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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 6, 2016 0:37:12 GMT
I'd imagine they'd keep it bombast because it would be odd if the music became drastically different at this point. Though I think if this is basically a whole new rebrand, with the only continuing element of the era being Pearl Mackie as Bill. (I'm basing this off the idea that Capaldi'll leave. To be honest, his Doctor isn't really a new incarnation. He literally just makes speeches, acts quirky and grumpy. Literally, every Doctor). I reckon, if Capaldi leaves, the new Doctor'll be Paterson Joseph (Johnson from Peep Show). I don't think Paterson Joseph will be cast as the Doctor. I think they'll go for a woman next. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 1:27:37 GMT
Though I think if this is basically a whole new rebrand, with the only continuing element of the era being Pearl Mackie as Bill. (I'm basing this off the idea that Capaldi'll leave. To be honest, his Doctor isn't really a new incarnation. He literally just makes speeches, acts quirky and grumpy. Literally, every Doctor). I reckon, if Capaldi leaves, the new Doctor'll be Paterson Joseph (Johnson from Peep Show). I don't think Paterson Joseph will be cast as the Doctor. I think they'll go for a woman next. Helen Mirren would be ideal if they could grab her. I was just watching The Hundred-Foot Journey and her character, Madame Mallory, has more than a touch of Pertwee about her. As an experiment, I'm far more comfortable with Chibnall having a shot at it than Moffat purely based on their writing styles. Honestly, if it was me swooping in to produce the show, I'd like the new incarnation to be a cross of Patrick McGoohan and Alan Moore. Tricky, but it'd be something of substance at least. Poor Capaldi has been doing the best with what he's got, but his Doctor was at first almost every criticism levelled against TV!Six and later just the Eleventh Doctor again. Above all else, I'd just like to be moved by the programme again. I went back to re-read The Witch Hunters and I was surprised by just how angry it was able to make me through the injustices wrought upon those in Salem and how comforting it was to read of the Doctor, Ian, Susan and Barbara struggle against a very real and frightening darkness -- human hysteria. I suddenly remembered that these were characters (not soapboxes) I'd fallen in love with over the course of their adventures. People you could rally behind and cheer on, despite their own perfectly understandable failings. Nowadays, I'm not cheering for anyone and that's incredibly sad for me personally because it means the show has lost its way. With a few exceptions here and there, it got safe and it got shallow. I don't think they even really understand the Doctor's character anymore. I'm not asking for every week to be The Talons of Weng-Chiang, I would just like to care about the Doctor and his companions again. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 6, 2016 9:37:11 GMT
I don't think Paterson Joseph will be cast as the Doctor. I think they'll go for a woman next. Helen Mirren would be ideal if they could grab her. I was just watching The Hundred-Foot Journey and her character, Madame Mallory, has more than a touch of Pertwee about her. As an experiment, I'm far more comfortable with Chibnall having a shot at it than Moffat purely based on their writing styles. Honestly, if it was me swooping in to produce the show, I'd like the new incarnation to be a cross of Patrick McGoohan and Alan Moore. Tricky, but it'd be something of substance at least. Poor Capaldi has been doing the best with what he's got, but his Doctor was at first almost every criticism levelled against TV!Six and later just the Eleventh Doctor again. Above all else, I'd just like to be moved by the programme again. I went back to re-read The Witch Hunters and I was surprised by just how angry it was able to make me through the injustices wrought upon those in Salem and how comforting it was to read of the Doctor, Ian, Susan and Barbara struggle against a very real and frightening darkness -- human hysteria. I suddenly remembered that these were characters (not soapboxes) I'd fallen in love with over the course of their adventures. People you could rally behind and cheer on, despite their own perfectly understandable failings. Nowadays, I'm not cheering for anyone and that's incredibly sad for me personally because it means the show has lost its way. With a few exceptions here and there, it got safe and it got shallow. I don't think they even really understand the Doctor's character anymore. I'm not asking for every week to be The Talons of Weng-Chiang, I would just like to care about the Doctor and his companions again. Each to their own. I find Peter Capaldi an excellent Doctor and certainly not 11th Doctor Mark 2. I thought 12 and Clara made for a great TARDIS team and a TARDIS crew I found easy to care for. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 10:14:48 GMT
