Master to turn up in this too, but i always say that.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 16, 2016 9:28:08 GMT
Well, we could kill Leela in the first story and make the second story the War Doctor wrestling with his conscience over whether or not to leave her dead.
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Post by denyer97 on Jun 16, 2016 9:48:41 GMT
Maybe Romana, Ace AND Leela die? I mean this is supposed to be the biggest war in existence and for the Doctor to go from fighting in the war (albeit reluctantly) to intent on ending it as well as wiping out the time lords and the Daleks and losing his home planet, I feel like there has to be some sort of massive personal loss for the Doctor, maybe at the hands of the time lords to show how they truly have evolved into monsters. I'd like to see the lines between the time lords and Daleks blurred even more also. I've not heard this post Time War story for Leela anybody know what it is? I wonder if there are any plans after the conclusion of the box set for the war Doctor?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 11:38:49 GMT
Nyssa maybe? (I'd like to see 5 and Nyssa interacting with War in some way as they seem to be opposites.)
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Post by constonks on Jun 17, 2016 3:41:00 GMT
Ultimately, Leela's death has been put off for hundreds of years due to living on Gallifrey. So I mean, she could just be sent away from Gallifrey by the War Doctor to save her from the War, but tragically that's what kills her in the end.
As for if anyone in the Doctor's past should die in the War, yeah. But there's no companion who I'd axe too quickly. But someone like Drax or Narvin or Kampo Rimpoche. Someone who probably won't show up on the TV show negating the death, but still someone who would cause some hurt (for both the Doctor and for us) if they died.
The post-Time War Leela story is the framing narrative of her four Companion Chronicles - The Catalyst, Empathy Games, The Time Vampire & The Child. If you're only gonna listen to one, listen to The Catalyst. It's one of the best DW stories out there IMO - beautiful soundscape, engaging story, and somehow still the best Four-Leela story that BF has ever done (even though it was the first one they produced) - it just does a very good job of examining both the companion and the Doctor, which is what most of the best CCs do.
But all four stories are worth a look in (and you'll get to hear the whole story!)
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Post by elgranto on Jun 17, 2016 6:03:46 GMT
The post-Time War Leela story is the framing narrative of her four Companion Chronicles - The Catalyst, Empathy Games, The Time Vampire & The Child. If you're only gonna listen to one, listen to The Catalyst. It's one of the best DW stories out there IMO - beautiful soundscape, engaging story, and somehow still the best Four-Leela story that BF has ever done (even though it was the first one they produced) - it just does a very good job of examining both the companion and the Doctor, which is what most of the best CCs do. But all four stories are worth a look in (and you'll get to hear the whole story!) Interesting, I didn't know that The Child was connected to that run of stories. I guess I'll have to get it! On the subject of WD4 predictions, I'd like to wait until WD3 before making any sort of guess. Though I'm all for killing off one or more of the Doctor's former companions at some point, excluding Leela of course. Someone important needs to die for the war to have any serious impact.
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Post by constonks on Jun 17, 2016 6:16:55 GMT
The post-Time War Leela story is the framing narrative of her four Companion Chronicles - The Catalyst, Empathy Games, The Time Vampire & The Child. If you're only gonna listen to one, listen to The Catalyst. It's one of the best DW stories out there IMO - beautiful soundscape, engaging story, and somehow still the best Four-Leela story that BF has ever done (even though it was the first one they produced) - it just does a very good job of examining both the companion and the Doctor, which is what most of the best CCs do. But all four stories are worth a look in (and you'll get to hear the whole story!) Interesting, I didn't know that The Child was connected to that run of stories. I guess I'll have to get it! On the subject of WD4 predictions, I'd like to wait until WD3 before making any sort of guess. Though I'm all for killing off one or more of the Doctor's former companions at some point, excluding Leela of course. Someone important needs to die for the war to have any serious impact. I actually had an idea for a War Doctor short story that involved the Doc having to hunt down Fortean Flickers and learning that the last one in existence was keeping Lethbridge-Stewart alive. If I ever get to write it, that wasn't meant to be a twist so I don't mind giving it away, haha. But as for other companions, the only thing I'm wary about is writing out characters like Susan or Ian or Romana who could conceivably come back in the TV show. But I wouldn't mind it if the War made its way to the Planet of the Elders or 17th century Scotland or the Wheel or something.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 5, 2016 22:53:53 GMT
I do wonder if we'll see any of the regular rogue time lords in WD4. Perhaps we'll finally see the running Master, or even have the Rani pop up as a weapons designer like some have suggested in various threads over the years.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 5, 2016 23:47:22 GMT
I predict it will lead into another series of box sets that I will gladly purchase because, you know, John Hurt.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 6, 2016 1:29:59 GMT
I predict it will lead into another series of box sets that I will gladly purchase because, you know, John Hurt. If John Hurt's willing to do them, I'm sure they'll make more.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jul 6, 2016 2:41:24 GMT
I do wonder if we'll see any of the regular rogue time lords in WD4. Perhaps we'll finally see the running Master, or even have the Rani pop up as a weapons designer like some have suggested in various threads over the years. BF does have a Rani, and a Monk (or three) to call upon, the Master I suspect is off limits, but I wonder what Jane Baker has to say about using the Rani?
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