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Jun 23, 2016 12:46:38 GMT
Post by acousticwolf on Jun 23, 2016 12:46:38 GMT
Postal vote, but yeah, I sure voted, I think this is the most important issue that I've ever voted on. I agree, so I've created a poll to see if people have voted or will not vote. I do not want to know who you voted for (unless you want to share), but I am curious if anyone not voting would like to share their reasons for not doing. It's purely for curiosity and your answers are anonymous (unless you post them in the thread). Cheers Tony
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Jun 23, 2016 13:48:28 GMT
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 23, 2016 13:48:28 GMT
4 for 4 so far.
Triumph for democracy?
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Jun 23, 2016 13:59:54 GMT
Post by muckypup on Jun 23, 2016 13:59:54 GMT
4 for 4 so far. Triumph for democracy? Or a cry for change
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Jun 23, 2016 14:00:34 GMT
Post by jasonward on Jun 23, 2016 14:00:34 GMT
The poll will be biased towards those that have voted, since those that have not voted have a) demonstrated a propensity for not voting b) are probably uninterested by the Brexit debate and less likely to be looking at this thread.
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Jun 23, 2016 14:03:15 GMT
Post by jasonward on Jun 23, 2016 14:03:15 GMT
4 for 4 so far. Triumph for democracy? Or a cry for change That's a none sequitur, the first is about partaking in the vote regardless, and the second is about getting the result you want.
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Jun 23, 2016 14:16:21 GMT
Post by acousticwolf on Jun 23, 2016 14:16:21 GMT
The poll will be biased towards those that have voted, since those that have not voted have a) demonstrated a propensity for not voting b) are probably uninterested by the Brexit debate and less likely to be looking at this thread. Not necessarily ... and it isn't like anyone is going to base the result on this poll anyway (apart from maybe the BBC lol) Cheers Tony
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Jun 23, 2016 15:40:53 GMT
Post by muckypup on Jun 23, 2016 15:40:53 GMT
That's a none sequitur, the first is about partaking in the vote regardless, and the second is about getting the result you want. yeah granted, but I know quite a few people who have never voted before or given up voting who have actually gone and voted for this. that's what I meant by change, for once people fell their vote is worth while. it will still be most likely a pack of lies and broken promises who ever wins.....but just for once it fells important and not just more of the same as an election feels. had to laugh an the news article today about "don't use a pencil"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 16:25:23 GMT
The only reason we're having this referendum is because Cameron was hemorrhaging right-wingers to UKIP when he was on the fence about having a referendum at all (he'd promised one before and not delivered) and had to appeal to them somehow. He threw them this bone, scraped a majority and we ended up here. The only bright spark here is that the likes of Boris and Gove may be damaged enough to not be frontliners for the forseeable. Whatever the Tories say, their party is easily the most divided now. If there was a strong opposition, we could well be watching the last days of the Tories here but, no, Labour can't decide whether they'd rather beat Cameron or their own leader up more. "A house divided.." and all that. To see the negative campaign from both sides has been disheartening at best. They've learned from the Better Together team that all you need to do to win is to scare people who don't know better.
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Jun 23, 2016 17:07:26 GMT
Post by muckypup on Jun 23, 2016 17:07:26 GMT
The only reason we're having this referendum is because Cameron was hemorrhaging right-wingers to UKIP when he was on the fence about having a referendum at all (he'd promised one before and not delivered) and had to appeal to them somehow. He threw them this bone, scraped a majority and we ended up here. The only bright spark here is that the likes of Boris and Gove may be damaged enough to not be frontliners for the forseeable. Whatever the Tories say, their party is easily the most divided now. If there was a strong opposition, we could well be watching the last days of the Tories here but, no, Labour can't decide whether they'd rather beat Cameron or their own leader up more. "A house divided.." and all that. To see the negative campaign from both sides has been disheartening at best. They've learned from the Better Together team that all you need to do to win is to scare people who don't know better. Boris has really show himself for the blundering idiot he is, but I actually thing Gove has done himself some good, I despised the man before and I now its not exactly like, but I think out of all the debates he was the one most able to give a decent case to leave. some of the others from both camps just delighted is shouting down and spouting usual political spin, why do these idiots think behaving like school kids is the acceptable face of politics. my biggest joy is I think that George Osbourne has shown his true colours and hopefully his days are numbered.
