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Post by Timelord007 on Jul 10, 2016 12:34:12 GMT
So the Doctor unregenerates...oh hang on thats a Seventh Doctor audio drama, this is getting very timey wimey, i must lie down & induce a comatose state or asmr relaxation.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 10, 2016 12:50:40 GMT
Alright, alright chaps, let's try and stay on topic. This is a Chibnail thread, not a regeneration one.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 10, 2016 12:52:05 GMT
I do also think it'll be interesting to see how Chibnail handles the much more global quality of New Who, both in its audience as well as in its scope. Will he do more America stories, or be much more explorational with other nations?
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 10, 2016 13:30:45 GMT
Alright, alright chaps, let's try and stay on topic. This is a Chibnail thread, not a regeneration one. It's very topical if it turns out to be true. If Moffat did regenerate/rejuvenate Capaldi to Smith, then this would have an impact on Chibnall. What if Chibnall agrees, or even instigates the change?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 10, 2016 13:34:49 GMT
If Peter Capaldi regenerates, the new Doctor won't be Matt Smith. After The General and the Master have both regenerated into female bodies, the Doctor has to be the next step.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 10, 2016 13:44:17 GMT
If Peter Capaldi regenerates, the new Doctor won't be Matt Smith. After The General and the Master have both regenerated into female bodies, the Doctor has to be the next step. Sheer speculation! Gonna lose so many viewers!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 10, 2016 13:49:56 GMT
If Peter Capaldi regenerates, the new Doctor won't be Matt Smith. After The General and the Master have both regenerated into female bodies, the Doctor has to be the next step. Sheer speculation! Gonna lose so many viewers! Nah, it'll be a new step for the show but a revolutionary one that will help Doctor Who remain fresh and full of new ideas after 53 years on television.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 10, 2016 13:55:58 GMT
Sheer speculation! Gonna lose so many viewers! Nah, it'll be a new step for the show but a revolutionary one that will help Doctor Who remain fresh and full of new ideas after 53 years on television. The Final End!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 10, 2016 14:07:49 GMT
Nah, it'll be a new step for the show but a revolutionary one that will help Doctor Who remain fresh and full of new ideas after 53 years on television. The Final End! People said the same about William Hartnell-Patrick Troughton according to comments widely available from the time yet it worked. A female Doctor would work also - case in point: Michelle Gomez as Missy.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 10, 2016 17:01:21 GMT
People said the same about William Hartnell-Patrick Troughton according to comments widely available from the time yet it worked. A female Doctor would work also - case in point: Michelle Gomez as Missy. Not everyone has accepted Missy. Many people I have spoken to aren't happy with Missy, or what Moffat has been doing with Capaldi and co. Many have said they will switch off, if the Doctor becomes a woman.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 10, 2016 18:04:42 GMT
People said the same about William Hartnell-Patrick Troughton according to comments widely available from the time yet it worked. A female Doctor would work also - case in point: Michelle Gomez as Missy. Not everyone has accepted Missy. Many people I have spoken to aren't happy with Missy, or what Moffat has been doing with Capaldi and co. Many have said they will switch off, if the Doctor becomes a woman. I've seen more online who like Missy than don't.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 10, 2016 19:20:22 GMT
Not everyone has accepted Missy. Many people I have spoken to aren't happy with Missy, or what Moffat has been doing with Capaldi and co. Many have said they will switch off, if the Doctor becomes a woman. I've seen more online who like Missy than don't. We're obviously reading different forums and comments.
