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Post by Tim Bradley on Aug 4, 2016 11:41:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 17:15:39 GMT
Hmm, I'm on holiday at the moment so don't have access to it, but have list of dates for when many of the audios are set, and offhand I think I remember that All Consuming Fire is set much earlier.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 0:00:08 GMT
Hmm, I'm on holiday at the moment so don't have access to it, but have list of dates for when many of the audios are set, and offhand I think I remember that All Consuming Fire is set much earlier. Let's see... The novel places Mr. Sherlock Holmes and Dr. John Watson's first encounter with the eldritch Doctor in the Case of the All-Consuming Fire in the Year of our Lord, 1887. "The Gates of Shambahla" conversely is set in 1892, so it must take place at least before the events of The Judgement of Sherlock Holmes. The dates for some of these stories are all over the place, so I'll try and track down specifics for some of the other tales elsewhen. Sterling work as always, billy2.  |
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Post by Tim Bradley on Aug 5, 2016 7:13:03 GMT
Hmm, I'm on holiday at the moment so don't have access to it, but have list of dates for when many of the audios are set, and offhand I think I remember that All Consuming Fire is set much earlier. Let's see... The novel places Mr. Sherlock Holmes and Dr. John Watson's first encounter with the eldritch Doctor in the Case of the All-Consuming Fire in the Year of our Lord, 1887. "The Gates of Shambahla" conversely is set in 1892, so it must take place at least before the events of The Judgement of Sherlock Holmes. The dates for some of these stories are all over the place, so I'll try and track down specifics for some of the other tales elsewhen. Sterling work as always, billy2. Thanks wolfie
I've been checking some facts on where to place 'All Consuming Fire' within the Sherlock Holmes stories.
In story terms, 'A Study in Scarlet' (Book) is set in 1881 and 'The Sign of the Four' (Book) is set in 1888. Based on that, for now I've placed 'All Consuming Fire' (Book/Audio) between those two Sherlock Holmes stories with it set in 1887, according to you wolfie.
Any more details on Sherlock Holmes stories are welcome.
Many thanks.
Tim.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Aug 5, 2016 7:14:14 GMT
Hmm, I'm on holiday at the moment so don't have access to it, but have list of dates for when many of the audios are set, and offhand I think I remember that All Consuming Fire is set much earlier. That's okay! Enjoy your holiday! I look forward to hearing from you on dates of audio stories and where they're set in after you've come back. I've placed 'All Consuming Fire' a little earlier now. Tim. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 12:16:49 GMT
So the dates for adventures I've cobbleded together from a variety of sources are:
1880 Ordeals of Sherlock Holmes 1: The Guttering Candle
1883 The Speckled Band
1887 All consuming Fire (with sections set in 1843 and 1906)
1888 Holmes and the Ripper
1888 Hound of the Baskervilles
1888 The Tangled Skein
1891 The Final Problem
1894 The Empty House
1894 The Reification of Hans Gerber
1895 Ordeals of Sherlock Holmes 2: The Gamekeeper's Folly
1903 Ordeals of Sherlock Holmes 3: The Bermondsey Cut-throats
1911 Worlds of Big Finish: The Bloomsbury Bomber
1912 The Perfidious Mariner
1912 Dorian Gray: Ghosts of Christmas Past
1919 Ordeals of Sherlock Holmes 4: Sowers of Despair
1927 Worlds of Big Finish: The Feast of Magog
I don't have any information of the placement of the more recent box-sets beyond what the Big Finish website provides.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 12:19:53 GMT
Hmm, I'm on holiday at the moment so don't have access to it, but have list of dates for when many of the audios are set, and offhand I think I remember that All Consuming Fire is set much earlier. Let's see... The novel places Mr. Sherlock Holmes and Dr. John Watson's first encounter with the eldritch Doctor in the Case of the All-Consuming Fire in the Year of our Lord, 1887. "The Gates of Shambahla" conversely is set in 1892, so it must take place at least before the events of The Judgement of Sherlock Holmes. The dates for some of these stories are all over the place, so I'll try and track down specifics for some of the other tales elsewhen. Sterling work as always, billy2. Meaning Gates of Shambala is between Final Problem and empty House - I think I read somewhere the entire set is positioned in that gap, but I haven't got it so I don't know. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 16:28:34 GMT
Oh, and I note Prophet in the Rain is set in 1921 - so Sacrifice of Sherlock Holmes comes before the Feast of Magog. |
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Post by levi3o4 on Aug 8, 2016 12:49:57 GMT
Billy, just so you know - putting even just the Conan Doyle canon in order is a task that most Holmesians approach with an understanding of "this is never actually going to work," so... you've got a hell of a challenge ahead of you!
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Post by Tim Bradley on Aug 11, 2016 13:18:48 GMT
Hello everyone! I apologise for responding late. I've been busy with writing new reviews for my 'Bradley's Basement' blog. Many thanks for everybody's feedback and response to my Sherlock Holmes' timeline! I've now revamped the timeline with the suggested dates given to me about the Big Finish audios and when they're set in what year. I've also referred to another Sherlock Holmes' timeline, which contains the original novels and short stories by Arthur Conan Doyle, to help with making my version of the timeline. • www.sherlockpeoria.net/Who_is_Sherlock/SherlockTimeline.htmlI've now divided the timeline into 6 phases in terms of years for Sherlock Holmes! Hope you enjoy my revamped Sherlock Holmes timeline! Bye for now! Tim. |
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Post by fitzoliverj on Aug 13, 2016 14:08:51 GMT
There are chronological problems with "All-Consuming Fire". It's set in late 1887 (after Bloody Sunday, I think) but is quite clearly intended to be the adventure alluded to as taking place before the beginning of "The Reigate Puzzle", which takes place in Spring of that year.
The epilogue to the novel, in which Watson looks back on his adventure while writing it up, is set four years later. However, he asserts that he and Holmes are still living in Baker Street, and in fact neither of them were in 1891. It's possible that 'four' was originally '4' and was a misreading for '9' - 1896 would work quite well.
"Happy Endings" is set earlier in 1887 than ACF, so that's obviously a mistake. Holmes and Watson have not reincountered the Doctor in the coda mentioned above since ACF, so "Happy Endings" has to take place after 1891 (or 1896). I'd go by 1897.
Of course, you may choose to ignore these. So here's something more useful:
1893 - "Camera Obscura" (the eighth Doctor rents 221B Baker Street during the period Holmes is believed dead.It's not explicitly said to be his house, as I recall, but the circumstances as to the normal resident's absence is pretty clear). Incidentally, I'm pretty sure that 107 Baker Street, which appears in Big Finish audios, is one of the proposed identities for the 'real' location of 221 (which didn't really exist), and possibly may need to be similarly included.
January 1895 - events of the Sherlock Holmes novel "The West End Horror" by Nicholas Meyer (the eighth Doctor, in "The Gallifrey Chronicles", reveals that he was also involved in this case)
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