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Jun 23, 2016 17:22:29 GMT
Post by Hieronymus on Jun 23, 2016 17:22:29 GMT
As an American ... everything I know about Brexit comes from John Oliver. I didn't even know what "Brexit" meant until John Oliver discussed it. I thought it was a candidate's surname.
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Jun 23, 2016 17:26:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 17:26:56 GMT
Gove said that the reason most economists are in favour of the EU is because they're bought and paid for - then compared them to scientists the Nazis used for experiments in the 30s. He's been front page news for those crass, offensive comments. I'm not sure how that equates to him coming out looking good And, remember, it's not like people like him or Boris, or Nigel were starting on an even keel on this campaign. We've all known their disgusting, wicked politics for a long time before the referendum. Gove messed up his portfolio for Education - most teachers wouldn't pee on him if he was on fire - and is currently doing the same for Justice. Roll on tomorrow when the Tory-cide begins.
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Jun 23, 2016 17:34:16 GMT
Post by jasonward on Jun 23, 2016 17:34:16 GMT
Tory-cide - yeah, perhaps inevitable, but I'm not sure what can replace them, I'm not at all sure that the electorate at large will ever vote for Corbyn. I suspect/fear that England will lurch further to the right, Scotland will split for sure, and if we do leave the EU I'm kinda expecting Wales and NI to do the same, perhaps even forming their own GB but not England union (I call the acronym GBXE for that) and to negotiate their own membership of the EU.
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Jun 23, 2016 17:47:03 GMT
Post by aztec on Jun 23, 2016 17:47:03 GMT
Tory-cide - yeah, perhaps inevitable, but I'm not sure what can replace them, I'm not at all sure that the electorate at large will ever vote for Corbyn. I suspect/fear that England will lurch further to the right, Scotland will split for sure, and if we do leave the EU I'm kinda expecting Wales and NI to do the same, perhaps even forming their own GB but not England union (I call the acronym GBXE for that) and to negotiate their own membership of the EU. I don't think Wales and N.Ireland could afford to leave the UK for the forseeable future, IIRC the UK puts more money into each than it gets back in return, take away EU funding and the political climate of Northern Ireland and you'd have to wonder how feasible a split would be, I'm inclined to think the UK Goverment would try and block a second Scotland Rerefendum reasoning it would be better to wait for a few years and see if the economy settles down. And yes I voted, 46 million are registered to vote, and some were forecasting a 85-90% turnout...I hope some of the 1000's at Glastonbury at least considered doing a postal vote. Really curious about the results...whatever happens at least the Davey the Pig man might get the boot...
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Jun 23, 2016 17:49:53 GMT
Post by aztec on Jun 23, 2016 17:49:53 GMT
As an American, I don't really know or care much about whether or not Britain stays in the EU, but everything I know about Brexit comes from John Oliver. Going off on a tangent here, but I always find it amusing how popular/famous Oliver is in America, he's always brought up as some sort of bastion of British knowledge and culture that crosses the ocean both ways when in truth the vast majority of Brits would have little to no idea who he is, other than being one of the less funny blokes on early episodes of Mock The Week...
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Jun 23, 2016 18:00:23 GMT
Post by jasonward on Jun 23, 2016 18:00:23 GMT
I watched John Olives take on the Brexit referendum earlier in the week, the thing that struck me, is despite the US platform and apparent audience, how much it was addressed to the UK electorate. For me, it would have been more powerful as an insight into British politics if it had squarely aimed itself as informing the US audience and not as a near campaigning piece.