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Post by elkawho on Jul 10, 2016 21:07:32 GMT
I think I've made these comments before, but I'll say it again. I am a woman. I love both Classic and Modern Who but I don't want to see a female Doctor. I have begrugingly accepted Missy, although I still wish it hadn't been done. But I may be one of those that turns it off if The Doctor regenerates into a woman. I think it's a terrible idea.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jul 10, 2016 23:33:17 GMT
We've some fine lassies already who can run a TARDIS, and at least two of them can run a planet (granted that the show hasn't had enough of that recently). Just gonna add: People who prefer NuWho are likely to love Missy. People who prefer Classic Who are likely to hate Missy. That does seem to be true often enough but to be fair I think it's what they've done with Missy's character that I'm tempted to dislike. I need to watch those episodes again (sigh) and have another try at making peace with Missy but the impression I've been left with thus far is that not only has The Master's form changed, but his persona seemingly has too in such a way it seems to want to try to rewrite The Master's motivations since day one, which might naturally be a put-off for people familiar with the Classic series. Meanwhile I continue to think that Missy was not well-thought out past the initial surprise and most likely some silliness has tried to settle into that void, and this certainly does cause me concern to think the same thing might happen with The Doctor unless someone were to think it through very carefully beforehand.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jul 10, 2016 23:38:50 GMT
I do also think it'll be interesting to see how Chibnail handles the much more global quality of New Who, both in its audience as well as in its scope. Will he do more America stories, or be much more explorational with other nations? It would be lovely if the TV TARDIS were to land in more diverse locations on Earth sometimes. I expect though that The Doctor will probably remain Anglocentric for the same apparent reason he's often also geocentric (i.e., budgetary concerns)?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 0:32:32 GMT
I do also think it'll be interesting to see how Chibnail handles the much more global quality of New Who, both in its audience as well as in its scope. Will he do more America stories, or be much more explorational with other nations? Would it be lovely if the TV TARDIS were to land in more diverse locations on Earth sometimes. I' expect though that The Doctor will probably remain Anglocentric for the same apparent reason he's often also geocentric (i.e., budgetary concerns)? The budget is a big factor, but I think it's more also a question of knowledge. If you think about it, how many Doctor Who stories have delved into prominent Asiatic historical events from the perspective of those native to the region? The Shadow of Weng-Chiang is the only story that springs to mind for me, showing us of the lead-up to the Second World War from a predominantly Chinese perspective. If they are going to realistically explore a real world culture, writers either have to possess a working knowledge of the location in question via travelogues and other researchable sources (and even then you're going to get things like the "Australian jungle") or have been born/spent enough time living within that non-European society to understand its nuances through cultural osmosis. Few European writers would know why people don't talk about the Lubyanka building in Russia, why Egypt is sometimes referred to as Rahab, what function a Pangool serves in Serer religion in Africa or the life and trials of the semi-mythical Ishikawa Goemon of Japan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 0:40:10 GMT
Of course the perfect thing to do if The Doctor was to change gender would be to handle it in the same way as if The Doctor changed race - not make an issue out of it. If the story and the actor are strong enough there's no reason why it shouldn't work, if the writer constantly draws attention to the fact then it can feel like they don't have enough confidence in what they're doing. So if we did get a female Doctor, just get on with her being The Doctor without a barrage of 1980s sitcom battle of the sexes style jokes, have the companion of the moment be initially surprised by the change to allow audience identification, but then by the second episode just have it be The Doctor is a woman and The Doctor is still The Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 0:57:29 GMT
Of course the perfect thing to do if The Doctor was to change gender would be to handle it in the same way as if The Doctor changed race - not make an issue out of it. If the story and the actor are strong enough there's no reason why it shouldn't work, if the writer constantly draws attention to the fact then it can feel like they don't have enough confidence in what they're doing. So if we did get a female Doctor, just get on with her being The Doctor without a barrage of 1980s sitcom battle of the sexes style jokes, have the companion of the moment be initially surprised by the change to allow audience identification, but then by the second episode just have it be The Doctor is a woman and The Doctor is still The Doctor. I gave the topic a great deal of thought and that was the conclusion I came to as well. I was resistant to the idea, not because I don't like the idea of a female Doctor, but because I think it would be handled disastrously. You would get a string of very poor jokes that would alienate viewers against both the character and the show; enough to leave a really bad taste in people's mouths for a very long time, if not handled in just the right way. Unfortunately, this can't be handled in the same way that people advocating for a black, female James Bond can; i.e. by making an entirely different character for an entirely different film series who is also a globetrotting spy. My biggest fear is that the Thirteenth Doctor will suffer "hijinks" a la Let's Kill Hitler or have her single defining characteristic be "a woman", which is never, ever a good idea.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 11, 2016 9:36:06 GMT
It'll be interestung if Chibnall had a woman DW. Considering, he gave us a bikini clad Cyberwoman, but went on tv to say how stupid the Kandy Man was. Its too coversial for Chibnalls first series, but I'm still convinced Moffat will do at least one episode with a woman Doctor. Even, if not a regeneration, some kind of temporary body swap.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 11, 2016 11:12:20 GMT
Just gonna add: People who prefer NuWho are likely to love Missy. People who prefer Classic Who are likely to hate Missy. The General Public/The Casual Viewers are confounded by Missy and have mostly given up on the show by this point. Most of the people watching the show are life-long viewers. To be honest, I don't find it that inviting to the public, as a lot of storylines that are heavily promoted link to previous stories that need to be viewed. The fanbase is bigger than ever, I'll definitely say. But I think the viewership of the General Public is probably at its lowest in a while. Everything here is speculation. I think you'll find a lot of people who prefer the classic series and like Missy. She's very similar to Roger Degaldo's Master. I also wouldn't say casual viewers are confused by Missy. Quite the opposite, actually. A lot of casual viewers love Missy. Michelle Gomez has been nominated for numerous awards, including the BAFTAs (the panel will be made up of casual viewers rather than Whovians). I think the stories are perfectly fine for the casual audience. For example, in The Magician's Apprentice/The Witch's Familiar the speech from Genesis of the Daleks is shown so that they understand what the episode is based on. If they are still confused about the link to a previous serial after that then they are pudding brains and shouldn't be watching an intelligent show like Doctor Who.
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