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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 9, 2016 13:42:45 GMT
The Third Doctor era is especially noticeable for needless padding. The Mutants had to introduce a brand new threat to justify the last two episodes and Planet of the Spiders dedicated a whole episode to a chase involving a helicopter, the Whomobile and a boat. Frontier in Space is the Doctor and Jo getting put in and escaping a variety of prison cells. Many of the new series stories would be great candidates for Target style novelisations. Some of the best in the Target range expanded on the stories a lot, some of the Seventh Doctor novelisations for example. Matt Jones's Impossible Planet/Satan Pit really feels like a New Adventure in tone. Which reminds me, I read over on Gallifreybase recently that Mark Gatiss once mentioned on twitter that he was asked to novelize one of his stories (IIRC it was either The Crimson Horror or The Nightmare In Silver) no idea how serious the talks were though... If they were to novelise New Who episodes I think Day Of The Doctor would be the most likely candidate... Is there a market for adaptions from film to book?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Oct 9, 2016 17:19:52 GMT
Which reminds me, I read over on Gallifreybase recently that Mark Gatiss once mentioned on twitter that he was asked to novelize one of his stories (IIRC it was either The Crimson Horror or The Nightmare In Silver) no idea how serious the talks were though... If they were to novelise New Who episodes I think Day Of The Doctor would be the most likely candidate... Is there a market for adaptions from film to book? Yeah quite a big one i think. The Alien fanbase is quite excited that Alan Dean Foster is doing an Novelisation of the next Alien film for the first time since 1992 for example
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 9, 2016 17:27:45 GMT
Is there a market for adaptions from film to book? Yeah quite a big one i think. The Alien fanbase is quite excited that Alan Dean Foster is doing an Novelisation of the next Alien film for the first time since 1992 for example But, is this before the film release, or after?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Oct 9, 2016 17:47:46 GMT
At the moment a release date hasnt been confirmed, but the film itself comes out next year some time
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Post by doctorkernow on Oct 13, 2016 22:33:16 GMT
Hello again. Nu-Who? Positives? After the wilderness it was too much. Fast-moving, a great version of the theme, a companion with a family and a leather-jacketed Northern Doctor.
I loved the world is turning speech in episode 1 but it took until Dalek for me to adjust to this new interpretation and continuation of my favourite programme.
Once I got what was going on. I was surprised and delighted just how huge it became. The Christmas Invasion had me in tears as I could not believe how enjoyable my favourite programme had become.
The other positive has been seeing my girls enjoy it particularly Matt Smith. I also love Murray Gold's music especially Song for Ten, Donna's Theme and Doomsday.
Human Nature, The Empty Child, The Waters of Mars, Impossible Planet, Mummy on the Orient Express, Turn Left, Midnight... There are many excellent stories, some wonderful acting from the four doctors and their companions. Raise a glass on Saturday 22nd of October as we see another Doctor Who spinoff, Class, add even more stories to the Whoniverse. Here's to Doctor Who both Nu and Classic, audio, novel, cosmic or TV and here's to many more years of stories...
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Post by theotherjosh on Oct 14, 2016 14:50:52 GMT
I’m not a huge fan of the rebooted series, as the elements it tends to emphasize aren’t the elements that interest me about Doctor Who, but after I had a chance to ruminate on it after reading this thread, I think there are two elements that I like.
Christopher Eccleston: Having lived through the 1996 movie, I was wary about a reboot, but I dearly loved Eccleston’s time on the series. It nodded to continuity without being shackled by it, and he was just fun to watch.
Accessibility: I am a fan of the classic series, and one of the best parts of being a parent is sharing the stuff you love with your kids. My daughter was born in 2006 and she is accustomed to modern production values. She’s not receptive to the dodgy effects and slower pacing of the classic series. But she loves Tennant’s run, and I’m glad that it can serve as a bridge to something we can enjoy together.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 16:13:57 GMT
A big enough positive is that Doctor Who is back, and still on, our TV screens... I may not like every episode these days, I also accept that I am probably not part of the show's target audience in 2016, but a world with Doctor Who on the TV is so much better than one without it.