Helen Mirren doing 9 months of filming Doctor Who on cold Cardiff nights? Would never happen. I don't think you just "grab" actors of her caliber. We're not getting film stars (especially in their 70s!) as The Doctor any time soon.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 10:54:59 GMT
Each to their own. I find Peter Capaldi an excellent Doctor and certainly not 11th Doctor Mark 2. I thought 12 and Clara made for a great TARDIS team and a TARDIS crew I found easy to care for. That's fair. I adore Capaldi's acting (he makes Cardinal Richelieu feel like a morally grey Blake's 7 character), I just wish he had more to do in the role. The Twelfth Doctor's personality seems rather thin compared to his predecessors, flipping between Smith-like (more so last year than anywhere else) and a Holmes expy. He's had strong stories like Heaven Sent at his back, but I feel there's so much more that could be accomplished with his incarnation than has been so far. Helen Mirren doing 9 months of filming Doctor Who on cold Cardiff nights? Would never happen. I don't think you just "grab" actors of her caliber. We're not getting film stars (especially in their 70s!) as The Doctor any time soon. Ah, well. We can but dream. I'm sure there are other wonderful actresses perfectly suited to the role. Less experimentally, I'd have loved to have seen David Warner in the role as an official Doctor, but I think that ship has sadly sailed as well. |
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 6, 2016 10:58:04 GMT
I don't think Paterson Joseph will be cast as the Doctor. I think they'll go for a woman next. To be honest, I don't think casting a woman would be a particularly good idea... First of all, it'd probably send some of the viewers, who watch the show, off it. The thing is that most people who want a female Doctor wouldn't watch the show if it was male or female. Also, the show is in a bit of trouble in terms of ratings. And before you say it isn't: Steven Moffat has said it is. And, if it were to continue next season, it would almost certainly not turn out well. Besides, Paterson Joseph is probably more likely to attract viewers, sincce he is quite known for the aformentioned role he plays in Peep Show. He's also appeared in a couple of other things. If he was the Doctor, I think we might actually get somewhere in terms of the comedic aspect for the first time in years, since Smith and Capaldi always came off as cringey. I mean the general public's perception of Capaldi is pretty much just a grumpy old man from Scotland, who has big eyebrows, and played Malcolm Tucker. I feel you're being a tad overgeneralizing. 12 has plenty of fans, if you'd care to browse just about any forum, comments section or even fan images. Humour is as subjective as subjective gets, so what some may not find funny, others will (again, a casual search of 12 videos will confirm that). Plus, the public's perception of the Doctor is usually defined by a few quirks anyway. Perception is, by its definition, superficial. For example, when the average person thinks of Four, they think teeth, curls and Jelly Babies, not 'Do I have the right?' |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 6, 2016 12:27:25 GMT