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Jun 23, 2016 18:00:26 GMT
Post by muckypup on Jun 23, 2016 18:00:26 GMT
Gove said that the reason most economists are in favour of the EU is because they're bought and paid for - then compared them to scientists the Nazis used for experiments in the 30s. He's been front page news for those crass, offensive comments. I'm not sure how that equates to him coming out looking good And, remember, it's not like people like him or Boris, or Nigel were starting on an even keel on this campaign. We've all known their disgusting, wicked politics for a long time before the referendum. Gove messed up his portfolio for Education - most teachers wouldn't pee on him if he was on fire - and is currently doing the same for Justice. Roll on tomorrow when the Tory-cide begins. yeah silly comments.....but am getting sick of this PC-ness, its an easy way for papers/TV to try and discredit their latest target. How many of us have not referred to someone as a little hitler, nazi police, etc sometime in our past. they should know better but it's hardly crime of the century, the fact that they are politicians is a crime but that another story over the past few weeks I have seen various people referred to other sickening tyrants of the past, but to refer to them as Attila the honeys or Ghengis Khan is acceptable I get annoyed at people getting outraged on others behalf. it's smoke screen for much of the time. it's easy put downs, and to be realistic for a minute spend any time in a factory, building site or pub, you will hear much much worse all told in the name of humour. but I didn't say I liked him I just thought he spoke well and evaded less questions than many others have, that's all. but yep bring on the tory-side, labour-side & pointless politician-cide too.....
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Jun 23, 2016 18:09:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 18:09:16 GMT
Yeah, but Gove didn't just call someone a half-hearted name. - he lied about the credibility of many of the world's greatest economists while failing to name a single one who supported Brexit. He invoked Nazi tactics to smear anyone who doubted his (non-existent) numbers. He's a scumbag and will be the fall-guy tomorrow. Boris will blunder on and fool people, as he always does, into thinking he's just an amiable bufoon. Farage can't go any lower either so it's Gove that will be the high profile loser. He'll be out of his cabinet position soon enough.
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Post by aztec on Jun 23, 2016 18:15:41 GMT
I wonder if Farage will resign in protest then be shortly reinstated again...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 18:16:00 GMT
Tory-cide - yeah, perhaps inevitable, but I'm not sure what can replace them, I'm not at all sure that the electorate at large will ever vote for Corbyn. I suspect/fear that England will lurch further to the right, Scotland will split for sure, and if we do leave the EU I'm kinda expecting Wales and NI to do the same, perhaps even forming their own GB but not England union (I call the acronym GBXE for that) and to negotiate their own membership of the EU. I don't think Wales and N.Ireland could afford to leave the UK for the forseeable future, IIRC the UK puts more money into each than it gets back in return, take away EU funding and the political climate of Northern Ireland and you'd have to wonder how feasible a split would be, I'm inclined to think the UK Goverment would try and block a second Scotland Rerefendum reasoning it would be better to wait for a few years and see if the economy settles down. And yes I voted, 46 million are registered to vote, and some were forecasting a 85-90% turnout...I hope some of the 1000's at Glastonbury at least considered doing a postal vote. Really curious about the results...whatever happens at least the Davey the Pig man might get the boot... 100%. Northern Ireland and Wales don't have the resources to go it alone and even Leann Wood doesn't advocate Welsh independence anytime soon. Scotland could easily split but I think that's inevitable now anyway given the demographics from the 2014 vote. Brexit would just speed it up. The landscape in a few short years could well be radically different. Cameron's going to try and claim this as a victory. He'll act like he stole the show - but it's really petty theft. No-one has been engaged or enthused. It's been a dirty, nasty campaign on both camps.
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Jun 23, 2016 18:19:18 GMT
Post by muckypup on Jun 23, 2016 18:19:18 GMT
Yeah, but Gove didn't just call someone a half-hearted name. - he lied about the credibility of many of the world's greatest economists while failing to name a single one who supported Brexit. He invoked Nazi tactics to smear anyone who doubted his (non-existent) numbers. He's a scumbag and will be the fall-guy tomorrow. Boris will blunder on and fool people, as he always does, into thinking he's just an amiable bufoon. Farage can't go any lower either so it's Gove that will be the high profile loser. He'll be out of his cabinet position soon enough. and rightly so. I would be glad to see the back of the lot of em! don't get me wrong I am not sticking up for any of them.
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