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Post by muckypup on Oct 14, 2016 16:37:32 GMT
the biggest positive of having new who, is that it has allowed BF to explode into the company it now is. form one audio a month(which was dying in the divergent universe & experimentation), with the occasional spinoff.
we now get about 6 titles each month, the quality has never dropped in fact it has got better and both the audio & TV complement each other.
I have lots of stuff I don't like about new who (especially moffats era) but its more because I care about Dr Who and the stories it tells, the way it makes me feel & the fact its just such a brilliant ambassador for British TV and the BBC.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 17:08:27 GMT
The positives are all in: Series 1 Series 2 Series 3 Series 4 The Specials
As a fan of the show, I would recommend anyone who hasn't seen it check out RTD's era in general or the Hinchcliffe era, depending on who they are. Also, Vincent And The Doctor, Mummy On The Orient Express, FLatline, The God Complex, Heaven Sent and all of Mark Gatiss' stories (except Victory Of The Daleks) were all really good.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Oct 14, 2016 17:12:26 GMT
Hello again. Nu-Who? Positives? After the wilderness it was too much. Fast-moving, One thing I find about NuWho, is it isn't fast-moving!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 17:15:44 GMT
The writing and characterisation is in my view extremely better than it was during the classic series. The classic series as great as it is has quite a few generic lines, whereas the new series seems to make the dialogue more dramatic and sometimes even poetic. I would have to disagree with this. NuWho has certain episodes where the lines are borderline fan film quality and the plots just seem to be the accompaniment to gags and jokes. In the RTD era I can agree that the characterisation is probably better. The writing's on par with most of Classic Who. And, honestly, in my view there are far more genuinely good poetic episodes in Classic Who. Seriously, most of the "poetic" and "dramatic" episodes in NuWho, aren't that good... When NuWho plays things low-key, like Mickey's departure in The Age Of Steel or the ending of the Satan Pit or Donna's departure or even 9's regeneration, are genuinely great moments. All seriously underrated because of silly stuff like Hell Bent, which is utter rubbish. David Tennant's easily my second favorite Doctor, though, and I really rate Eccleston. However, Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi are just tediously boring and don't feel to me like a continuation of the Doctor. What do Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi add to the part, which was positive, though? Nothing, in my eyes. Even some of my least favorite Doctors add something. Even Peter Davison adds good things, but they just don't. I find it sad because there's a certain actor out there who would probably have been a ton better in the role than either of them.
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Post by doctorkernow on Oct 14, 2016 17:22:22 GMT
Hello again. I agree the pace has slowed somewhat since Mr. Moffatt first introduced his intricate plots. This is no bad thing in today's 10 second a shot TV world. Sometimes, a slower pace, makes a nice change. However, when Who first came back, those 45 minutes used to fly by. In 1986/87, 25 minute instalments of Trial or Time and yer Auntie used to drag interminably.
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Post by aztec on Oct 14, 2016 17:56:13 GMT
Positive/Negatives mean deifferent things to differently people, so I'll simply list things I love about the revival series. Unlike many on this forum I didn't grow up with the Classic series or get into the show during the Wilderness years, as a Brit I had seen the odd clip (and possibly the Cushing films) and was aware of the basics, but 'Rose' was my first real exposure to the show as a 13 year old back in 2005, I still haven't seen around half the classic serials, and not explored BF in too mcuh depth beyond the 6th and 8th Doctors, so my opinions are obviously biased:
How successful it is Most of Series 1 All of Series 4 Most of Series 5 Donna Rory Clara (sometimes) The Music (sometimes) The cinematography particularly Series 5 onwards Donna The performances by the lead actors and actresses. Most of Series 8 All of Series 9 (quite possibly my favourite series so far, but I said I haven't seen all of it, and I rarely rewatch stories) The scope and variety of stories, keeps the show fresh and surprising, for every Heaven Sent or Blink there's a Fear Her or Voyage Of The Dammed, i.m.o New Who experiements more with the format and tone than Classic Who did and I think the show is all the better for it. Personally I often prefer the pacing of New Who to the Classic serials, maybe it's an age thing but I often find my attention wandering during some of the longer Classic Serials (Whilst I can and have watch The War Games and The Invasion happily in one sitting, I honestly find much of the Pertwee era kinda boring and repeitive with too much padding, why 7 parters?) New Who episodes can tend to be rushed and place too much focus on action scenes or the climax, but everything feels more naturally streamlined and I don't usually miss the runnning down corridors padding scenes. 9th Doctor War Doctor The Night Of The Doctor being a perfect regeneration for the 8th Doctor and introducing me to Big Finish. It contributed to Big Finish's success and exposure, had Doctor Who not come back in 2005 there's every possibility the audios would have ended years ago. 12th Doctor (tied with McGann as my favourite Doctor) Not overly fond of the 10th or 11th Doctors personally, but Tennant and Smith both gave great performances.