I don't think Paterson Joseph will be cast as the Doctor. I think they'll go for a woman next. To be honest, I don't think casting a woman would be a particularly good idea... First of all, it'd probably send some of the viewers, who watch the show, off it. The thing is that most people who want a female Doctor wouldn't watch the show if it was male or female. Also, the show is in a bit of trouble in terms of ratings. And before you say it isn't: Steven Moffat has said it is. And, if it were to continue next season, it would almost certainly not turn out well. Besides, Paterson Joseph is probably more likely to attract viewers, sincce he is quite known for the aformentioned role he plays in Peep Show. He's also appeared in a couple of other things. If he was the Doctor, I think we might actually get somewhere in terms of the comedic aspect for the first time in years, since Smith and Capaldi always came off as cringey. I mean the general public's perception of Capaldi is pretty much just a grumpy old man from Scotland, who has big eyebrows, and played Malcolm Tucker. If this were ten years' ago, I could see your point. Now, however, I see no reason why a female Doctor wouldn't work. The show has firmly established in the Moffat era that Time Lords can regenerate into the opposite sex, so viewers are used to the idea. Missy has also been a huge success as the first female Master; the next logical step is the first female Doctor. As for the viewing figures, I'm in the camp that says they haven't gone down: it's just that the way people watch TV has changed. There's catch-up, BBC iPlayer, DVD/Blu-ray/Hard Drive recorders etc... now. (Having said that, I have no idea why thirteen million people are so fascinated with people baking cakes that they have to tune in live to watch it. Even I can bake a cake and I'm hopeless in the kitchen...) I've never really seen Paterson Joseph as that popular. If you were to cast any black actor as the next Doctor based on their popularity, Idris Elba would surely be the top choice (I don't think he'd suit the role of Doctor though). |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 6, 2016 14:01:07 GMT
If this were ten years' ago, I could see your point. Now, however, I see no reason why a female Doctor wouldn't work. The show has firmly established in the Moffat era that Time Lords can regenerate into the opposite sex, so viewers are used to the idea. Missy has also been a huge success as the first female Master; the next logical step is the first female Doctor. As for the viewing figures, I'm in the camp that says they haven't gone down: it's just that the way people watch TV has changed. There's catch-up, BBC iPlayer, DVD/Blu-ray/Hard Drive recorders etc... now. (Having said that, I have no idea why thirteen million people are so fascinated with people baking cakes that they have to tune in live to watch it. Even I can bake a cake and I'm hopeless in the kitchen...) I've never really seen Paterson Joseph as that popular. If you were to cast any black actor as the next Doctor based on their popularity, Idris Elba would surely be the top choice (I don't think he'd suit the role of Doctor though). Paterson Joseph is perfect for the whole, though. Casting someone who's very, very popular will only make people remember their other very, very iconic role. That's why I don't like the thought of Idris Elba, Ben Wishaw, Rory Kinnear, Helena Bonham-Carter, Helen Mirren and all the other "big-name" candidates playing the Doctor. www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5alamjWmsMy problem with Idris Elba is he tends to play characters who are too gritty. Ben Wishaw I haven't really seen in anything. Rory Kinnear doesn't really stand out as Doctor-y to me. Helena Bonham-Carter has a wonderfully quirky appearance that could work quite well. Helen Mirren tends to play too many upper-class characters who aren't the Doctor. I agree in terms of 'big name - iconic roles'; it can be hard to distinguish well-known actors from the roles they are most famous for. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 14:27:31 GMT
Patterson Joseph is much more realistic than the other names above. Even suggesting Idris Elba or the like is a waste of time, he's a film star. He couldn't be convinced to do more than 2 Luthers in the past 3 years, there's no way he'll do 9 months of a relatively (by film standards) low paying gig as The Doctor. Even Patterson Joseph, a more likely choice on paper,is now working in the US as a full cast member on Timeless which has just had a full season order. If that gets picked up for another season he'll already have a show thats filming pretty much year round so he'd be out of the running anyway.He was the bookies favourite for the 11th Doctor untillliterally the day before Matt Smith was announced so he's been strongly mooted.
It'll be a TV or stage actor who is either just at the cusp of a big-role breakthrough (Tennant or Smith) or a proven TV leading man/woman who also gets the odd film gig in support roles (Eccleston and Capaldi).
