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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 10:07:41 GMT
Can BF do some of those stories? Or just do a run of stories where the Ice Warriors just randomly turn up for one reason, except the one story set on Mars. In a tale dubbed Absenteeism on the Red Planet. Well, if anyone's looking for writing seeds, there's certainly an abundance. The hoax of Black Orchid sounds a lot cooler than what we actually got: "a cross between Agatha Christie and Raiders of the Lost Ark" and The Phoenix Rises certainly seems more a possible now than ever before. I think we rather missed out in not having Eartha Kitt turn up for Mindwarp. Imagine if she'd played the mad scientist Crozier.
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Post by omega on Sept 28, 2017 10:09:30 GMT
Can BF do some of those stories? Or just do a run of stories where the Ice Warriors just randomly turn up for one reason, except the one story set on Mars. In a tale dubbed Absenteeism on the Red Planet. Well, if anyone's looking for writing seeds, there's certainly an abundance. The hoax of Black Orchid sounds a lot cooler than what we actually got: "a cross between Agatha Christie and Raiders of the Lost Ark" and The Phoenix Rises certainly seems more a possible now than ever before. I think we rather missed out in not having Eartha Kitt turn up for Mindwarp. Imagine if she'd played the mad scientist Crozier. Pull the lever!
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Sept 28, 2017 12:08:44 GMT
Ohhh dear god.... Now, I admit to liking the cascade of mental OTT fanjodrell that is the tenth Doctor comic and the twelfth Doctor comic ATM.... but the LD eleventh Dcotor turned that fanjodrell up to a level that even I couldn't cope with. {Spoiler} The eleventh Doctor is "the Other", as in the Virgin "mystery founder of Gallifrey" Other.
And Rassilon introduces himself as "Rass". While I agree it was a bit Fanjodrelly. I did find it quite interesting, although I see it slightly in a different way
{Spoiler} That The Other of the VNA's and 11th's Other/Arthur/Uther were combined in later Gallifreyan legend. So when they found reference to the name, they fought both were one and the same. Also I think "Rass" being friendly with the Doctor is to get him to fix everything and he would take the credit. Keeping him in line with how he appears later
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Sept 29, 2017 4:16:16 GMT
My problem with this is two-fold. Firstly, yes, it does feel like they're just using continuity for the heck of it. I know it wasn't too popular with anyone else, but I actually thought the 8th Doctor series was the best Titan stuff I've read because it told new stories that felt like Doctor Who instead of writing stories that feel a bit off and throwing in references to make it feel more like Doctor Who. Secondly, it contradicts everything about {Spoiler}
the concept of the Other. He's a cool potential ambiguous past for the Doctor (I think Cold Fusion uses the idea beautifully, probably even more than Lungbarrow) that throws in more mystery without ever confirming anything. What's the point of this Titan comics idea that he's just the 11th Doctor traveling back? What does that add to Gallifrey's mythos? What does it add to the Doctor's? It's just continuity referencing for continuity's referencing's sake. Edit: Changed to Spoiler just in case.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 6:49:08 GMT
My problem with this is two-fold. Firstly, yes, it does feel like they're just using continuity for the heck of it. I know it wasn't too popular with anyone else, but I actually thought the 8th Doctor series was the best Titan stuff I've read because it told new stories that felt like Doctor Who instead of writing stories that feel a bit off and throwing in references to make it feel more like Doctor Who. Secondly, it contradicts everything about the concept of the Other. He's a cool potential ambiguous past for the Doctor (I think Cold Fusion uses the idea beautifully, probably even more than Lungbarrow) that throws in more mystery without ever confirming anything. What's the point of this Titan comics idea that he's just the 11th Doctor traveling back? What does that add to Gallifrey's mythos? What does it add to the Doctor's? It's just continuity referencing for continuity's referencing's sake. I'm forced to agree. As much as I love to hear anything from Lungbarrow referenced, it does feel a bit chucked in. I think that's my biases speaking though, I was under the impression that the Other was probably: {Spoiler} the unnamed English time traveller from H.G. Wells's The Time Machine. I'm a big believer in intertextuality though ( Blake's 7 happening in the 29th century before Corpse Marker, for example), so take it with a pinch of salt.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Sept 29, 2017 7:10:40 GMT
My problem with this is two-fold. Firstly, yes, it does feel like they're just using continuity for the heck of it. I know it wasn't too popular with anyone else, but I actually thought the 8th Doctor series was the best Titan stuff I've read because it told new stories that felt like Doctor Who instead of writing stories that feel a bit off and throwing in references to make it feel more like Doctor Who. Secondly, it contradicts everything about the concept of the Other. He's a cool potential ambiguous past for the Doctor (I think Cold Fusion uses the idea beautifully, probably even more than Lungbarrow) that throws in more mystery without ever confirming anything. What's the point of this Titan comics idea that he's just the 11th Doctor traveling back? What does that add to Gallifrey's mythos? What does it add to the Doctor's? It's just continuity referencing for continuity's referencing's sake. I'm forced to agree. As much as I love to hear anything from Lungbarrow referenced, it does feel a bit chucked in. I think that's my biases speaking though, I was under the impression that the Other was probably: {Spoiler} the unnamed English time traveller from H.G. Wells's The Time Machine. I'm a big believer in intertextuality though ( Blake's 7 happening in the 29th century before Corpse Marker, for example), so take it with a pinch of salt. That theory lines up really well with the bit in Human Nature. (Which apparently was written with Steven Moffat's input).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 7:52:28 GMT
I'm forced to agree. As much as I love to hear anything from Lungbarrow referenced, it does feel a bit chucked in. I think that's my biases speaking though, I was under the impression that the Other was probably: {Spoiler} the unnamed English time traveller from H.G. Wells's The Time Machine. I'm a big believer in intertextuality though ( Blake's 7 happening in the 29th century before Corpse Marker, for example), so take it with a pinch of salt. That theory lines up really well with the bit in Human Nature. (Which apparently was written with Steven Moffat's input). I can definitely believe that. There's an unpublished story by Jim Mortimore in one of his anthologies which talks about Time Lords being born in breeding engines (the descriptions are much more frightening than looms), so I reckon a lot of ideas got shared around quite a bit between authors. I'll try and remember where the theory came from... It got jostled to the front of my memory when I read the interview with Marc Platt about The Time Machine adaptation and the story being one of his favourites. The theory was tied up in something about the Triple Goddess approach to the Doctor's lifespans. The Maiden, the Mother and the Crone or in this case, the Other, the Renegade and the Guardian. He may have once been human, become more than human and may eventually grow higher beyond even than that. *chews lip* I cannot for the life of me say where it originated from though. It's (rather ironically) a mystery.
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