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Post by ljwilson on Oct 14, 2016 18:58:54 GMT
The special effects have come on a bit....I'll get my coat.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Apr 28, 2017 23:11:12 GMT
Personally I often prefer the pacing of New Who to the Classic serials, maybe it's an age thing but I often find my attention wandering during some of the longer Classic Serials (Whilst I can and have watch The War Games and The Invasion happily in one sitting, I honestly find much of the Pertwee era kinda boring and repeitive with too much padding, why 7 parters?) New Who episodes can tend to be rushed and place too much focus on action scenes or the climax, but everything feels more naturally streamlined and I don't usually miss the runnning down corridors padding scenes. I feel the Moffat era demonstrates the limitations of doing Classic as New Who, given some of Series 8, 9 and now it seems much of 10, did employ a pacing more akin to that. Sometimes it allows for world building like in Smile, while in others cases like Woman Who Lived, it just amounts to tedium, waiting for the actual plot to start.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 3:43:36 GMT
Personally I often prefer the pacing of New Who to the Classic serials, maybe it's an age thing but I often find my attention wandering during some of the longer Classic Serials (Whilst I can and have watch The War Games and The Invasion happily in one sitting, I honestly find much of the Pertwee era kinda boring and repeitive with too much padding, why 7 parters?) New Who episodes can tend to be rushed and place too much focus on action scenes or the climax, but everything feels more naturally streamlined and I don't usually miss the runnning down corridors padding scenes. I feel the Moffat era demonstrates the limitations of doing Classic as New Who, given some of Series 8, 9 and now it seems much of 10, did employ a pacing more akin to that. Sometimes it allows for world building like in Smile, while in others cases like Woman Who Lived, it just amounts to tedium, waiting for the actual plot to start. Pacing was actually one of those things I thought they got really badly wrong when they tried to make the transfer across because it was NuWho storytelling in classic series format. Many stories from the revival had only one or two plot threads to their name when most classic four-part serials have something closer to three or four. Most scripts are divided up into the heroes, the villains, and the bystanders as their A, B, and C-Plots respectively. Day of the Daleks, for example, follows the Doctor and Jo, the Controller and the Daleks, and the guerilla fighters. Whereas something like Before the Flood, had only one to its name in the first half and you could feel that. *shrug* There just needs to be more threads if you're stretching it across a longer format.
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Post by kalendorf on May 1, 2017 0:32:11 GMT
-I know this is heresy is some circles, but I love the addition of the families and backgrounds of the companions, especially in the RTD era. They are so much more fleshed out as characters because we know where they came from. Not an exclusively New Who domain though, I'd argue. In Evil of the Daleks and Keeper of Traken, the companion's father was an emotional point of focus.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 1:05:49 GMT
-I know this is heresy is some circles, but I love the addition of the families and backgrounds of the companions, especially in the RTD era. They are so much more fleshed out as characters because we know where they came from. Not an exclusively New Who domain though, I'd argue. In Evil of the Daleks and Keeper of Traken, the companion's father was an emotional point of focus. Families also featured rather circumspectly in Logopolis (Aunt Vanessa), The Awakening (Grandfather Andrew Verney) and Planet of Fire (Stepfather Howard) as well. There were smatterings of familial ties throughout the show, but I don't think any story since The Evil of the Daleks (I'd say The Keeper of Traken, but that's more audio! Who's domain) used it as an asset like the RTD era. Edward Waterfield leaves quite the impression actually:
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 15, 2017 23:25:52 GMT
The special effects have come on a bit....I'll get my coat. Looking back, this comment does actually lead to something interesting: both shows fought hard to push effects boundaries on perpetually shrinking budgets. Contrary to popular belief, NuWho doesn't have limitless money but wow, has the Moffat era really gone for broke multiple times with both CG and practical effects.
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