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Post by levi3o4 on Aug 20, 2016 9:10:15 GMT
I'm sure this has been covered before, but I'm trying to figure out the history of the Seventh Doctor (at least in the audios) and the Victorian (or Eighth Doctor's) console room. I'm no good at identifying console rooms via sound effects, so I'm wondering if anyone could shed some light on this situation.
We have scenes implying the "first appearance" of the Victorian console room in both Excelis Decays and The Settling. Some have taken this to mean that perhaps the two stories take place one right after the other, but I'll admit I'm not quite satisfied with this theory. However, the presence of the Virgin NAs (or at least Big Finish's Novel Adaptations series and Side Steps in the Monthly Range) within mainstream continuity does offer us another option. To wit, Ace and HEx may have helped the Seventh Doctor set up a Victorian style console room, which may have been replaced by a different console room prior to or during the NAs, and then restored in Excelis Decays.
Would someone be able to tell me which Seventh Doctor stories sound as though they include the Victorian Console Room? And, more specifically, which console room is being used in the Novel Adaptations, as well as The Shadow of the Scourge and The Dark Flame? Thank you!
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Post by omega on Aug 20, 2016 9:17:47 GMT
The Settling has Ace comment that she, Hex and the Doctor have been redecorating, the inlay artwork of Forty-Five has the TARDIS doors open to the Eighth Doctor console room and House of Blue Fire has Sally remark the interior looks like a cathedral.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Aug 20, 2016 9:52:03 GMT
Klein comments on the console room as well.
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Post by omega on Aug 20, 2016 10:13:38 GMT
Klein comments on the console room as well. Klein takes place late in his timeline, closer to the end (A Thousand Tiny Wings comments that the Doctor is wearing a linen suit, which he wears in the New Adventures). Persuasion, the first story in the second Klein trilogy, has Will Arrowsmith observe that it's the console room that looks like it was based on The Time Machine (his pedantic nature has him specify which version of The Time Machine). He also isn't entirely surprised, so the Seventh Doctor has clearly let at least one UNIT employee in while using that console room. |
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Post by mark687 on Aug 20, 2016 11:31:04 GMT
This is my only BF Continuity peeve Spoilers for the Hex, the Virgin Adaptations and side trips the klein, 7th Doctor solos and the latest Mel trilogy. As stated elsewhere the console room is first featured in the Settling and features through to latest Mel Trilogy.
However Dead to the World a story in You are the Doctor and Other Stories features the introduction of the deed to the Earth that the Doctor then hands over to the Scourge in Shadow of the Scourge
But that and the other Virgin BF stories feature the normal TV console room until the kleln trilogy and the older 7th Doctor solos. Regards mark687 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 11:44:33 GMT
My theory is the TV movie console room is an update on the secondary console room, and 7 keeps swapping between that and a more classic style as the mood takes him.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Aug 20, 2016 11:59:04 GMT
In the New Adventure "The Death of Art" (the one about the Dreyfus Affair, with mentions of Poirot and Moriarty and characters from "The King in Yellow"), the seventh Doctor picks up the imagery of a cathedral and decides to keep it in case it comes in useful. This is clearly supposed to be the origin of the eighth Doctor's console room. My theory is the TV movie console room is an update on the secondary console room, and 7 keeps swapping between that and a more classic style as the mood takes him. Somewhere (the TVM? "The Dying Days"? "The Eight Doctors"?) the eighth Doctor claims his console room is the original, which directly corresponds to the fourth Doctor's claim that the secondary console room was the original. |
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Post by levi3o4 on Aug 20, 2016 15:14:55 GMT
This is my only BF Continuity peeve Spoilers for the Hex, the Virgin Adaptations and side trips the klein, 7th Doctor solos and the latest Mel trilogy. As stated elsewhere the console room is first featured in the Settling and features through to latest Mel Trilogy.
However Dead to the World a story in You are the Doctor and Other Stories features the introduction of the deed to the Earth that the Doctor then hands over to the Scourge in Shadow of the Scourge
But that and the other Virgin BF stories feature the normal TV console room until the kleln trilogy and the older 7th Doctor solos. No, see, that's perfect then! Because that implies that there's a period of time in which, yeah, the Doctor switches back to a normal TV console room, but then later (in Excelis Decays) reinstates the Eighth Doctor's console room, or at least one like it! So basically, the Ace and Hex stories aren't when the console room changes to the Eighth Doctor's permanently; they're just the beginning of an extended preview of the that console room! Thank you! |
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Post by levi3o4 on Aug 20, 2016 15:17:10 GMT
My theory is the TV movie console room is an update on the secondary console room, and 7 keeps swapping between that and a more classic style as the mood takes him. That more or less lines up with what I'm driving at, thank you! So here's the big question: which Virgin-era audios DEFINITELY use the classic series, white console room? That's critical to establish here. |
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Post by levi3o4 on Aug 22, 2016 17:42:38 GMT
Also, if this is true, doesn't this put "A THousand Tiny Wings, et al" after Excelis Decays, which is more in line with the old production codes anyway? Or do the cover images and the linen suit matter to us more?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 21:09:05 GMT
Also, if this is true, doesn't this put "A THousand Tiny Wings, et al" after Excelis Decays, which is more in line with the old production codes anyway? Or do the cover images and the linen suit matter to us more? The way he says "For the moment," to Klein after asking whether or not he's travelling alone feels to me more like mid-NAs than later. Probably during that gap where Ace is missing and Benny is off visiting a friend; i.e. prior to The Prisoner's Dilemma and The Dark Flame, but then again, there are gaps all over the place. It could easily be set in that gap at the end of All-Consuming Fire where the Doctor's taking the TARDIS back... Hmm... He seems younger somehow, less moribund and resigned than later appearances after Excelis Decays like Valhalla and Frozen Time. The resolution to the first Klein trilogy also feels very archetypal New Adventures with Klein taking centre stage for most of it. She even gets a cliffhanger all to herself. The Persuasion trilogy seems fair enough game for a penultimate placement, however. The console room swapping can be traced way back to Nightshade and his use of the tertiary console room which briefly turned up again in other stories. He also uses the secondary console room in parts of the comics and Blood Heat when he's trying to fight off history being altered around him. He's a restless old fellow, our Seventh Doctor. |
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Post by levi3o4 on Aug 23, 2016 0:35:00 GMT
Ooooooooh, good points - I didn't know about a lot of that! Thanks for the info!
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