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 6, 2016 14:33:45 GMT
My problem with Idris Elba is he tends to play characters who are too gritty. Ben Wishaw I haven't really seen in anything. Rory Kinnear doesn't really stand out as Doctor-y to me. Helena Bonham-Carter has a wonderfully quirky appearance that could work quite well. Helen Mirren tends to play too many upper-class characters who aren't the Doctor. I agree in terms of 'big name - iconic roles'; it can be hard to distinguish well-known actors from the roles they are most famous for. I get what you're saying. The thing is that I don't want any big-namer to play the Doctor. And I've yet to have a convincing argument abput specifically casting a female Doctor. I mean, if I see someone who's really good, then of course. But I haven't... I mean Bonham-Carter would play it up too much, probably. I would really rate Joseph, since he's quite a bit like how I see the Doctor. The main problem with Helena Bonham Carter is if she'd just play it as Bellatrix Lestrange as a good woman. Paterson Joseph I've only seen in Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways so can't comment. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 6:04:37 GMT
Paterson Joseph is perfect for the whole, though. Casting someone who's very, very popular will only make people remember their other very, very iconic role. That's why I don't like the thought of Idris Elba, Ben Wishaw, Rory Kinnear, Helena Bonham-Carter, Helen Mirren and all the other "big-name" candidates playing the Doctor. www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5alamjWmsMy problem with Idris Elba is he tends to play characters who are too gritty. Ben Wishaw I haven't really seen in anything. Rory Kinnear doesn't really stand out as Doctor-y to me. Helena Bonham-Carter has a wonderfully quirky appearance that could work quite well. Helen Mirren tends to play too many upper-class characters who aren't the Doctor. I agree in terms of 'big name - iconic roles'; it can be hard to distinguish well-known actors from the roles they are most famous for. Idris Elba... I dunno, he's certainly got the presence you'd need for such a role, but I think he'd be better suited to a companion role rather than the Doctor. Ben Wishaw feels a little too much like the Eleventh Doctor all over again and it's a bit too soon to go back to that kind of incarnation just yet, although again there's always the companion role. With respect to him as a person, Rory Kinnear seems to fade a little too often into the background for my liking. Helena Bonham-Carter suffers from being a name actor (i.e. Bruce Willis or Johnny Depp) where the character's identity is more or less wholly irrelevant to the story. Helen Mirren was a favourite with me because of that Pertwee snobbishness she'd be able to pull off (I could just see some reverse sternness where she's telling a male companion to stop fooling about), but @davygallagher pointed out the real world problems with that... Hmm... It's a funny old thing because everyone's got a very different idea of what they think the Doctor should be. To me, an actor like Peter Woodward or Alexander Siddig would do very nicely in the role. A distance -- sometimes cosmic, sometimes parochial -- that slowly softens as you get to better know the character. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 11:43:14 GMT
I think - as somebody mentioned above - the next Doctor won't be a 'big' name and is likely to be an up and coming actor. The BBC in the present climate wouldn't want the show's budget blown on the main star's salary for one thing and also, a big name (like Idris Elba) in demand for films, just wouldn't do a TV show for most of the year. But personally, Idris Elba would be great as a more gritty Doctor, but I know it's not going to happen.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 7, 2016 12:14:47 GMT
My problem with Idris Elba is he tends to play characters who are too gritty. Ben Wishaw I haven't really seen in anything. Rory Kinnear doesn't really stand out as Doctor-y to me. Helena Bonham-Carter has a wonderfully quirky appearance that could work quite well. Helen Mirren tends to play too many upper-class characters who aren't the Doctor. I agree in terms of 'big name - iconic roles'; it can be hard to distinguish well-known actors from the roles they are most famous for. Idris Elba... I dunno, he's certainly got the presence you'd need for such a role, but I think he'd be better suited to a companion role rather than the Doctor. Ben Wishaw feels a little too much like the Eleventh Doctor all over again and it's a bit too soon to go back to that kind of incarnation just yet, although again there's always the companion role. With respect to him as a person, Rory Kinnear seems to fade a little too often into the background for my liking. Helena Bonham-Carter suffers from being a name actor (i.e. Bruce Willis or Johnny Depp) where the character's identity is more or less wholly irrelevant to the story. Helen Mirren was a favourite with me because of that Pertwee snobbishness she'd be able to pull off (I could just see some reverse sternness where she's telling a male companion to stop fooling about), but @davygallagher pointed out the real world problems with that... Hmm... It's a funny old thing because everyone's got a very different idea of what they think the Doctor should be. To me, an actor like Peter Woodward or Alexander Siddig would do very nicely in the role. A distance -- sometimes cosmic, sometimes parochial -- that slowly softens as you get to better know the character. We talked about Peter Woodward before didnt we? in regards to how he played the Technomage in Crusade? For male actors I'd say either Him or James D'arcy and female actors I'd say Karla Crome |
