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Post by newt5996 on Aug 25, 2016 0:04:43 GMT
First pay inequality is not an actual thing. It has been illegal since 1964 in US and 1970 in the UK. I'm guessing you are referencing that wage gap, which is a statistic reached by taking the average wages of both men and women without taking into account that women take lower paying jobs and less hours worked. Really? Data doesn't seem to back that up. Yes it is data that backs it up but what it doesn't explain is all the variables. Full time is a minimum of 40 hours. It still doesn't take into account variables of sick days, hours worked and simple variables of different companies paying different wages. Here's a video explaining why it is not a real problem much more eloquently than I could: youtu.be/58arQIr882w
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Post by newt5996 on Aug 25, 2016 0:31:50 GMT
I do however wish to thank everyone for participating in this thread as any other time I've brought up my own opinions on third wave feminism I have been called a sexist, racist, homophobic and transphobic. It's just nice to have an actual debate without name calling.
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Post by barnabaslives on Aug 25, 2016 2:22:20 GMT
I don't think I've gotten to Prison in Space yet so pay no attention to me as I literally know nothing of which I am speaking. It's an interesting discussion, though. 1. Third Wave Feminism in this context is the feminists who argue on non-issues and start things like #killallmen and #diecisscum and complains about how awful and sexist the first world is, which it really isn't. I may however be thinking of fourth wave feminism if that is a thing. That's maybe something of a polarized angle to approach it from? Misandry probably wants to put us guys on the defensive naturally (and I'm sure misandry must be just as inappropriate as misogyny). Stories about women running a planet are interesting - I think women probably should be running the world as long as this isn't wishing on them the chore of all time, I'm hugely impressed with how seldom they seem to be on about blowing things up and such - but I think you're free to interpret a lot of such stories as you like, and it sounds like Prison in Space probably included. I can see where the honorable message of being equal because we are equal in donating genetic material could easily get fairly tangled in popular memes or Hollywood stereotypes and badly lost in translation. I'm sure they start innocently enough - "What if women ran the world and it went horribly wrong?" - because of course something has to go horribly wrong or it wouldn't be an adventure, and if a matriarchal society happens to a central focus of the story it's likely to be elected the trainwreck d'jour... but this probably calls for misandry, which calls for misogyny and machismo to save the day, and somehow the misogynists just scored another point behind our backs plus we in the audience may get tempted to read things in that might not have been intended. Maybe the best we can take away from something like that really is to see how us guys like being treated like that (good point), not make the ladies have to actually take over the world and turn us into minions just to prove the point, and to recognize that such stories may well be progressive for their time provided they're taken that way? However Prison in Space goes, I'm guessing it can't be worse than a lot of things including a certain typically progressive STNG having a go at a similar theme and probably doing no better for absolute clarity, even that many years later?
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Post by Ela on Aug 25, 2016 5:09:01 GMT
Really? Data doesn't seem to back that up. Yes it is data that backs it up but what it doesn't explain is all the variables. Full time is a minimum of 40 hours. It still doesn't take into account variables of sick days, hours worked and simple variables of different companies paying different wages. Here's a video explaining why it is not a real problem much more eloquently than I could: youtu.be/58arQIr882wYou're using a video from a conservative think tank as evidence? Sorry, that's not an unbiased source.
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