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Post by acousticwolf on Nov 7, 2016 12:24:30 GMT
We talked about Peter Woodward before didnt we? in regards to how he played the Technomage in Crusade? I'm not ready for Capaldi to go just yet, but I'd like to see Peter Woodward in the role Cheers Tony |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 13:02:51 GMT
Idris Elba... I dunno, he's certainly got the presence you'd need for such a role, but I think he'd be better suited to a companion role rather than the Doctor. Ben Wishaw feels a little too much like the Eleventh Doctor all over again and it's a bit too soon to go back to that kind of incarnation just yet, although again there's always the companion role. With respect to him as a person, Rory Kinnear seems to fade a little too often into the background for my liking. Helena Bonham-Carter suffers from being a name actor (i.e. Bruce Willis or Johnny Depp) where the character's identity is more or less wholly irrelevant to the story. Helen Mirren was a favourite with me because of that Pertwee snobbishness she'd be able to pull off (I could just see some reverse sternness where she's telling a male companion to stop fooling about), but @davygallagher pointed out the real world problems with that... Hmm... It's a funny old thing because everyone's got a very different idea of what they think the Doctor should be. To me, an actor like Peter Woodward or Alexander Siddig would do very nicely in the role. A distance -- sometimes cosmic, sometimes parochial -- that slowly softens as you get to better know the character. We talked about Peter Woodward before didnt we? in regards to how he played the Technomage in Crusade? For male actors I'd say either Him or James D'arcy and female actors I'd say Karla Crome That's the man.  I reckon Galen would have been right at home standing at the TARDIS console. I hadn't considered James D'Arcy, he's certainly got the bearing for it. I think I'll have to look up Karla Crome. |
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 7, 2016 15:03:50 GMT
We talked about Peter Woodward before didnt we? in regards to how he played the Technomage in Crusade? I'm not ready for Capaldi to go just yet, but I'd like to see Peter Woodward in the role Cheers Tony I'd only want him after at least 2 more seasons of Capaldi |
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 7, 2016 15:17:44 GMT
We talked about Peter Woodward before didnt we? in regards to how he played the Technomage in Crusade? For male actors I'd say either Him or James D'arcy and female actors I'd say Karla Crome That's the man. I reckon Galen would have been right at home standing at the TARDIS console. I hadn't considered James D'Arcy, he's certainly got the bearing for it. I think I'll have to look up Karla Crome. Karla Crome was recently in The Level on ITV and before that people remember her more from the last two series of Misfits on E4 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 15:23:50 GMT
I liked Peter W in the B5 spinoffs but I don't see them casting someone older than Capadli next, nor someone who's biggest successes were nearly 20 years ago and even then were only familiar to pretty intense genre-hounds. Imagine the live show to announce the new Doctor like we got in 2013 and Zoe Ball says "It's......Peter Woodward!". A nation would shrug. I think Alexander Siddig, mentioned above, makes more sense - higher profile, bit younger, and would get them diversity points but I think they will skew a bit younger this time and cast someone in their 30s. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 15:40:05 GMT
I think their wages may be a tad out of the reach of the show but James D'Arcy and Hugh Dancy at least seem the "types" that you'd think would be considered. Handsome (tumblr friendly!), good actors, worked on big projects without becoming too big....I'd think they'd be decent if a tad safe as choices. Plus if he's cast James has already met his earlier self and faced The Master in one fell swoop.  |
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Nov 8, 2016 11:50:34 GMT
I hope Chibnall gives the series a more serious angle. Enough with the stupid catchphrases - Madman in a box, Spoilers, Squee etc.
You can have humour, but it has to be underplayed.
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I reckon Galen would have been right at home standing at the TARDIS console. I hadn't considered James D'Arcy, he's certainly got the bearing for it. I think I'll have to look up Karla Crome.
